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Conscript
February 22nd, 2005, 23:38
I wasn't going to do this for a while, but after using it all day I think I have enough to write a review, at least a brief one. No pics yet though, if you guys want them just ask and I'll take some.

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CyberPower System is a company that sells computers, they are based in California. It is a small dot com, but I've ordered there before and so have my friends so I have trust in them.

Anyways, I recently (it arrived today) ordered a custom built laptop from them and this is what I will review here.

I ordered a custom built version of the following design:
http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/highendsystem/NTBKS43000.asp?v=d

(pics included in link above)


The specs I ordered were:

15.4" Widescreen 1680x1050 Resolution
1.8Ghz Intel Pentium M w/2MB Cache
1024MB RAM
40GB Hard Drive
8x DVD Burner
ATI Radeon 9700 PRO 256MB Video
Memory Card Reader (internal)
Other Misc. things like Firewire, S-Video in/out, etc.

They also included a free carrying case.

My final total? $1675 shipped ($1625 for the laptop, $50 shipping, no tax as they are based in California)

To compare, a Laptop over at Dell with similar specs would run about $2,200 at the very least. The Inspiron 6000 was the model I was looking at that closest resembles what I ordered (except it has on board graphics or the ATI X300 128MB, which is an inferior video card to the ATI Radeon 9700 PRO).

Dell also charges tax in Illinois, so my total over at Dell for similar specs (though the x300 ATI card wasn't even available when I was getting ready to order a laptop and still isn't in the USA, so it was on board video only on the system I configured) was around $2200 for inferior specs, and tax/shipping added a few more for a total of ~$2400.

So my savings at Cyberpower, with superior specs, are around $600. Pretty significant.

Anyways, for the money it was a total steal, which is what is expected from Cyberpower as they always beat any price out there by a lot. That is why I ordered my last desktop system from them and why all my friends took me up on my recommendation and also ordered from them.

So anyways, the laptop arrived today, perfect condition, free carrying case as promised.

After getting it set up with all the software I want (took about 2-3 hours) I was simply amazed. Cyberpower has really proven themselves to me again with this laptop.

So far, there are 0 problems. Not even one dead pixel on the LCD.

I was also pleasantly suprised that it has S-Video IN as well as OUT, so I should be able to import old analog video material in here. At least the set up instructions claim that is an IN port, I am yet to test it.

The Screen

While the screen is not the new brightview technology that many new laptops offer it is quite stunning none the less. Very good quality for an LCD, and personally I don't like the new brightview anyway as it causes glare - which to me defies the purpose of having an LCD.

The 15.4" Widescreen is just the right size for a laptop that I intend to use as a desktop replacement. It is not too small, it is also not too big as to become unportable.

The 1680x1050 resolution is a mixed bag however. It is a higher resolution than most other companies offer on 15.4" (the standards for a 15.4" Widescreen seem to be 1280x800 or 1440x900). There is good reason why companies don't offer such fine resolution: everything is tiny.

While it was a niusance at first, and made me almost doubt my purchase, after several hours I have gotten used to it (now when I look at 1280x1024 on my old computer it seems gigantic to me!).

So while it is harder by a bit to read text and stuff at first, the benefits become obvious with heavier use. I am able to keep my Trillian as a side panel viewable at all times without sacrificing any work area. I can view large photoshop documents without having to zoom out as well.

With Microsoft Office I can keep my Trillian open as well as the Office sidebar and still view an entire document.

Another benefit is I can fit about 8 programs open on the taskbar without Windows grouping them! And also I don't have to hide as many icons in the system tray.

I am very pleased now and the resolution is really starting to grow on me.


The Speed

1.8Ghz Pentium M is equivalent to about 2.8-3.0Ghz Pentium 4, and yes, it is very fast. I am very satisified with the speed. 1GB of RAM really adds to it as well (my old computer had 512MB). I can keep a lot of programs open without it slowing down at all, and also things load faster. Basically, it is a very good amount of RAM.

Speedwise, this thing is totally rocking.


