U.S Election 2004

[trenzterra]

Current Results:

Bush: 102
Kerry: 77

Few more hours to go...

9.00PM polls closing...

[jmiller]

Thanks, because you know having these facts readily available on the internet, radio, and television just wasn't enough. :P

[trenzterra]

Sure they weren't enough...

Bush: 155
Kerry: 112

[trenzterra]

Bush: 170
Kerry: 112

[MATRIX]

Hmm, I smell a Bush guy comming for your pancakes next year....

[notnamed]

First of all, those numbers are projections. We won't have the official numbers until tomorrow or later.
Second:


9.00PM polls closing...

Polls close at different times in different areas. The polls around here were open from 6:00AM to 6:00PM (if you got in line at 6:00PM though they'll still let you vote most places. It's happened a lot actually.)

[trenzterra]

First of all, those numbers are projections. We won't have the official numbers until tomorrow or later.
Second:

Polls close at different times in different areas. The polls around here were open from 6:00AM to 6:00PM (if you got in line at 6:00PM though they'll still let you vote most places. It's happened a lot actually.)
Yeah, I said polls that close at 9PM are closing...

Likewise, 10PM polls are closing in 15 minutes.

It's still a tight race though.

[tandoc]

Go back to sleep the lot of you. Wake up when all hell has broken loose (election results announced).

[trenzterra]

Go back to sleep the lot of you. Wake up when all hell has broken loose (election results announced).
It's 10.58am here.

[trenzterra]

Bush: 182
Kerry: 112

[trenzterra]

Bush: 197
Kerry: 188

[tandoc]

It's 10.58am here.

you should NEVER wake up before midday on the holidays

[LeX]

I doubt he's on holiday.

[ADD]
Then again, maybe he is... Singapore's education system is really weird.

[tandoc]

I was talking to him on MSN before, he is on holiday. (I think .___. )

[Nick]

I'm going to win.

That's my birthday present, I become president of the country today.

[trenzterra]

Bush: 234 (with Florida)
Kerry: 188

[trenzterra]

I doubt he's on holiday.

[ADD]
Then again, maybe he is... Singapore's education system is really weird.
I am, until 3rd January 2005.

I can't sleep more than 9 hours...

[Peo]

Hey... Happy birthday Nick! :birthday:

[trenzterra]

Bush: 249
Kerry: 200

[trenzterra]

Gap closing in Ohio...

Bush: 249
Kerry: 211

[tandoc]

go to sleep, i'm still asleep, and I had 2 exams this morning, both of which i slept through.

[trenzterra]

Bush: 249
Kerry: 242

[Conscript]

Bush wins.

He has 269 secured with a few more states headed his way.

BUSH HAS WON FOLKS.

Some will raise hell about Ohio, but trust me, Ohio ain't Florida 2000 repeat. In Florida in 2000 there was a 500 vote margin of victory. That is TINY. In Ohio right now there is a 130,000 vote margin, that's 2 full percent. Kerry would need about 85% to 90% of the provisional ballots and absentee ballots to win, which just ain't going to happen.

BUSH IS RE-ELECTED.

[Blank Verse]

I've heard this 269 thing, but seriously, where has this been reported...everywhere I look still says 249 to 242...I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just want to see something official.

[trenzterra]

Bush wins.

He has 269 secured with a few more states headed his way.

BUSH HAS WON FOLKS.

Some will raise hell about Ohio, but trust me, Ohio ain't Florida 2000 repeat. In Florida in 2000 there was a 500 vote margin of victory. That is TINY. In Ohio right now there is a 130,000 vote margin, that's 2 full percent. Kerry would need about 85% to 90% of the provisional ballots and absentee ballots to win, which just ain't going to happen.

BUSH IS RE-ELECTED.
Technically nobody wins yet unless one concedes.

[Toefur]

Go Bush!

[bozley05]

I've heard this 269 thing, but seriously, where has this been reported...everywhere I look still says 249 to 242...I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just want to see something official.

http://www.msnbc.com/

Bush: 269
Kerry: 238
In Doubt: 31

It is over, hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations George!!

[trenzterra]

http://www.msnbc.com/

Bush: 269
Kerry: 238
In Doubt: 31

It is over, hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations George!!
It's not over, Ohio still has absentee votes not counted in yet. CNN, afraid of the next Florida, gave a more conservative rating of 254-252. Ohio is crucial right now, although it will most likely go to Bush.

