Do you use Warez/cracks?

[Ozy]

In the US they estimate that almost 50% of computers have illigal Software. In Russia is about 90% and in Vietnam over 97%.
(this numbers are not accurate, I've seen them in a newspaper several months ago, but I really doubt the can actully mesure this)
So, do use warez????

[gyrbo]

I voted the last. How the hell do ya people think a 13 year old can pay for Dreamweaver 4 and flash 5 + PSP7???

[Ozy]

I am 10 yeras older than you and I still vote for the last option...
Am I a criminal?

[martian]

Originally posted by gyrbo
I voted the last. How the hell do ya people think a 13 year old can pay for Dreamweaver 4 and flash 5 + PSP7???

I think that's the problem... most webmasters can't afford programs like Flash,... it's not fair... how can webmasters learn to work with the programs if they cannot try them?

[Bruce]

Well, macromedia does have trials. Not like I would ever need any trial software though...

[niv]

well, if you're desperate, you could keep deleting the cookies and the stuff in the registry for the macromedia trials and install them again, but that would be a pain in the a**. i work for my school's administration and the tech departments so i dont pay a cent for software that costs $700-6000 dollars

[Johnny]

Originally posted by Ozy
In the US they estimate that almost 50% of computers have illigal Software. In Russia is about 90% and in Vietnam over 97%.
(this numbers are not accurate, I've seen them in a newspaper several months ago, but I really doubt the can actully mesure this)
So, do use warez????

I didn't knwo that Vietnam has many internet users.. as far as i know.. they are even poorer than china.

BTW I have over a quarter million dollar worth of cgi scripts.. But i don' tuse many I only use the popular ones. And i have lots of programs like adobe, corel, studio max. I never pay for them.. cause they cost to much.. these company only make money from schools.. cause school have to register ever software, for ever computer.. if a school have 500 computers and all of them have adobe photo shop that is like 500 x$600= 30,000. And times that with all those thousand of schools.

[Gayowulf]

I dont bother with warez because my connection is so slow. on occasion i will use a keygen so all my trial shareware doesnt run out. sometimes i am able to fit under my workplace's licence agreement too.

[Canuckkev]

Here's my defense for voting for the last option:

By stealing software over the internet, who gets hurt? No one has to pay to publish it. A store doesn't loose money. It makes no difference to the company if I steal their software, or not use it. None of the illegal software I have/use I would actually pay for. $5000 for 3DS Max 4 and Character Studio? I don't even have $5000, and if I did, I would never spend it on one piece of software. If however, someone was considering purchasing, then downloads it for free, that is really bad. If you like and use the software, and you steal it, chances are the company won't be able to keep making the great software for no money.

Yes, I am a bastard. What I do is wrong. Will I stop? No.

[atlas]

Solution: Run linux and use open source software :)

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Johnny
these company only make money from schools.. cause school have to register ever software, for ever computer..
Well, that isn't actually true at my school. At my school they buy one copy of every program and then install it on every computer.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
I dont bother with warez because my connection is so slow. on occasion i will use a keygen so all my trial shareware doesnt run out. sometimes i am able to fit under my workplace's licence agreement too.
my 56k modem hasn't stopped me

[bigperm]

I can never find it...

[lucifer]

Originally posted by bigperm
I can never find it...
you serious :confused:

[bigperm]

Yeah... all I get is a lot of pop-ups and stuff... so if anybody want to email me... ihadaboutfour@aol.com

[Johnny]

Originally posted by Phrozen

Well, that isn't actually true at my school. At my school they buy one copy of every program and then install it on every computer.

Then you school is cheating out of the board of ed. cause that is illegal.. thats why my school bought the licience in like groups of 500 to save more money.

Unless the computer is using the program from the master computer.. other than that.. each computer in the school must have its own license or its illegal

[Bruce]

yeah i know its illegal, but thats just the way it is at my school. they actually install the programs on every computer. they have like every program you could ever imagine on there too. from visual studio to photoshop, flash, fireworks, the list goes on for ever.

[Coolin]

Wow... I never knew warez was that popular...

