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Gayowulf
June 22nd, 2001, 23:28
I found this quite funny (and somewhat true) :)



I AM CANADIAN
(clears throat) Hey... I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader... and
I don't
live in an igloo, or eat blubber, or own a dogsled... and I don't
know
Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada, although I'm certain they're
really,
really nice. I have a Prime Minister, not a President. I speak
English and
French, NOT American. and I pronounce it 'ABOUT', NOT 'A BOOT'.

I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack. I believe in
peace
keeping, NOT policing. DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation, AND THAT THE
BEAVER IS
A TRULY PROUD AND NOBLE ANIMAL. A TOQUE IS A HAT, A CHESTERFIELD IS
A
COUCH, AND IT IS PRONOUNCED 'ZED' NOT 'ZEE', 'ZED'!!! CANADA IS THE
SECOND
LARGEST LANDMASS! THE FIRST NATION OF HOCKEY! AND THE BEST PART OF
NORTH
AMERICA!

MY NAME IS JOE!! AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!




I AM ITALIAN
Ciao... I'm not a construction worker, a brick layer or a school
janitor. I
don't live in a basement, or eat pasta every night. And I don't
drive a
Camaro. And I don't know Tony, Rocco or Gino from Woodbridge,
Although I'm
certain they're very very hairy people. I drink wine...not beer. I
don't
use utensils for pizza. I believe in open bars at weddings, not
cash. And
its pronounced ESPRESSO, not EX-PRESSO.

I can proudly fly my country's flag out of my car during the
worldcup.
Gelato IS ice cream, Biscotti ARE cookies, Pavarotti IS the best of
the
three tenors, And it's Broo-SKetta, not Broo-SHetta!! Italy is the
ONLY
country shaped like footwear, The FIRST nation of soccer, And the
BEST part
of Europe!!

My name is Guiseppe !!! AND I AM ITALIAN!!








I AM PAKISTANI
Allo, I'm not a cab driver, a 7-11 clerk or a gas attendant. I don't
go to
fleamarkets, or worshipelephants, or eat with my hands. And I don't
know
Akbar, Rampreet or Mohammed from Rundle, Although I'm certain
they're very
smelly people. I eat roti....not pita. I don't only shower once a
week, I
elieve in discounts, not full price. And I pronounce it WHAT, not
VHAT.

I can proudly fly my country's flag out of my car during a terrorist
siege.
A turban IS an article of clothing Spicy foods ARE better than mild
foods
Curry is a VERY tasty dish, and it IS pronounced Gaun-dee,not
Gun-dee
,GAUN-dee!! Pakistan IS a third world country, The first nation of
Cricket
And the BEST part of the middle east!!

My name is Raheem! AND I AM PAKISTANI!!!!






I AM CHINESE!
Wai... I'm not a cook, or a computer tech, or the owner of a
laundromat. I
don't live with my parents, I don't eat dog. I don't drive a
souped-up
Civic. And I don't know Ping, Ching or Wing from Beddingt Heights
Although
I'm certain they're very rice... I mean nice people. I use
chopsticks, not
a fork. I rarely drive on the sidewalk. I believe in giving cash,
not gifts
And I pronounce it HELLO, not HARRO.

I can proudly wave my country's flag at a tank during a massacre,
Dim sum
IS brunch, Gwai-Los ARE white folk Jet Li can kick Van Damme's ---
anyday.
And it IS pronounced Gon Hay Fa Choi, not Gon HEE Fa Choi China is
>the
LARGEST country in Asia, The FIRST nation of PING-PONG, And the BEST
remaining COMMUNIST COUNTRY!!

My name is FUNG!!! AND I AM CHINESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and finally........





I AM AMERICAN
Wassup... I'm not particularly intelligent, open-minded, or
well-liked. And
I don't live in a safe place, eat a balanced diet, or drive very
well. I
don't know Shakespeare, Da Vinci or Gutenberg, although I'm pretty
sure
they were American. I drink beer, not water, I am outspoken, not
opinionated, Guns settle disputes, not discussions. Winning isn't
everything, it's the ONLY thing, And it's pronounced RUFF, not ROOF.

I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack, unless I go
somewhere.
Burger King IS fine dining. Washing after peeing is for LOSERS,
Twinkies
and Moon Pies ARE GOOD for breakfast, I have a SHED, NOT a GARAGE,
and WWF
ACTION IS REAL! The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is the ONLY country in
the
world, The FIRST nation of IGNORANCE, And the BEST part of SOUTH
AMERICA!!