[bozley05]

CNN: BUSH CAMP CLAIMS VICTORY

Give it up dude, the only thing stopping Bush from making a victory speech is Kerry holding off conceding.

[Mattikal]

Credit: The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk)


Published Wednesday 3rd November 2004 10:22 GMT

Americans and many people abroad were no doubt hoping for a decisive victory in the presidential election. Sadly, this is not to be. There are delays in both Ohio and Iowa, and these may extend for as long as ten days, and possibly longer still.

At this writing, Bush is ahead 249 to 242. Ohio's 20 electoral votes would guarantee Bush a win, or put Kerry back into the race. However, Bush leads in Ohio by over 130,000 votes with 99 per cent of precincts reporting, which certainly sounds like a victory - only the Democrats have refused to concede it.



According to the Democrats, Ohio has over 170,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted, and these, the Party predicts, will be almost entirely for Kerry.

Early Wednesday morning, Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards announced that the Democrats would "make sure that every vote counts, and that every vote is counted."

Thus it's clear that the lawyers will be taking over on Wednesday. While the provisional ballots will not likely give Kerry a victory, they might narrow the margin of victory enough for a re-count.

If the margin of victory is less than 1/4 of one per cent, Ohio law requires a re-count. This is what the Democrats are hoping for. A re-count will give them the opportunity to challenge thousands of ballots for Bush, and, with luck, get enough of them thrown out to give the state to Kerry.

If Bush wins enough electoral votes to win the election without Ohio, the Democrats will obviously abandon this scheme. (We should know if that is so within two or three days.) But if Ohio becomes crucial to Bush, the Kerry camp will do whatever it can to force a re-count, and then the lawyers on both sides will descend like locusts to fight over every ballot, in a process that might go on for weeks.

We should mention that the vast majority of Ohio voters use the punch-card ballots that created such a mess in Florida in 2000. Chads, both hanging and pregnant, may well dominate the headlines again.

It may take eight to ten days for Ohio to finish counting the provisional ballots. But that will be just the beginning if the process narrows the margin of victory enough to force a re-count, as the Democrats hope.

Additionally, there are problems with optical scan machines in Iowa, and these may not be fixed until Wednesday afternoon. Iowa is close, and may not be decided until absentee and provisional ballots have been counted. Provisional ballots will not be counted until Thursday.
Exit polls

On Tuesday we predicted a decisive Kerry victory. Early exit polls showed a strong lead for Kerry in Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. We calculated that if he got those four Eastern battleground states early, he would run the table.

But the polls were off the mark. Kerry did win New Hampshire, which Bush won in 2000, and Pennsylvania, which Bush lost previously but fought hard for this time, but Kerry lost Florida early, and seems to have lost Ohio. And even if he pulls it out of his hat, he didn't get the decisive early win that he would have needed to create the momentum for an electoral landslide.

Perhaps that's for the best. Bush has an impressive lead in the popular vote, and it's always better for the president to win both. Losing the popular vote in 2000 raised doubts about his legitimacy among many Democrats, and the Supreme Court's interference in the Florida re-count made the situation worse. If Bush wins both votes this time around, Democrats won't be able to whine that he's not really the president. On the other hand, if Kerry does get off the respirator, but loses the popular vote, he will be dogged by the same doubts that plagued Bush throughout his first term.

[tandoc]

I can imagine Bush taunting Kerry about his soon-to-be win.

"Hey Kerry, why the long face?"

BAHAHAhA, I'M A GENIUS.

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[trenzterra]

CNN: BUSH CAMP CLAIMS VICTORY

Give it up dude, the only thing stopping Bush from making a victory speech is Kerry holding off conceding.
I know the Bush camp has most likely won, but miracles can happen.

And since when The Register became such a news source ;).

[Nick]

I hate both of them, so I don't really care who is in office, but would it really be smart to change leaders while we're in the middle of a war?

[Daniel]

I hate both of them, so I don't really care who is in office, but would it really be smart to change leaders while we're in the middle of a war?

Did the US ever actually declare war in the first place? I know they mobilized the armies, but was an actual declaration of war passed through Congress?

As far as know, the US did declare war on Terrorism, but that's a vague term.