[Ozy]

Actually i think the big companies like Macromedia, Adobe, Microsoft etc, should give their programs for free to high schools and colleges. This way everybody will learn their programs and will probably stick to them in the future, making them popular and forcing big companies (that will pay a lot) to use them too.
Imagine if there was no way to optain Photoshop for free. Almost nobody would have it (since its so expensive) and companies that use it should pay money to train their emploees for it. If you add this training to the cost of the program itself, then many of the companies would try to find cheaper alternatives.
So i don't think big companies should be very bothered from students using their software for mainly learning purposes for free.

[Ted S]

Educational prices are extremely cheap. I purchased a copy of Windows 2000 Advanced Server for $400 a few months ago, retail is close to 3000 and that's just for a student discount. When schools buy software, especially in bulk, they get it for pennies on the dollar -- companies like Macromedia, which is extremely pro-education, sells its software at an amazing rate.

While I can see a million reasons for pirating software and I certainly have pirated my fair share, none of them are ok. Certainly a 13 yearold web designer cant afford Flash but with an educational discount, that 13 yearold just needs to find a few clients, build a few sites and Flash is easily acquired. No matter what the excuse, morally you are still taking someone's product. Most of us probably don't work for software development companies so that’s ok.... after all, I doubt Adobe will notice if I don't buy Photoshop and a million other people do.

However, this idea fails in every arena. When you drive down the street, you don't (or at least I hope you don't) decide to not break, not stop and speed down the street because most everyone else will stay out of your way. You don't walk into a store like Albertsons and take an orange, an apple and every other small item you like because someone else will pay.

The Internet simply allows people to get away with stealing and in the end, it doesn't matter where you steal from, you're still stealing. I'm not saying don't pirate, I'm simply saying that if you like a program and can afford it, buy it. If you can't afford it, what I say isn't going to stop you from taking it, but at least think about it. While companies like Adobe may seem very distant, most software companies are not giants and are effected by piracy. With the economic downtrend, taking software left and right does have an effect of companies as they do need money and while Adobe's CEO may never care, Joe Bloggs who use to sort mail for Adobe until they downsized does care that your decision not to pay helped him loose his job.

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by Phrozen

my 56k modem hasn't stopped me

twice as fast as mine ;)

Besides, i cant think of any high priced software that i could use to its fullest ability. I find a lot of cheap shareware does the job

[Todd]

Somewhat I can't help but agree that in most cases the company isn't getting hurt. Most of you guys probably wouldn't have bought the software anyway as you said and are probably learning it for yourself more then anything and eventually you may get a job working with that software where the business paid for the copy of the software. That's if you got it from a downloadable site or something of that nature but if you actually stole a physical product that costed them money then that's petty larceny (in most cases) and you should be prosecuted.

If a business is using pirated software they should be reported, if a personal user is using it and is offering web design where they are making a profit from using the program they should pay for it or be charged for criminal activity.

I think it's illegal and in most cases their should be some form of punishment unless the person obviously wouldn't have bought it in the first place, they were using it for their own use in order to learn it for self education, they weren't redistributing it illegally, and they aren't publishing their work with something they did with an illegal program.

Am I to idealistic? Absolutely, when warez is the #3 top searched for term on the entire Internet up there with mp3 and sex you know that a lot of businesses and people are making money by using illegal software. A local designer here once said that he was shocked at how many places of businesses used illegal software, and they always explained themselves by saying the company wouldn't have bought it for me anyway.

I'm probably the only one on the board who thinks like that though. :) Atlas had the right idea about open source though. I know a few talented people that could use gimp and beat anything that Photoshop could produce because they were so used to gimp.

[Giancarlo]

I buy all my games in respect for the software developers, I don't like ripping people off. ;)

[LastActionHero]

I can get any CD filled with warez for $2-$4 here. But usually I download from IRC or I download shareware then use the cracks. There must be atleast some 100,000 crack sites.

[Synergy]

You guys got it all wrong.....

Software like 3d Studio max are aimed on profiting from Companies, not individuals. Ever since warez started, companies raise their prices alot to gain back the profit from companies who buy their licenses.

My concept:

software thats only worth $50 software

10 illegal users = $500 of loss
2 licensed business user = $100 gain
= $400.00 of loss

now:

software that really worth 50 bucks but charged at $500
10 illegal users = $500.00
2 licensed business users = $$1000.00

Well thats what I came up with.....