MY NAME IS JIM-BOB, I am married to my sister, AND I AM
AMERICAN!!!!!!!

Coolin
June 23rd, 2001, 00:02
LoL

I sense some distaste for Americans... No? :)

Gayowulf
June 23rd, 2001, 00:20
Ive never eaten an American, so i wouldn know how they taste ;)

no. I have no distaste for any particular group of people. This is not (totally) a reflection of my beliefs.

LeX
June 23rd, 2001, 09:58
....... :rolleyes:

niv
June 23rd, 2001, 10:06
:p

WorldWarGeneral
June 23rd, 2001, 11:11
hmm...is that really how other nations view Americans? I'm just curious. I know that was meant to be funny, but being serious, what is the general feeling towards America in other Nations?


I remember reading in the newspaper about how a television show from Canada came around and asked Amercians questions to point out how ignorant many are about Canada. Most Americans don't even know who Canada's prime minister is. (including my self. :o ), yet most people in Canada know who the American president is.

Bruce
June 23rd, 2001, 11:55
hell, even i think a lot of americans are quite ignorant. some people don't even realize that maine is a state; they think its part of canada or something.

Ozy
June 23rd, 2001, 12:46
Americans are ignorand about whats going on around the world, and most of them are really bad in world geography.
Of course there are lots of exceptions but maybe its a good thing that their new president is not an exception :)
When I went to the US for the first time a college student (junior) asked me where I was from. I told him the name of my island and he didn't know it. So I told him that its in Mediteranean sea. He said: "Where is that?". I told him "Its the sea bellow Europe, you know where Europe is right?" .. he said "oh yes .. i think its 'that way' .. right?"

Coolin
June 23rd, 2001, 13:04
WWG: I've seen a commercial of that show, it's called "Talking to Americans"

It's full of American's congratulating Canadians for getting FM Radio, legalizing insultin, getting out of an igloo for once, and stuff like that.

They even asked University students that have PHDs about this stuff and they were just as ignorant.

I remember the part when the host said that our Prime Minister, Taco Bell, wanted to raise taxes or something, and wanted the person to petition against it by signing the sheet. And that person actually did.

zazoo
June 23rd, 2001, 17:07
Originally posted by WorldWarGeneral
hmm...is that really how other nations view Americans? I'm just curious. I know that was meant to be funny, but being serious, what is the general feeling towards America in other Nations?


I remember reading in the newspaper about how a television show from Canada came around and asked Amercians questions to point out how ignorant many are about Canada. Most Americans don't even know who Canada's prime minister is. (including my self. :o ), yet most people in Canada know who the American president is.

I like americans :D they protect us Canadians;)

ya its true I don't think I know anyone here that doesn't know the presedent of the US right now and a few from the past

we even learn some american history every little while :p

Gayowulf
June 23rd, 2001, 17:42
As a people Americans are quite different than canadians. (your average person)

I have found in my travels that Americans tend to be a little bit more agressive, and assertive.

Not all americans are ignorant, but those who think we live in high rise igloos and drive stationwagon dogsleds to work are a little bit misled.

Not that any of this matters of course; It is just interesting that, for the most part, americans and canadians come from the same roots, and live very near to each other but are different. :)

Giancarlo
June 23rd, 2001, 17:45
BLAME CANADA! BLAME CANADA! :D :D

stu
June 23rd, 2001, 17:58
fear us

http://www.standonguard.com/

Giancarlo
June 23rd, 2001, 18:00
Yeah with your 70 Year Old MiG-3's stolen from the USSR and 40 Year Old Equipiment you are bound to invade the US.... HAHAHA!

Gayowulf
June 23rd, 2001, 19:09
Now i am sorry i started this topic. As usaual whenever Canada and the United States is mentioned the topic always strays to military power.

A prime example of the fact that Canada is a peace keeping nation, and the USA starts wars. Not to mention the looking-for-a-fight nature of many citizens.

zazoo
June 23rd, 2001, 21:00
Originally posted by Gayowulf

A prime example of the fact that Canada is a peace keeping nation, and the USA starts wars. Not to mention the looking-for-a-fight nature of many citizens.

speaking of sterio types......