The Features

It came with an 8x DVD burner, which I haven't tried burning on yet but have used to install apps from. The drive itself seems to be a bit delicate, and the eject button is positioned in a weird spot where I have a hard time finding it without running my finger accross the side of the computer. A minor nuisance, but they could've included something that would have an easier to find eject button!

The memory card reader is great, very fast, I copied over 1GB from my SD Card in less than 10 minutes or so (wasn't timing), which is a very good speed for a memory card reader.

USB 2.0 is very fast as well, I was able to transfer some of my files from my desktop over here very quickly.

I have not had a chance to try out the s-video in or out yet. I also don't have any firewire devices so that hasn't been tried either, though the laptop has 1 firewire port built in.


Battery Life

Calculating for about 30 minutes how fast it was draining, the battery life seems to be about 2:15 minutes under pretty regular to heavy use. One thing that is bringing that number down is the fact was downloading to my hard drive the whole time during this test (which probably deducted a good amount from the battery life).

Also WiFi is on the whole time, which is also another battery drainer (in my PDA it cuts battery life from 6 hours to 2 hours, so I imagine even on the laptop it takes away maybe another 1/2 hour to 40 mins).

The battery I ordered, which is I believe 8 or 9 cell, is supposed to last about 4 hours, though the laptop specificaition said 5 hours.

Based on my current usage however it looks like it probably won't ever get past 3 hours or just over 3 hours (maybe like 3:15 or so tops).

That is pretty good battery life for a laptop none the less, though a bit disappointing as I was really hoping to get at least 4:25 or something. The Inspiron 6000 I mentioned earlier which comes closest to this laptop in specs (though definitley not price!) gets about 3 hours battery life maxmimum according to a review I read, so this Cyberpower is about on par.

Definitley better than my old Toshiba laptop that got about 1:30 with wifi on and in use, and better than some Pentium 4 Desktop Replacements that get about 1:40 maximum.


Video Performance

In theory, the ATI Radeon 9700 PRO should get pretty good frame rates, especially with 256MB of dedicated video RAM. I haven't had a chance to install any graphic intensive games yet, though I will soon.

This is probably one of the best laptop cards available for this price range. I am amazed at how many laptops ship with crap cards like the ATI 9000 IGP or GeForce Go5200, which are both old cards.

There are some high end laptops that have GeForce 6800, but we're talking a much larger price range.

So as far as video goes, this is one of the best cards I've seen in this class of laptops.

Final Words

I am very pleased with my purchase. I've saved hundreds of dollars by going with cyberpower - again - and they have as I've stated earlier proven themselves to me again. The only disappointments so far are the CD drive's eject button/design and the battery life (which is still pretty good just not as good as I hoped).

I would definitley buy from them again. Their website again is www.cyberpowersystem.com .

I know this laptop will serve me well for the next couple of years. It is going to be my desktop replacement, meaning this will be my main system. I gave my old desktop I used until today to my brother, and I am going to take his eMachines to keep in my room mostly for decoration and possibly for occasional use.

So yeah, my conclusion is that this is one of the best purchases anyone can get as far as laptops go.

Two thumbs up.

jmiller
February 22nd, 2005, 23:45
Heh.

Shouldn't this have gone in the computers forum?

msn
February 23rd, 2005, 09:46
quite expensive i think..

Conscript
February 23rd, 2005, 13:41
Yes, it is still an expensive laptop but it is cheaper for the specs than you could get it anywhere else.

Dragonlordgod
February 24th, 2005, 17:10
Does it have wireless...very expensive for me...
I could never buy one of those. :eek2:

Robert
February 24th, 2005, 17:26
Very nice laptop and very reasonable on the price. I may be picking one up very soon, as well as a desktop to give to my brother.

Personalize pictures would be an added bonus to the review.

bozley05
February 25th, 2005, 06:34
I'm glad you like it. Didn't want all this excitement to turn into disappointment. It may be expensive, but for what it has in the case, its extremely good value.

I can't see why people would want to buy a desktop nowadays, laptops are getting that good and powerful, that I'm gonna replace my current desktop with a notebook. Except I wont give the desktop to my brother, I will burn it. Stupid computer!!! Atleast once every week or so, there is like some BIOS malfunction, where it changes the boot sequence and loses the IDE settings, therefore not being able to load Windows... So I just have to keep resetting until it lets me find floppy in the Bios and reset the IDE settings. Today it took like 20 mins... Grrrr, damn generic PC's!