If I were to be a developing company, I will assume that everyone will aim for a warez version of my product therefore I will raise prices so high that the corporate people to pay more! I dunno I think I'm wrong. BUt o wellz

[}:8) Supermoo]

Originally posted by Todd
I'm probably the only one on the board who thinks like that though. :) Atlas had the right idea about open source though. I know a few talented people that could use gimp and beat anything that Photoshop could produce because they were so used to gimp.

Not quite sure about that Todd...


Originally posted by }:8) Supermoo (01-03-2001 10:48 AM) (http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10252#post10252)
Hehe, long live freebies, long live open source freebies, long live linux! ;) had to do it, again!

As for piracy the thing I hate about it, is the following is claimed illegal;


"If I was never going to buy it, why is it illegal to have a copy?"

As long as you buy software etc. that you actually use I personaly don't see what's wrong with pirating a bit of software. If you were never going to buy them in the first place, you are not depriving anyone of their 'rightful income'. Are you?

As well as the fact that's illegal to copy a CD to MP3 on your computer, then destroying the CD is still illegal!

It's not my fault I like to have a large playlist of different music and only have one CD-ROM drive!

I was never going to buy another copy, so what makes it wrong?

Legal Note: Of course Supermoo would never do anything illegal, that would be illegal! And he dosen't approve of illegal activities. At All. Infact this whole text was a pathetic attempt at immitating someone in a fantasy of his. Please do not take any of the advise seriously, excluding legal notification. Thankyou.

[WorldWarGeneral]

Originally posted by lastactionhero
I can get any CD filled with warez for $2-$4 here. But usually I download from IRC or I download shareware then use the cracks. There must be atleast some 100,000 crack sites.

I've seen offers for these CD's online, but I didn't want to give them my credit card number. I don't have a whole lot of trust in a company that has banners for "live nude teens" plastered all over their site.

But you've found some that are legit? Which site?

And I guess I'll have to choose the 3rd option in the poll. My 56k connection takes too long to download programs like Photoshop. But I have downloaded and cracked programs like Dreamweaver. But I don't feel bad about it. Like many said before, I wouldn't have spent hundreds of dollars for the program anyway.

[Ozy]

MAybe he is not talking about a site but places in his city. When I went to Russia (Moscow) they had shops all over the place selling CDs with whatever you wanted for one and a half dollar :)
(And this shops were not hidden or anything ... they were in the midle of central places, you can't miss them if you go to Moscow)

[WorldWarGeneral]

Originally posted by Ozy
MAybe he is not talking about a site but places in his city. When I went to Russia (Moscow) they had shops all over the place selling CDs with whatever you wanted for one and a half dollar :)
(And this shops were not hidden or anything ... they were in the midle of central places, you can't miss them if you go to Moscow)

I suppose that could be it. Kind of like all the people that wander around Washington D.C. selling "real" watches, expensive sun glasses, etc. Their main selling argument was "They're completly legal, no one will know." lol. :D I did buy a watch though...

[niv]

try new york. they're everywhere near wall street and all the way uptown up to about 36th street. who wants a genuine rodex?

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Ozy
MAybe he is not talking about a site but places in his city. When I went to Russia (Moscow) they had shops all over the place selling CDs with whatever you wanted for one and a half dollar :)
(And this shops were not hidden or anything ... they were in the midle of central places, you can't miss them if you go to Moscow)

Yeah I'am talking about my city. There is this huge market place which has nothing but Computer related stuff. There are lines of computer vendors, software reseller. You can buy anything ,hardware or software(genuine or warez) there. Ironically Microsoft's headquaters is just located opposite the building which mainly houses pirated software sellers.

[niv]

LMAO

[LeX]

Originally posted by Johnny
these company only make money from schools.. cause school have to register ever software, for ever computer.. if a school have 500 computers and all of them have adobe photo shop that is like 500 x$600= 30,000. And times that with all those thousand of schools.
*lol* Is this true? From what I've seen, all the registration numbers on all the copies of all the software including Windows on all the computers at my school are exactly the same. The reg code of their Windows and Word is actually the same as the one on my computer!! :D Believe it - or don't! I'm serious!!!

