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Tamranda

February 22nd, 2005, 12:01

I was just thinking about how this forum was a few months back & how it has changed now :S

This forum is getting more & more Blind Spammers day after day.

How many of you think thier is a need for more Strict Rules so that these Spammers or Blind Hosts can be avoided ?

If yes, What kind of rules do you think would be helpful ?

All I can think of right now is that No Host who has been in buisness for less than 1 year or 6 months can relpy to offers. Any more Suugestions ?

Robert

February 22nd, 2005, 12:25

I agree.

First, I think any threads asking for a free reseller/dedicated server should be deleted immediately. The fact remains that those who do offer such plans are not reliable, and it's just taking up space. Furthermore, the excuse of "starting my own free hosting company and you'll get all the profits" is a lame excuse. Profits from free hosting companies is far and beyond. Drop it.

Furthermore, I think hosts shouldn't be allowed to include a 2,000 word essay to why the poster should pick them. Post the information and get to the point. But that's my personal opinion.

Furthermore, I think there should be a "Buyers Beware" forum that allows users to post their experience with hosts. As long as they provide proof (ie. their URL), etc, I think it would be good.

But that's just me.

Duport

February 22nd, 2005, 12:25

I agree with Tamranda, hopefully the management will also agree, other big
sites do not put up with such spammers.

I think that if the rule is the applied that we should all have our say first.

- I think 3 month's would be quite a good time as minimum
- Needs a post count of 15 or more, to post advert in any advert sections (add the mod)

- I also would not mind adding the companies background information in so many words

Tamranda

February 22nd, 2005, 12:46

You guys gave some good rules :)

What we can do is collect all the good rules which we think should be applied, Put it all into a post together & tell about this to the Forum Administrators & Moderators (If they do not see the post by themselves)

Furthermore, I think there should be a "Buyers Beware" forum that allows users to post their experience with hosts. As long as they provide proof (ie. their URL), etc, I think it would be good.

I totally agree on this one ... Apart from having a forum like this we can also put up a Sticky about Black-listed Hosts in this Forum which would contain a list of all the hosts which have been banned here or are Fraudlent Hosts.

Moreover, I think the forum is lacking the required amount of Staff ie Moderators. So I guess thier should be More Moderators, People like Robert & Decker have been on this forum for some time & I think it would be good to make them a Mod. :)

Paradoxic

February 22nd, 2005, 14:41

Instead of adding a post minimum and all that, why don't you add a rule that any advert replied to paid hosting requests be under 25 lines. That would at least make it look nicer. And make it so webmasters of those hosting companys can only post 1 link, 1 package, and 1 set of features in their post (and can not make more then one advert in the thread). And of course the advert has to realate to what has been requested. (i.e. if someone asks for only 80 MB disk space, and wants fantastico, then you must offer both in your post)

Duport

February 22nd, 2005, 16:30

It will allow all the spammers to still post, if a min post is set they cannot post,
except in non min post area's (Advert Area's)

Although thats a good idea and could be added to.

As you see I don't post much here, so I think around 15 would be good

Peo

February 22nd, 2005, 17:28

Thanks for your suggestions and keep posting ideas on how to improve the rules.

Just some quick thoughts about what has been said so far...

We already have a 25 rows rule for posting offers. It's hard to know how long a host has been in business, but if we can come up with some idea about that then it might be a good idea to restrict very new hosts from posting offers. I don't think we should stop hosts who have fewer than 15 posts to post offers though. Where should they get 15 posts if we do not allow them to post?

Jan

February 22nd, 2005, 17:51

If hosts took the time to read the rules that we have in place, and read the actual requirements of the request, there would be no need for restrictions. There was one thread where a long established host was required, and all these new wannabes replied. I gave up deleting them in the end as the comprehension skills of new hosts is severly lacking. If they can't read, they shouldn't be in the hosting business! School would be a better place for them to spend their time.

generouswebhostin

February 22nd, 2005, 17:57

The ratio people looking for hosting 1 : 20 web hosts :)

Paradoxic

February 22nd, 2005, 18:06

I do not like the idea of stopping new hosts from replying to requests as it is the new hosts that need the advertising the most. New hosts can not afford Google Adword and banner ads on sites, etc. Not to mention that just because a host has been in buisness longer does not neccessarily mean they know more about the buisness or offer a better service.

gate2vn

February 22nd, 2005, 18:21

New hosts can reply to requests, I agree. However, they need to read the forums' rules, and of course the customer' requirements. If they just copy-paste, or their posts are not folloing the rules, not fit to requirements, mods can delete without any comments. And if you can have a warning system, it should be good. If any one has more than 5 warnings (for example), that nick will be banned, the host name will be replaced by ******? In this way, users can wonder if there is anything wrong with this provider, and they can re-think before making order

Duport

February 22nd, 2005, 19:10

OK how about, a sticky where to reply in a topic you need to have read it, if
you don't read it and you try and reply it will say you need to read some rule
or take you to that topic

TJR Networks

February 22nd, 2005, 22:45

Tamranda

February 23rd, 2005, 00:17

I think there should also be a rule saying that you can't answer a request whose last post is more than two weeks old. Otherwise you get people trying to offer hosting to people who have already found a host.
This one is a nice one, I've seen Hosts replying to threads which are actully a month or more old.

I can't see an warning System here on the Forums as I've seen on IPB, Im not sure if it exists on VB.

But we can do 1 thing .... Whenever a host breaks the Rule, Moderators can Increase his/her warning level & when it has been increases 3 times, the host gets banned automatically.

Their is already such rule I guess, but its not much effective since I've seen hosts breakng the rules a lot of times & are still here.

Moreover, Other Hosts should also help the Moderators by reporting such Hosts.