Would love to see pics btw...

Conscript
February 25th, 2005, 19:22
Okay guys here are the pictures as promised.

The first are of my laptop workspace. The other ones are of the case it came with and the box it came in (this box was inside a larger shipping box).

If you want to see more pics of any particular detail let me know.

http://www.greggibas.net/images/laptop1.jpg

http://www.greggibas.net/images/laptop2.jpg

http://www.greggibas.net/images/laptop3.jpg

http://www.greggibas.net/images/laptop4.jpg

http://www.greggibas.net/images/laptop5.jpg

http://www.greggibas.net/images/laptop6.jpg

bozley05
February 25th, 2005, 19:24
Sweeeeeet! How did you eBay auction go for your old laptop?

Conscript
February 25th, 2005, 22:15
It went for $735 but the guy was a newbie and only wanted to pay via PayPal despite the fact I specifically said NO PAYPAL.

So now I am relisting it.

Robert
February 26th, 2005, 07:54
Nice pictures.

Did yours come w/ an OS or did you do it yourself?

Hoth
February 26th, 2005, 13:20
I can't see why people would want to buy a desktop nowadays

Well, a couple years ago I bought a laptop thinking the mobility would be nice (and it was, to an extent, for a while). I quickly discovered that if you're actually using anything other than minesweeper batteries don't last long. After a few months the keyboard died (tried the obvious stuff like cleaning), and since a repair would be expensive and would involve losing the computer for a while I bought an external keyboard -- resulting in the laptop being rather tied down by cords and bulk. Right now my laptop is rooted in position by a USB hub (one cord in, one out), mouse cord, keyboard cord, ethernet cord and power cord. To actually move my laptop would be a major undertaking, one which I haven't attempted in quite some time. I've found lately the power cord has to be kept at a perfect angle or it'll stop charging and go to battery power... I've also found that my battery which used to last a couple hours now lasts about 10 minutes, resulting in unexpected shutdowns when I don't notice that it's not getting AC power anymore. Recently my DVD/CD-RW drive began to die, hardly ever works for more than a minute now. I can't replace it because I can't even get the laptop case to fully unscrew.

Desktops have easily interchangable parts. That's their big advantage (not to mention they're a lot cheaper). Hence I just bought a desktop as my new computer a week ago. Laptops are a nice idea, but I'm a bit disillusioned with them for now (though it'll still be useful as a backup computer, which I can take if I ever actually go somewhere, even if it'll be a pain to go through all the cords).

Conscript
March 1st, 2005, 00:52
Well I need to inform everyone that I have decided to return cyberpower's laptop.

After exhaustive use for over a week I discovered it wasnt right for me. I really tried to like this laptop as it was a steal for the money but there are a few drawbacks.

For me it boils down to battery life. I decided that 2:30 would just not be enough for me. The second problem I had is after researching the laptop I discovered it was not possible to obtain any accessories or parts for it. In fact, only 1 yahoo shop sold spare batteries and no one I could find sold the extended battery which I wanted to buy to make this laptop last longer.

The second problem I had with it was that the battery would lose charge over night. After being 100% at shut down, by morning it was down to 94%. I know all batteries slowly lose charge on their own, but I did not expect such a dramatic drop over the course of 6-7 hours that I was asleep.

I went on Uniwill's forums, Uniwill being the company that sells barebone kits to resellers like Cyberpower, and found that the battery droppage was a common problem and was fixable for some with some BIOS settings and not others.

Another pet peeve of mine with this laptop became that it had no battery time estimator. It would tell you what % left you have, but not the estimate like on other laptops that clearly tell you "2 hours and 50 minutes" for example. I really got used to that feature on my old Toshiba laptop and I really missed it on here.

I thought 3rd party software would cure it, but apparently its not just a matter of software but again a matter of the BIOS supporting that feature. I didn't know estimating drainage was so complicated, but this laptop couldnt do it.

I was still happy with the screen, the looks, and the performance of this computer. Don't get me wrong, this is a solid machine, despite its shorter than expected battery life.