BTW, only a fool would pay $30+ for a piece of software. I don't care how well they programmed the software, how hard the programmers worked on the software, how much the company invested into the software - it simply isn't worth that much.

If Adobe only charged say $5 for Photoshop, then I would definitely pay them the money for the software to encourage them to make improvements and ----. (if I have enough money :p) But there is no way I'm coughing up hundreds for that!!!

[Giancarlo]

One of my friends went to Bejing and got Microsoft Office 2000 or something for $1 on a CDR, completely pirated but the Chinese Government has strict rules against it I think. This problem will never get solved because it is impossible in controlling it.

[WorldWarGeneral]

I guess getting warez on CD's is the best way to go. It's hard to find decent sites that offer more than blind links and porn. That and my 56k connection takes forever to download programs of any size. Wish there was one of those software markets anywhere near me. :(

[LeX]

Oh, yeah, I bought one of those CDRs too for around 3 dollars. It was loaded with the latest appz. :D Naughty me.... :p

[stu]

Originally posted by Johnny
these company only make money from schools.. cause school have to register ever software, for ever computer.. if a school have 500 computers and all of them have adobe photo shop that is like 500 x$600= 30,000. And times that with all those thousand of schools.



Corporate sales make up the a larger profit than educational sales. Say you got a company with 20,000 employees, they're not going to pass around a CD and install it on each computer. They will install software using a network based installation, where a licensing system will handle the proper registration of each installation.


Originally posted by LeX

BTW, only a fool would pay $30+ for a piece of software. I don't care how well they programmed the software, how hard the programmers worked on the software, how much the company invested into the software - it simply isn't worth that much.

If Adobe only charged say $5 for Photoshop, then I would definitely pay them the money for the software to encourage them to make improvements and ----. (if I have enough money :p) But there is no way I'm coughing up hundreds for that!!!

Maybe you don't realize it, but some software dev teams are huge. Companies have to charge the appropriate price to cover development, research, and pocket money for themselves to help for company growth. Not to mention that the most expensive software suites are targeted to corporate users.

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by Ted Sindzinski

The Internet simply allows people to get away with stealing and in the end, it doesn't matter where you steal from, you're still stealing. I'm not saying don't pirate, I'm simply saying that if you like a program and can afford it, buy it. If you can't afford it, what I say isn't going to stop you from taking it, but at least think about it. While companies like Adobe may seem very distant, most software companies are not giants and are effected by piracy. With the economic downtrend, taking software left and right does have an effect of companies as they do need money and while Adobe's CEO may never care, Joe Bloggs who use to sort mail for Adobe until they downsized does care that your decision not to pay helped him loose his job.

Warez was around well before the internet. I was heavily into the BBS scene here in Phoenix, back in the days, and if you knew the right people there were many many boards out there jam-packed with all the latest and greatest software.... Of course it was easier back then because CD-ROM's were not out yet and most program installs would fit on about 5 or 6 floppies. It was also easier to get busted back then because everything was hosted on your own computer, on your phone lines, etc. etc....

[Johnny]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I buy all my games in respect for the software developers, I don't like ripping people off. ;)
What do you expect your daddy is rich.. I have to download all my games I have over 300 ISO, and around 9/10 of the game sucks.. so I don't knwo why you would spend you money on a game that suck.. like the game x-plane, oil tycoon, those 2 games suck like crazy, and looks like created by amaturs but they still sell them for $40 a pieace at the store.. So why buy a game when its free.

[Johnny]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
One of my friends went to Bejing and got Microsoft Office 2000 or something for $1 on a CDR, completely pirated but the Chinese Government has strict rules against it I think. This problem will never get solved because it is impossible in controlling it.

That is ture my friend to when to HK, which is own by china and buys any kind of game you can think of for $3. Cause the goverment there don't do much to control it.. In the US. they start cracking down on ppl who sell bootleg cds now.. But they find other ways to sell it.