[notnamed]

Congress did authorize Bush to use "military force" in Iraq.

[stabme]

i don't really consider winning by just about 1% a significant 'victory.' at all.

i do think kerry seems to be the winner here for doing the respectable and honourable thing and preventing a huge mess to ensue..

but im not sure why america did such a thing. so this goes to my other opinion: in this election, america lost.

[Archbob]

but im not sure why america did such a thing. so this goes to my other opinion: in this election, america lost.

Because America likes an incompetant president who carries a big stick and who has no diplomatic skill whatsoever.

[Nick]

It's not that we like it, it's just that when both canidates are incompetant morons who lack diplomatic skill, it makes it kind of rough to break away from that.

[Fuzzylogic]

Its a sad day for world really, again the american people choose to let an idiot run the country for a third term whom despite has lied to the people over and over again and has done absolutely nothing to stop terrorism but instead to go to a war that had nothing to do with terrorism and more do with getting back at an old enemie.

I'm really losted for words this time around, i though of lots of abuse but really the electon is over and really why bother. I guess only albert enisten know better;

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein

and again the american people have proven him right again. :cry2:

[notnamed]

let an idiot run the country for a third term

At least insult him PROPERLY. It's only his second term.

NADER!

[Curtis H.]

Its a sad day for world really, again the american people choose to let an idiot run the country
It's our country. Our vote. Do you even support your own leader? Is he an idiot also? Are you an idiot?

[Fuzzylogic]

i don't think you quite get the whole picture. what the US does in the world has a real effect elsewhere in the world. It may come as a real eye opener for some but we all share this little planet called earth and the US being so big (as a world power) needs to take time to consider what is does instead of always going in and finding out the consquences later.
As for my own leader, i support him for the good work he has done for the country, he certainly has done some bad things like all people but all up isn't all that bad.
Curtis i would in future just learn to live with criticism, yes bush is an idoit, you like everyone else will have to live with that some day. If he'd been the president of some other country then it wouldn't be such a problem but what he does has far reaching consquences as i mentioned above.

[tandoc]

I don't think you have the whole picture.

It's what the majority wanted, it just so happens that those who didn't win are the most ----ing noisy about it.

[bozley05]

America had a real tough decision, elect an idiot or a [d]ick[h]ead, a lose-lose situation really. I'm glad they voted the idiot in.

He gets support from our Prime Minister, so that is enough for me to support him, as the only thing stopping me from being a member of the party I support (Liberal) is that I am an employee of the Australian Electoral Commission and am ineligble to work if I have a party affiliation. So anything Liberal supports, I do (including Bush). Plus I'm for freeing the Iraqi's, a torture-free future is awaiting them.

[tandoc]

I'm all for Western society maintaining its way of life.

D:

[Dean]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/election2004.jsp?feature=ne_election5
Right click on the pic of george bush and his wife and go to properties :)

[Blank Verse]

what's wrong with it?

[Conscript]

CNN starting naming their pics of Bush as "-------.jpg" and "moron.jpg".

Of course the press is unbiased.

I am glad to see the left lose. After all they put into Michael Moore, the Clarke book, the commission, and all these things - this HATRED of conservatives and Bush - they threw in this election it is a GREAT DAY to see it all FAIL.

All the Dems have to show for their "unperecedented effort" and "energized base" is Barack Obama in Illinois who was a shoo in and a Conservative Democrat Salazar in Colorado.

The most rewarding part is seeing the depression and anger on the democrats side. My poly sci teacher in class had tears in her eyes. That was the best. The left was so out of touch with reality that they thought since they hate Bush everyone else does too.

I love it!

[notnamed]

CNN starting naming their pics of Bush as "-------.jpg" and "moron.jpg".

Of course the press is unbiased.

Must have been some irate webmonkey, it's back to something like "laurabush135.jpg" or something now.

[bozley05]

Of course the press is unbiased.

To be fair, it does work both ways though, look at the murdoch media co's, ie. Fox news... I do believe we need more pro right-wing press though.

And celebrities, where do they get off telling people who to vote for? The average celebrity (especially musicians *cough* Rock Against Bush HAHAHA *cough*) would probably have 1/5 of the IQ of the average citizen. This comes straight from Chris Isaaks mouth, what a legend he is.