Giancarlo
June 23rd, 2001, 21:03
BLAME CANADA! Lets Blame Canada for our terrorist problems. The Canadians have no control over most of their country, and cars with high amounts of explosives try to enter the US every year... remember those Algerians?

bigperm
June 23rd, 2001, 21:08
Anybody else notice that on Jeopardy... the catagory nobody know anything about is always canadian geography? Everybody answers "Northwest Territory!"

Coolin
June 23rd, 2001, 21:14
Originally posted by Giancarlo
BLAME CANADA! Lets Blame Canada for our terrorist problems. The Canadians have no control over most of their country, and cars with high amounts of explosives try to enter the US every year... remember those Algerians?
Anyone remember how the Americans dumped a couple million tonnes of toxic waste on our land for nuclear "testing" purposes on the cold war?

And now America isn't even considering to clean up the mess it caused?

Typical Americans.

Giancarlo
June 23rd, 2001, 21:20
Typical American Excuse: "We needed a place to store them. Canada seems free"

Sorry my humor is really awful.. :D

bigperm
June 23rd, 2001, 21:52
and not funny

niv
June 24th, 2001, 07:20
true.

WorldWarGeneral
June 24th, 2001, 09:31
These are some things from Talking to Americans. I thought they were quite funny and relavant to some of the stuff discussed here. They're from TV Guide Live's website: http://www.tvguidelive.com/netcetera/rick-mercer.html

My Ten Favorite "TALKING TO AMERICANS."
by Rick Mercer


10) In Chicago: "Congratulations Canada on having running water in all five states."

9) In Washington, D.C.: "Congratulations Canada on your first national railroad."


8) In Washington, D.C.: "Congratulations Canada on 268 consecutive days of snow."


7) At Harvard: "Yes, I believe the seal slaughter should be stopped in Saskatchewan."


6) In Chicago: "Congratulations Canada on making Beaver Balls your national dish."

5) At Mount Rushmore: "Congratulations Canada, our Eskimo neighbours to the South, on your new Mount Mulroneyuk."


4) Governor of Arkansas: "Congratulations Canada on preserving your national igloo."


3) In New York: "Yes, I think Jean Chretien-Pinochet should be charged with crimes against humanity."


2) In New York: "Yes, I think it is time to bomb Gilles Duceppe."


1) Texas Governor George W. Bush: I'm glad to have the support of Prime Minister Jean 'Poutine.


There are some more here:

http://www.angelfire.com/on3/Dillon/Tales/20010403.htm

stu
June 24th, 2001, 10:05
je mange de la poutine pour le dejeuner, c'est tres bon

Gayowulf
June 24th, 2001, 16:21
Ok. I am sorry. I just attempted a little humor. I am sorry if i offended anyone. Lets not discuss this anymore :)

Coolin
June 24th, 2001, 20:04
D'accord, la poutine est tres bonne. C'est fantastique!

stu
June 24th, 2001, 22:08
Gotta love Canada, eh?

Neo_Mitochondrian
June 24th, 2001, 23:01
I'm glad that I'm from Germany where we have never caused any problems. We Germans have always kept the peace.

Let us not forget how Americans are stereotyped. Well, is not really a stereotype, but more of a lack of knowledge, just like Americans have twoards other countries.

jason
June 24th, 2001, 23:41
yeah neo, the germans kept the peace alright. those jews were outta control.

Coolin
June 25th, 2001, 01:02
Originally posted by stu
Gotta love Canada, eh?
eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh? eh?
;)

lucifer
June 25th, 2001, 07:59
Originally posted by jason
yeah neo, the germans kept the peace alright. those jews were outta control.

I think germany tends to recognise the errors it has made in it's past and learn from them.

America sees itself as never having done anything wrong and being perfect- this is the problem with americans

land of the free - I think not

lucifer
June 25th, 2001, 09:15
I just got this in my inbox - I've seen it before but it tickles me



This is the transcript of the ACTUAL radio conversation
of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of
Newfoundland in October 1995.

Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-1995.

Canadians: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse.

Giancarlo
June 25th, 2001, 09:23
We Germans have always kept the peace

WWI? WWII?

Hey Lucifer, it looks like the Americans really hate the Canadians after reading that. They hate them so much they would crash their boats into rocks.