[Todd]

BTW, only a fool would pay $30+ for a piece of software. I don't care how well they programmed the software, how hard the programmers worked on the software, how much the company invested into the software - it simply isn't worth that much.
Your kidding me right? Do realize how much work goes in to programs like Photoshop or even a game like Quake? Go to Best Buy or Circuit City and look at the shelves, apart from Color it Clip Art (made up title) you won't find anything for $30. Heck, even this forum wouldn't be here if there weren't people that were honest and paid for software that they knew was worth it.

Stu, is completely accurate when he says they won't be buying 500 licenses for Photoshop. They would work out an agreement for a network installation as he said, and who would have 500 graphic designers hired? There aren't many that's for sure...

[Synergy]

Well I pay for my games but not most of it....

for PC:
I payed for QUake 3, Tribes 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2... Why? BEcause I need a Unique CDKEY to play online.

for PSX:
I never payed for a single game because they all suck! I just get a free copy from my friends after they buy it. Sometimes they rent it from Blockbuster and you know what happens ;)

for DC:
The only game i bought is phantasy online to play it online along with a cdkey lol..... Well all the others are bootleg ISOs i downloaded from AOL.

[meow]

Are there only me and three others that are honest in this whole forum?!? :p

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by Synergy
Well I pay for my games but not most of it....

for PC:
I payed for QUake 3, Tribes 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2... Why? BEcause I need a Unique CDKEY to play online.

for PSX:
I never payed for a single game because they all suck! I just get a free copy from my friends after they buy it. Sometimes they rent it from Blockbuster and you know what happens ;)

for DC:
The only game i bought is phantasy online to play it online along with a cdkey lol..... Well all the others are bootleg ISOs i downloaded from AOL.

The only game I play anymore is High Heat Baseball 2000... Only cost me $10.00 because it was a year old when I bought it. :)

[Canuckkev]

What are you talking about. We are all honest. Honest bastards.

More on warez and stuff...

I find it really easy to find software. But for some things, like simple games and stuff, that are just 30 day trials, before I even try them, I go get a crack or S/N for it. Takes like 30 secs, so why not? So I try the game or prog, decide that is sucks, and delete in about 2 days. But if I were interested in the product, and payed for it, then decided it sucked, I would have wasted my money.

As for games, I had Quake 3 for a long time. It was awesome. But eventually my CD-KEY stopped working. I guess too many people were using the same key that I found someone posted on a message board. That is funny. They got screwed. Maybe they just thought that the one person who aksed for the CD-key would use it, and never guessed that forum page would be in the top 10 results in google for "Quake III:Arena CD-KEY". So, I eventually uninstalled Quake. Now I am thinking of buying it cause it was so much fun, and I want to play it again. Otherwise I would have not thought about buying it, cause I never played it.

Cracks sites are worse than warez though. They are small files, and plentiful. It is much easier to download a 30 day trial from the companies website, then get a tiny crack file and you're set. Like I said before, I know I am being a bastard, but when you can find ANY software you want if less than 5 mins, it's too easy not to get illegal programs.

[Giancarlo]

Hey Johnny Boy, I don't spend my money on games I haven't looked over. I look over the reviews of it on the internet then I purchase it if it is good.

[Synergy]

if they make all the games 10-20 dollars, i think more people will buy them....

[gyrbo]

I NEVER downloaded a game. I think it isn't fair. I would in fact play the game, even if I would needed to buy them.
Dreamweaver is just to expencive, if I wouldn't be capable of downloading it, I would still be using notepad and frontpage express+PSP5 demo. (Now I use DW and PSP7 demo, but I got the full)

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by Canuckkev
Cracks sites are worse than warez though. They are small files, and plentiful. It is much easier to download a 30 day trial from the companies website, then get a tiny crack file and you're set. Like I said before, I know I am being a bastard, but when you can find ANY software you want if less than 5 mins, it's too easy not to get illegal programs.

And... unlike warez... Cracks themselves are not illegal. Only the use of the is. So while hosts may have rules against them in their TOS, there is no legal recourse against someone who has/offers them.

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by Synergy
if they make all the games 10-20 dollars, i think more people will buy them....

I think the most I've ever paid for a game was $20.00. I don't play alot of games anyway, and it's not worth it to me to pay $40-50 just for a game that I'll probably eventually tire of anyway.