All you Demo's, you should be happy, coz now you can hear "intelligent" actors tell you why Bush is bad for another 4 years. And buy more "great" activism CD's like Greenday's new one or Rock Against Bush.

HAHA. Anyways, I'm spent.

[Yahpoolerz]

At the voting polls in North Carolina, there were only like 2 or 3 people with Kerry signs, the hundred rest had Bush Cheney signs.

*most likely the opposite in California
lol

GO BUSH!!!

[stabme]

it is a GREAT DAY to see it all FAIL.

....

The most rewarding part is seeing the depression and anger on the democrats side. My poly sci teacher in class had tears in her eyes. That was the best.the people who run the nation, everyone!

anywho, should anyone refute to the 'the left are out of touch with society' by pointing out to the right's tendency to be overly religious and base decisions from religion, and whatnot, and believing homosexuality to be a lifestyle, not a nature issue, and so deny these people their natural rights (discouraging them, blocking their rights of living like a normal human, and ostracizing them just because they were born a certain way..?)...

[stabme]

To be fair, it does work both ways though, look at the murdoch media co's, ie. Fox news... I do believe we need more pro right-wing press though.how about an OBJECTIVE press?

oh, the irony. someone preaching 'intelligence' and the intelligence of someone when they... err.. well i won't point out explicitely why it's ironic, because that's mean, and maybe a personal attack. :rolleyes:


anywho, since you mention intelligence:

1. Massachusetts - kerry
2. Connecticut - kerry
3. Vermont - kerry
4. New Jersey - kerry
5. Wisconsin - kerry
6. New York - kerry
7. Minnesota - kerry
8. Iowa - undecided*
9. Pennsylvania - kerry
10. Montana- bush
11. Maine - kerry
12. Virginia - bush
13. Nebraska- bush
14. New Hampshire - kerry
15. Kansas - bush
16. Wyoming - bush
17. Indiana - bush
18. Maryland - kerry
19. North Dakota - bush
20. Ohio *
21. Colorado - bush
22. South Dakota - bush
23. Rhode Island - kerry
24. Illinois - kerry
25. North Carolina - bush
26. Missouri - bush
27. Delaware - kerry
28. Utah - bush
29. Idaho - bush
30. Washington - kerry
31. Michigan - kerry
32. South Carolina - bush
33. Texas and West Virginia (tie) - bush
35. Oregon - bush
36. Arkansas - bush
37. Kentucky - bush
38. Georgia - bush
39. Florida - bush
40. Oklahoma - bush
41. Tennessee - bush
42. Hawaii - kerry
43. California - kerry
44. Alabama - bush
45. Alaska - bush
46. Louisiana - bush
47. Mississippi - bush
48. Arizona - bush
49. Nevada - bush
50. New Mexico - bush
nope.. north carolina not too high...

in 2000:

State Avg. IQ 2000
1 Connecticut 113 Gore
2 Massachusetts 111 Gore
3 New Jersey 111 Gore
4 New York 109 Gore
5 Rhode Island 107 Gore
6 Hawaii 106 Gore
7 Maryland 105 Gore
8 New Hampshire 105 Bush
9 Illinois 104 Gore
10 Delaware 103 Gore
11 Minnesota 102 Gore
12 Vermont 102 Gore
13 Washington 102 Gore
14 California 101 Gore
15 Pennsylvania 101 Gore
16 Maine 100 Gore
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Gore
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 Gore
21 Michigan 99 Gore
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Gore
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Gore
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 Gore
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush
north carolina definitely not too high! look at california, where you say all the actors are. hmm...

[atlas]

The most rewarding part is seeing the depression and anger on the democrats side. My poly sci teacher in class had tears in her eyes. That was the best. The left was so out of touch with reality that they thought since they hate Bush everyone else does too.

I love it!

You enjoy seeing a divided country? You delight in someone's tears because they believe their country made a horrible mistake? Even if you think they are wrong, why would you take pleasure in that?

Have you ever considered that perhaps you're the one so out of touch with reality? Just because 51% of voters in the U.S. voted for Bush doesn't mean they are "in touch."

Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program.

Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission.

(from a study conducted in October 2004)
Reference: http://pipa.org/

[Daniel]

I believe this is going to eventually lead into a civil war of sorts.

Capitalism...pffft.

[Fuzzylogic]

I believe this is going to eventually lead into a civil war of sorts.