LastActionHero
June 25th, 2001, 09:26
Originally posted by lucifer
I just got this in my inbox - I've seen it before but it tickles me



This is the transcript of the ACTUAL radio conversation
of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of
Newfoundland in October 1995.

Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-1995.

Canadians: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse.

LOL typical of Americans. BTW since we are on this subject. DO you what/where India is? (my country). Do you know something about India? I would like to know what the world thinks of my country.

lucifer
June 25th, 2001, 09:42
India,

i love it been there a couple of times - big place :)

you have the best train system in the world


where in delhi are you? I know main bazar very well

LastActionHero
June 25th, 2001, 09:49
Hey cool , Well Delhi is a big big city and it has many big market places. And yes the Indian Rail Network is the biggest and one of the best in the world.

lucifer
June 25th, 2001, 10:05
I much prefer rural india to the big cities

I especially liked Kerala friendly people, good food big rice

India is a crazy place (from a westen perspective) :D

I don't like the trends towards westernism amoungst the middle classes - and the anti-indian ethos that goes with that.

LastActionHero
June 25th, 2001, 10:25
Well India is slowly getting westernized. The gap between villages and cities is increasing but poeple have started realizing that and slowly but surely villages are being developed. The people have realised that what they have to do they have to do it themselves.
Kerala is a beautiful state, it's calm quiet and really beautiful. First time visitors to India will just be surprised at the diversity in India.

Nobody is Anti-India here. But on the contrary, there is strong sense of patriotism and feeling to do something for one's country. Give us 10-15 years and we will be there! Already you can find Indians at all the important places in the countries that matter.

Giancarlo
June 25th, 2001, 11:04
India is a nation of 1 Billion people located between Pakistan, Burma and China. The Captial of India is New Delhi, which I heard bad things about... but the city of Mumbai is well marked. India was fighting a border war with Pakistan in Kashmir, and soon there may be a peace conference between Indian Leader Vajpayee (SP?) and the Pakistani President. India also has one of the highest number of Computer Programmers in the World and the high tech market in India is emerging.

lucifer
June 25th, 2001, 11:25
Originally posted by lastactionhero
Nobody is Anti-India here.

i've seen Indian adverts say things like NOT MADE IN INDIA as a sales pitch. - lots of educated indians leave india for the west as soon as they can

Canuckkev
June 25th, 2001, 11:29
Originally posted by WorldWarGeneral
hmm...is that really how other nations view Americans? I'm just curious. I know that was meant to be funny, but being serious, what is the general feeling towards America in other Nations?


I remember reading in the newspaper about how a television show from Canada came around and asked Amercians questions to point out how ignorant many are about Canada. Most Americans don't even know who Canada's prime minister is. (including my self. :o ), yet most people in Canada know who the American president is.

Everyone knows the American President. The election 'results' covered the whole front page of my newspaper. Every 'Canadian' news show had at least a 5 min section on the American presidential race. Now the US is a much more important country than Canada...but still. Many Canadians have more knowledge of Americans than many americans have of themselves.

Jay Leno's "Jay Walking" segments are always drawing blanks from students asked to name somebody as obvious as the current Vice President.

And yes, there was a show that this guy went around and interviewed people about things like "how Canada uses a 20 hour clock, and should they convert to a 24 hour clock". This got replies such as "a 20 hour clock? They should do it the American way!" Now if that isn't ignorant....

Yes, everyone around the world thinks Americans are ignorant. Except ignorant americans.:)

But that's okay. It is a great country to be neighbours with.

LastActionHero
June 25th, 2001, 11:40
Originally posted by lucifer


i've seen Indian adverts say things like NOT MADE IN INDIA as a sales pitch. - lots of educated indians leave india for the west as soon as they can

Personally I have never seen any ad which had that sales pitch, even it were shown on tv here, nobody would like it. Yes people are leaving to the US for higher studies becuase the education there is definetly better there than in India. But he numbers are going down. India has the best business school and the best technology college in Asia. And MIT is setting up a Media Lab in India ( the first in Asia)

Canuckkev
June 25th, 2001, 11:43
Here is something from an mp3 I got:

Hey, I'm not a lumberjack or a fur trader, but I believe Canadians live in an igloo, eat blubber, and own a dog sled. And I do watch Jerry, Sally, and Oprah. I have a president, not a prime minister, and he is so horny, he has screwed the whole country! I speak english, except for some of my imbred relatives! And I pronounce it about, not a boot. Cause a boot is something you wear with your dinner jacket. I can't proudly sew my countries flag on my backpack. I don't believe in peace keeping or policing! Although my brother, he's a state trooper, he fixed a ticket for me once. Diversity, assimilation, hell! I can't even spell the words! So how you expect me to know what they mean! And that beaver, wow, he was great with wally on that black and white tv show! If toque is one hat, what's a threeque? A front yard, it ain't the same without a chesterfield and three dogs. And it is pronounced Zee, not Zed. Zee, duhh! I mean, didn't you ever watch sesame street? Cananda is the second largest land mass, huh! My ---. But do you have a pancake house on every block? Canada may be the first nation of hockey, sure, but I can't watch it unless you got that blue dot on the puck. How am I sposed to see it?! We are the best part of north america, not you! And I am lucky if I can remember my name after drinking those strong Canadian beers we smuggled in our pick up truck over the border. I, am JOE! (But my brothers call me Sally, and I look damn good in a dress.) I AM A DUMBASS AMERICAN!!!

Neo_Mitochondrian
June 25th, 2001, 16:03
Originally posted by jason
yeah neo, the germans kept the peace alright. those jews were outta control.



Sarcasm is really lost on you guys.............

LeX
June 26th, 2001, 00:26
The impression India gives me is poor and crowdy and not really hygienic. And cows live better lives than Indians.

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 01:49
Originally posted by LeX
The impression India gives me is poor and crowdy and not really hygienic. And cows live better lives than Indians.

Yup that's the kind of impression most of the world has about us. A stereotype. India is no where near that impression. Maybe a 100 years ago it was but now it is THE fastest growing economy in the world. Consider this the USA took around 250-300 years to become what is today India has just taken 50 years to be what it is today and maybe just 15-20 years more to become a important country in world affairs. We are learning and we are growing.

Coolin
June 26th, 2001, 01:52
What's this Black Hole of Calcutta I hear of?

I think that's what spurs most of the stereotypes of India.

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 02:05
Originally posted by Coolin
What's this Black Hole of Calcutta I hear of?

I think that's what spurs most of the stereotypes of India.
:p

Black hole of calcutta? Never heard of it? Calcutta is a big metropolitan city. It's in the eastern part of India. Where did you hear about that phrase?

gyrbo
June 26th, 2001, 05:02
Originally posted by LeX
The impression India gives me is poor and crowdy and not really hygienic. And cow s live better lives than Indians.
Lucky supermoo went to New Sealand

lucifer
June 26th, 2001, 06:16
Originally posted by lastactionhero

India has just taken 50 years to be what it is today and maybe just 15-20 years more to become a important country in world affairs. We are learning and we are growing.

I thought india's history streched back further than that ;). It may be 50 years since the name change but that's not your entire history.

I think india is already an important country - India has contributed much to the world eg. chess, many words to english

india will get f****d by capitalism I fear. unemployment will be a major problem. Polution will increase - do people really need to be 'modern' and start using toilet paper?

On the subject of being dirty. Indians are on the whole very hygenic washing more regularly than their westen counterparts IMO.

calcutta black hole - see mother theresa (god bless her soul)

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 06:31
Yup it does have a history more than any other civilization on earth. But it has been only 50 years since we have been an independent country. Remember India in the past was not India as it is today. It was divided into various small parts. Has the USA been f***** by capitalism. It's survival of the fittest. The state ensures that people don't cheat in the game. Controlled capitalism.

Ozy
June 26th, 2001, 06:36
India is no where near that impression. Maybe a 100 years ago it was but now it is THE fastest growing economy in the world.

I have a lot of Indian friends and most of them agree. There is a percentage that lives in a good economic status (i think about 15-20%, i am not sure) but the great majority are still very poor and uneducated people.
Some of them consider that majority as something diferent from themselves. That those are the people to clean their cars and houses and things like that for close to nothing.

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 06:46
Yes the economic divide always exists in a growing economy. But it is coming down. The keyword is 'growing' Population is slowing down, literacy rate is increasing people are becoming more prosperous. India as in other Asian countries has very low labour rates because labour laws are not followed strictly and that is a shame. Labour laws will catch soon the right to better working conditions campaign is getting stronger here.

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 06:56
Originally posted by Ozy
Some of them consider that majority as something diferent from themselves. That those are the people to clean their cars and houses and things like that for close to nothing.