[coolguy23]

i never paid for a thing, infact my computer itself hasn't been paid for...lol j/k

seriously, my dad bought me my computer and it came with word and all that usual stuff, then i wanted to try photoshop because every one was saying it was good and all, so i left my 56k on overnight and downloaded the demo, then i though it was good and was looking for a crack, but couldn't find one, so i went to some message board and some guy gave me ps6 full version, and now i always go to that board if i need a program, when i get my new harddrive, i'm getting loads of movies and oppice xp :D

[LeX]

Originally posted by Todd

Your kidding me right? Do realize how much work goes in to programs like Photoshop or even a game like Quake? Go to Best Buy or Circuit City and look at the shelves, apart from Color it Clip Art (made up title) you won't find anything for $30. Heck, even this forum wouldn't be here if there weren't people that were honest and paid for software that they knew was worth it.

Well, it was just my opinion. I do realize how much time and effort and money the companies put into softwares, but I just don't think the price is fair. Seriously, I think paying $100+ for any forum is ridiculous. And there's a license fee that you have to pay annualy for this forum, right? Sheesh...

Maybe the companies never thought of this: If that charged only say $20, then much more people would go and buy their software then if they charged $100+ for it. I mean, more people can afford (and willing) to pay $20 than $100+... so in fact, lowering the price tag will actually increase their income, and they will sell more copies of their software.

[zazoo]

man it would be funny if the fbi stumbled across this forum... :rolleyes:

I understand warez are easy to get, and I have got warez myself, but no matter how you look at it, it's wrong. It's wrong to crack it, it's wrong to edit your regestry and then reinstall the demo, and its wrong to download the whole thing.

To say that its not illegal "if you wernt going to buy it anyways".. well would it be illegal if you were to walk into a store and steal an orange even though "you wernt going to buy it anyways"? Of course it would be. People just seem to have a differnt way of looking at things when there dealing with information.

however, there's anouther side to this story...

although numbers say that companies lose millions, I dont think its true. I think that they gain money when the software gains popularity from so many people using it. they may think that there losing money but that check is showing up from the people who saw others using the software and liked it

If you use software for any comercial use then you should buy it but whats the harm in using it for yourself?

[LeX]

Sure it's wrong... lots of things in life are "wrong", but does anybody care? Not really.

[Synergy]

Well i think people with DSL / Cable lines would most likely to be a warez junkie! :p

[stu]

Originally posted by LeX

Maybe the companies never thought of this: If that charged only say $20, then much more people would go and buy their software then if they charged $100+ for it. I mean, more people can afford (and willing) to pay $20 than $100+... so in fact, lowering the price tag will actually increase their income, and they will sell more copies of their software.

Sometimes that's true..heck i wish games were a lot cheaper. but not all software makes profit. Software companies have both their winning and losing products.. Some products have to priced to cover the losses of other losing products, as well as hundreds of different things like operational costs, etc.. Some products generate massive amounts of money, and some lose quite a bit as well. Usually those products are dumped, but some are believed to have some profit earning potential for the company so there is further need to invest into its development. In some situations, a profit losing product is supported to maintain satisfaction of a small customer base, but with the knowledge that that customer base would grow in the future. So sometimes there's a bit of market forecasting involved.

There's a lot of market issues involved, far beyond most of us realize. There's also a target price range some companies have to position their products in order to stay competitive and as well avoid price dumping to weed out the competition.

[d99janh]

Personally, I prefer to use freeware! :)

[zazoo]

Originally posted by d99janh
Personally, I prefer to use freeware! :)

I think nowadays its easier to get pirated software then freeware

[Neo_Mitochondrian]

Ok! I admit it!! I have been burning and selling software for about a year now!! I am so ashamed:( . Oh well. It is not too big of deal here in Germany. I remember one time, I was selling some "backup copies" at a local Flohmarkt when a cop came. I damn neared pissed my pants. Turns out cop only wanted a copy od Fireworks 3!!!! A cop!!! I give him policeman's discount and he got it for 1 USD. I also burn ROMs and sell. Imagine getting all your favorite SNES games on one disk for $9.99!!!!