Capitalism...pffft.
HEY! i'll support that. It would solve lots of problems. They wouldn't interfer with other countries affairs for starters. So americans continues arguing amoung yourselves and keep the world safe :P [/sarcasm]

[Conscript]

You enjoy seeing a divided country? You delight in someone's tears because they believe their country made a horrible mistake?

Absolutley and the reason is the way they went about this whole election. They ran a campaign of hate and conspiracy theories. Despite bin Laden now admitting that he did 9/11 there are still some kooks who think it was an inside job.

They ran on fear and hate. Their entire last year was focused on hating conservatives and hating Bush. Liberals were just so mean spirited that they deserved to lose. From the lies of Michael Moore's new movie to the forged papers from the national guard, to the partisanship of the 9/11 commission to the 60 minutes "anti-Bush book of the month club" it ALL FAILED.

Libs deserved to lose for being so mean spirited, for lying, for distorting, for HATING. That's why its so sweet to see them lose after they've invested so much emotion, lies, and hatred into this campaign.

[stabme]

you can't tell me that the bush campaigns weren't mean spirited, weren't attempting to spawn hatred towards kerry or democrats, haven't lied, haven't distorbed information (and they have, insanely; so many people still think there are wmds in iraq and saddam had connections to al qaeda; or, say, kerry's 'flip flops', another set of lies); you cant say that his administration hasn't lied or denied things to the american people (ie., holding back 9/11 report because it might be embarassing for the administration?)

here's an example: just a few days before the election, the republican campaign set off recordign messages calling random houses to 'vote for kerry so gay marraige can be achieved,' or bush campaigners out in the streets with signs supporting gay marriage, a long with a kerry/edwards sign, or 'pro-life! pro abortion!' sign along with kerry/edwards. that isn't distorting, hating, unfair? seems to me it is.

why don't you just come to terms and say BOTH sides were 'equally dirty'?

[notnamed]

so many people still think there are wmds in iraq

Those explosives are, what... weapons of not a lot of destruction?


kerry's 'flip flops', another set of lies

Show me.


why don't you just come to terms and say BOTH sides were 'equally dirty'?

I do agree with you there. This was a dirty election. Even on the local level, every other commercial was for this one race, and they were ALL smear campaigns.

[Dean]

http://www.homle.com/aer/2004election_by_iq.png

[Conscript]

Of course the blue states are going to have higher IQs on average because a lot more people a) take IQ tests and b) all the Ivy league schools are there.

I'd also question the methology of how these stats are taken, even though they're all barley a few points apart.

The higher educated people are the more liberal they are, but not for the reasons you think. It's because once you're reaching the doctorate or masters level you start learning and relying on theories a lot more than practice. In theory liberalism sounds good, much like communism, but in reality they don't work. But when you're on such a high level in academia practicality is less important than the theory - which liberalism sounds much better in.

Academia is far out of touch with reality though. That's why they're so far left. If academia represented the views of americans and reality you'd think that half the country was socialist. But its not because socialism doesn't work - but it doesn't have to to survive on a college campus because the theory is more important than the reality.

[trenzterra]

Just wondering, is Chicago part of Illinois?

[jmiller]

Just wondering, is Chicago part of Illinois?Indeed it is, Trenzterra.

[Conscript]

Yes, Chicago is the only reason Illinois is a blue state. Republicans do very well in every part of the state except Cook County (that encompasses Chicago) where the Dems get like 80%.

Edit: If you look at the vote margins in Blue States Republicans generally do better in them than Democrats do in Red States. For example even in California and Illinois Bush got 44-45% of the Vote, whereas in the largest Red State - Texas - Kerry only got 38%.

Not counting DC, the worst Bush did this election is 37% (in Massachussets), where as Kerry got at or below 30% in a few states (Wyoming - 29%, Utah - 26%, Idaho - 30%).

Red States are in many cases a bright solid red, where as many Blue states are a little less solid blue.

Interesting side note, the 3rd state on that list, New Jersey, which Gore won by 16 points, went to Kerry by only a 52-46 (6 point) margin. Bush's increasing margins even in "blue states" is more proof of a Republican trend in the country and the realignment that has occured. (Many other states have shown gains for Bush as well, though NJ is probably the most dramatic, where as I am not aware of Kerry making any significant inroads into solid Red states.)