That is very shameful, yes there are some people like that, but they are the elite people or the politician's. The middle class is not like that.

lucifer
June 26th, 2001, 07:15
Originally posted by lastactionhero
Has the USA been f***** by capitalism. It's survival of the fittest. The state ensures that people don't cheat in the game. Controlled capitalism.

the USA is/was very different

huge resources / small population
expectations not too high (at the beginning - religious freedom etc.)

India

huge population
less resorces
everyone wants a TV/Car/Computer/washing machine.....

unemployment will skyrocket.
polution will go out of control
the rich will continue to abuse the poor

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 07:24
Originally posted by lucifer

the USA is/was very different

huge resources / small population
expectations not too high (at the beginning - religious freedom etc.)

India


huge population
coming down


less resorces
Huge resources but untapped.


everyone wants a TV/Car/Computer/washing machine.....
Indian's are very very competitve. They always get what they want.


polution will go out of control
As in the rest of the world. Don't forget the north american continent contributes the most to world pollution. Pollution can only be tackled by global action. No one country is too blame.


the rich will continue to abuse the poor
This is where labour laws and the state step in. Happening now.

lucifer
June 26th, 2001, 07:52
india's population is not coming down it is increasing!!!!!

resources - forests/water I see problems here

pollution

yep america causes loads - they are bad

this does not mean that india/china etc should try to copy them

the western model is f****d copying it will cause more problems

India is a divided country with super rich and totally poor - a couple of laws won't change that. coruption (though improving) is endemic.

I am not saying that india should not have these things but they must realise that the inpact of them will be huge and very difficult to reverse.

it is the small changes - the trains used to have tea/coffee served in those little clay pots (providing work to many) which biodegraded. Now they have horrid plastic ones that provide little employment in production and end up covering the whole country in undegrading plastic.

India needs to find it's own solutions - but many in power are ignorant people who do not understand the issues and do things motivated by money (oh that's taken us back to america and president bush :))

the western dream is a sham brought to you by hollywood.

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 09:00
rightly said No point blindly aping the west. The main problem facing India now is corruption.

BTW India's population growth has dropped by 2% from 3.51% to 1.51% in the last 10 years. Biodegradable materials cost atleast 100% more than plastic. Economics of cost. But pollution is there i agree on that.

Seems like you know a lot about India. :) Where are you from?

lucifer
June 26th, 2001, 09:31
Originally posted by lastactionhero
Biodegradable materials cost atleast 100% more than plastic. Economics of cost. But pollution is there i agree on that.

Seems like you know a lot about India. :) Where are you from?

the clay pots support local industries/workers

OK it's not good work but how many people are employed breaking rocks (lots :))

I'm not sure on india's oil reserves but the plastic is possibly imported and in any case is machine not man made so increases unemployment.

where am I from 'this universe' I move about :D

I need to know 'what happened to raj kumar?'

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 09:41
Originally posted by lucifer

I need to know 'what happened to raj kumar?'

Is that a hint or you asking me a question. If that is a hint I think I can guess where you are from. If that is a question then the answer is 'he is dead. He died about 5-6 years back. (Assuming you are talking about the actor Raj Kumar).'

lucifer
June 26th, 2001, 09:46
Originally posted by lastactionhero
He died about 5-6 years back. (Assuming you are talking about the actor Raj Kumar).'

can't be possible he was kidnapped by veerapan (sp?) about a year ago - I was in bangalore at the time and followed the story for a couple of months before loosing touch with it. It has always bothered me that I didn't find out what happened.


is veerapan still on the loose?

LastActionHero
June 26th, 2001, 09:50
OK so you are talking about the other actor Raj Kumar? He is hale and hearty, back to business for him. Nobody exactly knows the inside story of how he was released. Veerapan is roaming free in the jungles. He is the local Robin Hood. The people there are with him. So it will be many years until he is caught. You came to Bangalore on business? You should come now, everybody in bangalore is sulking.

lucifer
June 26th, 2001, 09:56
I was there visiting friends but all the excitement of Raj Kumar caused the city to decend into semi-rioting one of them baht(sp?) respect things :confused:

closed all the bars :( but was interesting to witness

kojiro
June 27th, 2001, 03:40
I am sorry but I have this preconceived notion that indians dont take a bath regularly. By regularly I mean EVERYDAY!