[d99janh]

Originally posted by zazoo


I think nowadays its easier to get pirated software then freeware

Yes *and* no....
There are a few *really* good pages that lists freeware, the drawback is that sometimes you don´t find a freeware program that works (the way you want it to work anyway :D ).
The good thing about freeware is:

* Most freeware isn´t 50 mb+ like many pirated programs
* You don´t have to search for them at porn-banner-intensive
warez sites :)

[zazoo]

Originally posted by d99janh


* Most freeware isn´t 50 mb+ like many pirated programs
* You don´t have to search for them at porn-banner-intensive
warez sites :)

*Well I've got an ISDN line... could be DSL, what ever bell high speed is. Anways, size doesn't really matter to me if it were a huge file like a gb I could always set it up to go all night and in the morning it would be pretty much done (not that I would :o )

*the porn things true, I don't know why those guys have so much of that junk, mabe they get the most responce from that or somthing, I dunno

[Coolin]

Freeware is much easier to find.

Just go to www.download.com or www.hotfiles.com and they are probably all there.

[niv]

don't forget www.tucows.com ;)

[Coolin]

The two I listed has a wider selection :p

[meow]

I've heard TUCOWS is a good starting point if your next stop is Aslalavista. ;)

[zazoo]

I think you spelt it wrong but everyone will probably know what you ment

[kojiro]

Once I was really into Visual Basic and I wanted to download Version 6 but I just couldn't get pass the porn stuff.
They're everywhere. You click one link then 5 windows open up.

So for those who are thinking of downloading software from warez sites, its no picnic. So save yourself the trouble and buy the CD.

Here in my country, pirated CDs are even sold in large department stores. So, its really easy and cheap.

I can't really blame people who buy pirated CDs. It is just too damn expensive.

Maybe the software companies could give the so called third world countries large discounts. Then perhaps piracy would be reduced.

[Who?]

heres all the warez i have:)

cuteFTP
photoshop6
photoshop5.5
paint shop pro7
starcraft
ultraedit
windowblinds
windows 95
windows 98
windows me
ultraboard
ultimate bulletin board
flash 4
flash 5
free hand
fire works
dreamweaver 4
and more

and i just got cable so i will be adding more to the list

[Weapon]

Originally posted by Ozy
Vietnam over 97%.

I am really ashamed:o

[LeX]

For people with countless warez: Have you ever wondered which programs AREN'T pirated? ;)

I have... none of the programs on my computer cost me a dime, they're all pirated or borrowed from some other guy who bought it. :p

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by Todd

Your kidding me right? Do realize how much work goes in to programs like Photoshop or even a game like Quake? Go to Best Buy or Circuit City and look at the shelves, apart from Color it Clip Art (made up title) you won't find anything for $30. Heck, even this forum wouldn't be here if there weren't people that were honest and paid for software that they knew was worth it.

Stu, is completely accurate when he says they won't be buying 500 licenses for Photoshop. They would work out an agreement for a network installation as he said, and who would have 500 graphic designers hired? There aren't many that's for sure...


Hmm... I can't remember where you're at (Florida, I think), but prices must be higher there.... Most games I've seen in Best Buy and Fry's Electronics (the two cheapest stores here in Phoenix) are around $29.95 with some older ones around $19.95. I bought High Heat Baseball 2000 (after 2001 had come out) for $9.99. Only a few really high-end games go for more than $30.00... I think the most expensive I've seen is $49.95.

[Todd]

Really? I always go off the price on the web because its usually the bottom dollar price. It seems like all new games go for about $50-$60 around here and then after about six months you may spot them for around $30 or under. I've never come across that started out that low brand new though. If the prices are that low for new games in other places though it's all the more reason for them not to pirate.