What really convinced me to return it was a $750 off Dell coupon someone at work told me about. I was able to configure a similar system with the new Sonoma Centrino at Dell (but only a ATI X300 128MB Video card, rather than the Cyberpower's ATI Radeon 9700 256MB) for $1485 w/tax+shipping after the $750 off.

I called up Cyberpower and they told me I would get a 100% refund minus shipping plus I have to pay for shipping it back to them for the refund. That sets me back $65 ($50 shipping + $15 shipping back that I paid today at the UPS Store). Since I paid $1675 for it total, the $65 it sets me back gives me a net recovery of $1610 - so I still come out over $100 on top with Dell even after the hassle of an online refund.

The Dell Inspiron 6000 was the laptop I was looking at as my top pick before Cyberpower as Ive mentioned in my original review of the Cyberpower, the only problems were lack of dedicated video and also the price.

Well to my suprise, the Inspiron 6000 is now being offered with the ATI x300 128MB video card in the USA, which yes is inferior to the Cyberpower one but still very useable for games unlike the intel integrated BS that was the only option at the time I ordered Cyberpower, but I am willing to take that hit for the money savings. While the Dell was much more expensive when I was ordering the Cyberpower, the $750 off coupon actually put it under the Cyberpower price! I can't believe this happened, but this is the first time I have honestly seen Cyberpower's price get beaten for a comparable product.

So with those two cons - the only 2 cons - that kept me from getting a Dell to begin with removed, there was nothing standing in my way.

The Inspiron 6000 came with an extended battery option, which I chose over the standard battery, and according to a review on a site (http://laptopmag.com/Review/Dell-Inspiron-6000.htm) it gets up to 6 hours with this battery.

Now THAT is GOOD battery life and sure as hell beats the Cyberpowers real life of 2:30 (not the advertised 4 hours).

So once again I play the waiting game. I am waiting for Cyberpower to give me the refund (I shipped it back today, they should have it next week and they told me on the phone it takes 2 weeks to process refunds), so that I can pay Dell. I also have to wait about 2 weeks for Dell to build and send my new laptop.

The funny thing is I dont have enough cash for both, so what I did was I applied for Dell credit - and at my age I'm suprised they gave me $1500 credit - and had to buy on that (I was lucky my final total was about $15 short of my limit!). Its 30% APR though, so I want to pay it all on the first bill to avoid interest, which will only be possible if Cyberpower processes the refund on time.

When I get the Dell laptop I will write up another extensive review and post it here.


My final words on Cyberpower as a company and their laptops:

They are a good company. I do not regret buying from them and I am not disappointed with the quality of the product with the exceptions of battery problems mostly and some of the other minor issues (and every product no matter where you go has those).

Would I buy from Cyberpower again? Absolutley. So far I had no problems dealing with their staff and as I've said everyone who has one of their comps is happy with it. If I decide to buy another desktop at some point, I would definitley buy it again from Cyberpower since their prices are hard to beat.

I would recommend them still, though I would not recommend them for laptops anymore for the simple reason that accessories/spare parts are hard to come by (as I found out only after I got it and wanted to buy some). But if spare parts/repairs aren't an issue, and one is willing to deal with whatever battery life you get on their laptops then yes, they are a solid product.

So my opinion of Cyberpower is not diminished by this particular experience and I would and probably will buy from them again (but only desktops).

bozley05
March 1st, 2005, 03:41
Best of luck with your Dell, my mate has a Dell 1.5ghz centrino, and says good things about it and it does have good battery life. I think you will like it. Looking forward to your Dell review.

joybugoy
March 23rd, 2005, 16:13
Conscript,
Thank you very much for your review, it really helps me a lot in my decision process,

i'm returning my i6000d because of the paleness of color of the LCD,
it's because i took the WXGA LCD, because i don't want to go smaller than that, the other resolutions are brighter (the WSXGA+ and WUXGA) but to tiny for me.

So i'm looking into buying a laptop from CyberPower, hopinf that their LCD at the WXGA level will be crisp unlike that of the DELL 6000d

how is the color crispness on the CyberPower?