I can't imagine going out without taking a shower at least.

LastActionHero
June 27th, 2001, 06:21
LOL That is absurd. Indians do take a bath everyday of the week. Who wouldn't? Who would want to stink?

LeX
June 27th, 2001, 08:07
Originally posted by lastactionhero
Who wouldn't? Who would want to stink?
Uhh..... :o Indians? :p

LastActionHero
June 27th, 2001, 10:14
Originally posted by LeX

Uhh..... :o Indians? :p

Nope. Wrong notion. :)

stu
June 27th, 2001, 10:18
What's with the Ganges River? I don't quite understand what goes on there..

LastActionHero
June 27th, 2001, 10:33
Well, the Ganges is the biggest river in India. It is considered as a holy river by the Hindus. The Hindus believe that if they take a dip in the Ganges then it purifies them and all sins are washed out. Some of the major cities of India are situated on the banks of the Ganges river.

stu
June 27th, 2001, 11:22
oh ok.. I heard other things... I won't bring them up though, don't want to provoke something..

LastActionHero
June 27th, 2001, 11:26
Just PM me and I'll clarify your doubts.

WorldWarGeneral
June 27th, 2001, 20:34
My spanish teacher was telling us about how a lot of people in Spain don't bathe everyday, or wash their clothes after every wearing. I guess many Spaniards think Americans can be too clean - by washing themselves too often and waste water by washing clothes all the time. Not sure if that's totally true (I've never been to Spain) but that's what she told us. :)

Wasn't there something on the news lately about the rising cases of Asthma in children being related to an enviorment that is almost too clean?

Giancarlo
June 27th, 2001, 20:46
My spanish teacher was telling us about how a lot of people in Spain don't bathe everyday, or wash their clothes after every wearing. I guess many Spaniards think Americans can be too clean - by washing themselves too often and waste water by washing clothes all the time. Not sure if that's totally true (I've never been to Spain) but that's what she told us.

That isn't true! I am Spanish myself. People in Spain are more clean than other Europeans in my opinion.

Gayowulf
June 27th, 2001, 22:56
The Ganja river??

I have found, in my travels, people are generally cleaner where and when water is readily available. there were some dirty people in inland Mexico.

lucifer
June 28th, 2001, 05:10
I'm sure every country has a bunch of smelly people in it somewhere.

But surprisingly most people everywhere wash if they can.

which country shall we pick on next?

being in too clean an environment has been linked to many auto-immune responses such as asthma and eczema but this is more about disinfectants than soap.

WorldWarGeneral
June 28th, 2001, 06:51
:o
Sorry - my mistake. I don't have anything against Spain or any spanish speaking country, or spanish speaking people. That's just what I was told. Maybe she's crazy, I don't know. I've never been there, so I can't speak from personal experience. Never meant to offend.

Giancarlo
June 28th, 2001, 07:20
Oh, it didn't offend me... because the Spanish were like that a hundred years ago and back. I make mistakes about other cultures myself sometimes.

meow
June 30th, 2001, 12:53
Originally posted by Giancarlo
That isn't true! I am Spanish myself. People in Spain are more clean than other Europeans in my opinion.

Oh thank you, thank you, o cleaner person.

What you are talking about is probably that the way we clean ourselves vary. Some prefer to take a bath. Here shower is more common. In places with limited supply of water I imagine a washing cloth is a good alterative.

And oh yeah. We are way too clean. Easy victims for every new bacteria or virus.

stu
June 30th, 2001, 14:06
I read stuff about how some hand disinfectant soaps kill the natural bacteria off your hand. That natural bacteria helps against foreign germs and stuff.

meow
June 30th, 2001, 14:36
Yeah. Uh, I don't know what this is called in English. Here it's "hospital decease". You know, resistant bacteria that occur in hospitals due to the overuse of antiseptics and antibiotics. The bacteria mutates, becomes more and more resistant and the ball is rolling. This is a example of "the survival of the fittest" that was mentioned on the other thread. The bacteria that can survive the anticeptics reproduces and on and on it goes.

I'm going to bed without washing tonight! ;)

Giancarlo
June 30th, 2001, 14:39
You are seriously misinterpreting what I meant by my statements I have made earlier. I am too tired to talk about anything right now.

meow
June 30th, 2001, 14:55
Me? What do you mean? If this has to do with you I've missed that. We are talking about resistant bacteria.