[Nick]

WaReZ sucks majorly. Just a bunch of bull---- to make some dip---- some money off of popups, links, and referal urls. Screw that. I know two people that can get me any program I could imagine.

a) there's a kid at my school that has four notebook cd cases that holds 210 some cdr's each. i just im him the night before and he'll bring the right case (movies-divX/apps/games/cgi-php-asp scripts/mp3s), each one full and in some cases 2 cds/sleave.

if he doesnt have it, which is highly unlikely, option numero dos:

b) friend that is a computer engineer. his company has all the OS's, dev tools, whatever app you want.

and

c) ocassionally i might get some software at school (the comps have CD-RW drives)

and that's how I do it

[WorldWarGeneral]

yeah, all the porn on warez/crack sites is really annoying. If I happen to be browsing one of those sites, I'll do it with the images off (who really does want to look at a hot-pink, flashing banner about the Britany Spears blowjob video? Or Pamela and Tommy Lee's honeymoon video?) and with java-script disabled to get rid of the pop-ups. I'll sometimes just use Webwasher or something similar, but some sites create Javascript errors when you use ad-blocking software. (Yahoo does) I guess the porn ads wouldn't be so bad if porn sites didn't go out of their way to create excessivly annoying ads. (I suppose some people really do get in to internet porn and that's what makes those ads profitable. I just think it's sick)

[Coolin]

Nick you're so lucky... The computers at our school don't even have a sound card or a cd drive.

[whatevah]

lets see....

I've got FrontPage 2000 that micro$oft sent me a 45day free trial of.. (no shipping, either.. haha)... *somehow* it's now an unlimited day trial.

I've got "Popup Hunter", a shareware program that kills popups... it's the only program I feel bad about. and, they only wanted $20..

I've got Dreamweaver 3.. Flash 5. (had 4, but got 5.. hehe) never use Dreamweaver... rarely use Flash...

and, that's about it... I wouldn't even want PhotoShop... PaintShop Pro 7 is loads better... got my parents to buy it. heh

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Coolin
Nick you're so lucky... The computers at our school don't even have a sound card or a cd drive.
That reminds me of some of some of the computers we had at our school last year. They didn't even have a floppy drive. But they're updating the computers to brand-new top-of-the-line AMD Athlons this summer :cool:

[lucifer]

Originally posted by whatevah
I've got FrontPage 2000 that micro$oft sent me a 45day free trial of.. (no shipping, either.. haha)... *somehow* it's now an unlimited day trial.

I think you screwed up!

[gyrbo]

At my school the computers do have soundcards, but no speakers:rolleyes:

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by zazoo

To say that its not illegal "if you wernt going to buy it anyways".. well would it be illegal if you were to walk into a store and steal an orange even though "you wernt going to buy it anyways"? Of course it would be. People just seem to have a differnt way of looking at things when there dealing with information.


It's not quite the same actually... An orange is a physical object... You take it, it's gone. When someone downloads warez, they're actually making a copy of it for themselves. The original copy is still there after they download it. For it to be the same, you would have to have a device to make a copy of the orange, which you then steal from the store, while that original orange remains on the store shelf.


Just thought I'd point that out for posterity's sake. :D

[whatevah]

Originally posted by lucifer


I think you screwed up!

actually, I got it from Angelfire.com... they had a special offer through Microsoft (prolly because they just installed the FP2000 stuff on their server).

the first 1000 people to take the survey got FP2000 Trial for free, and no shipping... everybody else would get it for just shipping.

I was one of the first 1000.. :D

I had been just re-installing it every 45 days, but then I found *cough*.. I had copied the entire cd onto my hard drive, and installed from there. hehe just changed the license number every time. kinda mean, but..

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by whatevah


actually, I got it from Angelfire.com... they had a special offer through Microsoft (prolly because they just installed the FP2000 stuff on their server).

the first 1000 people to take the survey got FP2000 Trial for free, and no shipping... everybody else would get it for just shipping.

I was one of the first 1000.. :D

I had been just re-installing it every 45 days, but then I found *cough*.. I had copied the entire cd onto my hard drive, and installed from there. hehe just changed the license number every time. kinda mean, but..

Why take so much pain for a program that sucks big time! :rolleyes:

[meow]

You are a very negative person, lastactionhero. :rolleyes:
Some day I will tell you how I cracked Notepad and how I got Windows without paying. :p

[LastActionHero]

What I meant was why not crack dreamweaver/coffee cup. FP doens't deserve that effort.

I'am curious to know how you cracked notedpad. ;)

[meow]

I'm not tellin' if I don't get something in exchange. Got something cool? :cool:

[Todd]

Keep the warez exchanges (or offers) off the board please. I think this thread has also run its course so I'm going to lock it as well.