Tamranda

February 23rd, 2005, 00:28

OK how about, a sticky where to reply in a topic you need to have read it, if
you don't read it and you try and reply it will say you need to read some rule
or take you to that topic

I was thinking about the same. Its possible & actully quite easy aswell but It would require us to change the origianl VB code.

What we can do is edit the showthread.php file & put a conditional that if the thread is the "Rules Thread" then setup a cookie with vaule 1 or something then we can put another conditional that if you open any other thread & thier is no cookie like that on your PC then you would be redirected to the Rules Thread else if you have a the cookie with the value 1 in it then you can continue viewing the Thread. (My php Programmer told me this)

Jan

February 23rd, 2005, 05:06

I suggested a warning system such as they have at WHT, but nothing has come of it. I would still support it, as it gives the "three strikes and you are out" a more definitive meaning. Stepping up the warnings may just help as so many do the same time after time.

Be warned hosts! Any of you who have had posts removed/edited will be getting *official*warnings from now on, we only give so much leeway and if you can't see past friendly email/PM warnings, then you ain't ever gonna see it.

GeorgeB

February 23rd, 2005, 08:28

This might getting me kicked off here and if so then that's ok. My whole thing in a nut shell is that some of you who are posting and what not have been in business for a long time I presume. Why not think of how it was when you first went into business? I am sure unless you were rich then it was kind of hard. Most hosting companies only have advertising methods by word of mouth. I personally don't see anything wrong with new web hosts posting their offers to prospects. As long as they have good services and actually know what in the world they are doing.
Plus like one of the moderators had said if you make the web hosts have a requirement of 15 posts before they can reply to anyone then how do you expect them to earn 15 posts. I personally think this site is awesome. I have been a memeber to a few of them and still are but I like this one a lil more. Plus I would like to formally appologize to the moderators, webmaster, and the owner(s) of FreeWebspace.net. When I first joined I didn't know some of the rules about posting.

Like I said. All that is my personal opinion and if I get banned because of it then it was fun being a member.

Romeo:-)

Duport

February 23rd, 2005, 08:33

I was thinking about the same. Its possible & actully quite easy aswell but It would require us to change the origianl VB code.

What we can do is edit the showthread.php file & put a conditional that if the thread is the "Rules Thread" then setup a cookie with vaule 1 or something then we can put another conditional that if you open any other thread & thier is no cookie like that on your PC then you would be redirected to the Rules Thread else if you have a the cookie with the value 1 in it then you can continue viewing the Thread. (My php Programmer told me this)

You can find this hack at .org

I have the warning system on my site, might be of use here.

Jan

February 23rd, 2005, 08:44

As posted in a closed thread:

Starting tomorrow, if you can't meet the request, you make offers where recommendations are wanted, you offer 2GB diskspace when only 200 MB is wanted, you started hosting last week and at least a year hosting was requested, etc etc etc, you will get a warning!!!!! Three strikes and you are OUT as per the rules!

I guess we should have stepped this up when WHT stopped the requests forum. We will also review the rules setup as it doesn't really apply to all the would be scammers and spammers that inhabit forums nowadays.

Tamranda

February 23rd, 2005, 10:09

Robert

February 23rd, 2005, 11:11

Excellent. There are a few mods over @ VBulletin that allow you to add a warning point system. I'm not sure if WHT's system is custom (probably is), but I don't think a custom one is needed......

Duport

February 23rd, 2005, 11:19

AWS at vbulletin.org

Curtis H.

February 23rd, 2005, 21:58

Good to see this ... I guess we won't see these Spammers & Scammers here again !
What about hosts who lie? :wink2:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=366642&highlight=Tamranda

tamranda.com

ashish

February 23rd, 2005, 23:21

oh my :O now that was nasty..... even though they sort of reprieved themselves....

well neways i have read the rules etc. and i have just one question for jan, can we post plans when they are a little bit more then what that guy wants? i mean lets say that someone asks for 300 MB space, can we post a plan that has 500 MB?

Tamranda

February 24th, 2005, 00:59

What about hosts who lie? :wink2:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=366642&highlight=Tamranda

tamranda.com

I would suggest you to read the WHOLE thread (Specially the ending Part) & then you can decide if we lie or not.

People at WHT said that Im 13 & stuff, Which in the end I've proved to be wrong.

Also, If you people are ready to make a rule against us, I would respect it & would leave the Community.

Jan

February 24th, 2005, 04:12

well neways i have read the rules etc. and i have just one question for jan, can we post plans when they are a little bit more then what that guy wants? i mean lets say that someone asks for 300 MB space, can we post a plan that has 500 MB?
Sure, that's fine. Some hosts have set plans and they won't do custom plans, so if you have something close to the request, go for it. And these are not new rules, just enforcing old rules "matching the request". But as seen in the past, new hosts will toss in their 2GB Space and 200GB bandwidth mega deal, thinking that will work in their direction, but only the uninformed will fall for that and unfortunately be back here in a few weeks asking for a new host.

Tamranda

February 24th, 2005, 04:25

Sure, that's fine. Some hosts have set plans and they won't do custom plans, so if you have something close to the request, go for it. And these are not new rules, just enforcing old rules "matching the request". But as seen in the past, new hosts will toss in their 2GB Space and 200GB bandwidth mega deal, thinking that will work in their direction, but only the uninformed will fall for that and unfortunately be back here in a few weeks asking for a new host.

Good to see some Action being taken :) (http://freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=65969)

Robert

February 24th, 2005, 05:23

What about hosts who lie? :wink2:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=366642&highlight=Tamranda

tamranda.com
Keep your drama over at WHT. We don't need it here at FWS. When issues like that occur over here, they will be delt with, until then, they belong to WHT and only to WHT.