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Ben
March 11th, 2005, 16:12
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050311/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_shooting


Three Shot to Death at Ga. Courthouse

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By HARRY WEBER, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA - A judge presiding over a rape trial was shot to death Friday along with two other people at the Fulton County Courthouse, authorities said. A fourth person was critically wounded and the suspect, the defendant at the trial, remained at large hours later.

Lt. Gov. Mark Taylor confirmed that Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes and his court reporter were killed. He gave no other details in announcing the deaths in the state Senate. A deputy died later at a hospital, authorities said.

Witnesses said the gunman carjacked a car and authorities were searching for a green Honda Accord that was hijacked from a newspaper reporter.

Fulton County Sheriff's Lt. Clarence Huber identified the suspect as 33-year-old Brian Nichols, who was on trial on rape and other charges stemming from an incident in August.

The suspect got the gun by overpowering a sheriff's deputy while he was being escorted within the courthouse, Assistant Police Chief Alan Dreher said. He then went to the courtroom, held about a dozen people there at bay for a short time and then shot and killed the judge and court reporter, he said.

Another deputy was later killed outside the courthouse.

"We are working very diligently to bring the suspect to justice," Dreher said at a midafternoon briefing. Details are still being sorted out; the injured deputy was under sedation, he said. Doctors had said she was wounded in the head.

The people in the courtroom were there for routine civil matters; Nichols was being brought there for the planned resumption of his trial, Dreher said.

"We heard some noise. It sounded like three or four shots. At the time, we thought it was just an engine backfiring," said Chuck Cole, a civil defense attorney who was in an adjoining parking deck when he heard gunfire at around 9:10 a.m.

The sheriff's deputy shot outside the building died at Grady Hospital of an abdominal wound and the other was in critical condition but expected to survive, the hospital said.

"I saw one person on the street that they were performing CPR on," said court reporter Amy McKee.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Don O'Briant, a features reporter for the paper, was beaten by the suspect and carjacked outside the courthouse. O'Briant was taken to Grady.

All the judges in the building were locked in their chambers. The courthouse and other buildings in downtown Atlanta were on lockdown. Schools around the area were also put on lockdown.

Traffic in the blocks surrounding the courthouse was backed up as police cruisers flooded the area.

James Bailey, a juror at Nichols' trial, said the jury was not in the courtroom at the time of the shooting. Bailey said Nichols had made him and other jurors nervous. "Every time he looked up, he was staring at you," Bailey said. He said Barnes was the presiding judge.

Barnes was named to the Fulton County Superior Court bench in 1998.

Among cases he handled was the fatal 2003 car wreck by hockey star Dany Heatley that killed 25-year-old teammate Dan Snyder. Heatley pleaded guilty and was sentenced Feb. 4 to three years on probation and ordered to give 150 speeches about the dangers of speeding.

Barnes, 64, also drew attention last month when he took the unusual step of ordering a mother of seven who pleaded guilty to killing her 5-week-old daughter to undergo a medical procedure that would prevent her from having more children.

The shooting happened 11 days after the husband and elderly mother of a federal judge in Chicago were shot to death in her home. A man whose medical malpractice lawsuit was dismissed by the judge committed suicide and left a note saying he was the killer.

My school was one of the many locked down today. Local news channels also say he was last spotted in the same area I live in. :eek2:

bozley05
March 11th, 2005, 17:59
That's no good. But I guess that is what you get in a country where just about everyone has a gun. When are you guys gonna reform your gun laws already, and why not seatbelts while you're at it.

Wojtek
March 11th, 2005, 18:29
he took the gun of the dudette that was escorting him to the courtroom, nothing to do with personnal gun possesion

bozley05
March 11th, 2005, 18:31
The suspect got the gun by overpowering a sheriff's deputy while he was being escorted within the courthouse

heh. i must have overlooked that bit. still, USA needs gun law reforms.

Wojtek
March 11th, 2005, 18:41
heh, Walmart sells guns

bozley05
March 11th, 2005, 18:46
I thought you were joking, but:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3170028&cat=136858&type=21&dept=4125&path=0%3A4125%3A4155%3A136858&xsell=3207152

LMAO!!!

Wojtek
March 11th, 2005, 18:54
I saw small handguns too while on my trip to the states, not only hunting gear. And they aint even behind a glass window. like that, loose on the shelfs heh

Daniel
March 11th, 2005, 20:32
heh. i must have overlooked that bit. still, USA needs gun law reforms.

It will never pass. The NRA controls the senate on gun issues. Look how much trouble Bill Clinton went to get the automatic assault rifles banned...and the bill just only recently expired...

Acquiring a gun(read: legal) in the States is similar to in Canada, you fill out forms, get a background check done, take courses on how to handle a firearm, and finally purchase the gun. Too bad most people don't bother.

niv
March 12th, 2005, 03:49
Also many Americans are generally stupid, violent, and like seeing spilled blood (as long as its not their own). And yet capital punishment doesn't seem to make 'em stop :p

bozley05
March 12th, 2005, 06:42
Considering how patriotic you mob are, you sure love dissing your own.

tandoc
March 12th, 2005, 06:44
Yeah, but all generalisations are incorrect. Or was it correct. I don't know.

niv
March 12th, 2005, 11:01
I'm not patriotic...at least the stupid Christian right and others would assume so. But what does it mean to be patriotic? I have my own way...being very wary and questioning :p

bozley05
March 12th, 2005, 17:13
They caught the guy, woohoo!

niv
March 12th, 2005, 18:28
Hope he gets the chair :p

bozley05
March 12th, 2005, 18:31
For killing a judge and a deputy, for sure. As long as it's allowed in Georgia state law.

Blank Verse
March 13th, 2005, 02:51
I can't believe this is the same judge that did the Dany Heatley case...small world we live in.

Webdude
March 13th, 2005, 20:31
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3138518&cat=170125&type=1&dept=4125&path=0%3A4125%3A4155%3A170080%3A170083%3A170125

The only gun I ever bought at Walmart, except mine is wood stock.

Anyway, how'd this guy get the gun in the first place from the other guy? Arnt they supposed to escort people opposite of the side arm? And dont they have straps holding the gun in place? On top of that, arent prisoners supposed to be cuffed during this time? All this makes me wonder about the guy escorting him...


Also many Americans are generally stupid, violent, and like seeing spilled blood.

At first I misread this and was going to jump you for it. Didnt see the "also many" in front. Many are, most arent. You have them in all countries, not just America. The background checks arent what they are cracked up to be. When I bought that one two years ago, the cashier called it in, but it was more of a "report" that the gun was being purchased and by whom as they did it too fast. The guy was only on the phone for about a minute....not enough time for the guy on the other end to run a check and give approval. To be truthful, I became fairly disappointed with the system right then and there. It should have taken a couple of days to be approved. I can only imagine what idiots have gotten guns because of this.

As someone who's well trained and raised with guns, my kids are well trained and have respect for guns, it's disappointing to see how easy it is to get thru the system for anyone. Personally I think you should be required to show proof of at least a 6wk gun training course from a legit training facility to be approved for a gun.

Daniel
March 13th, 2005, 21:20
Personally I think you should be required to show proof of at least a 6wk gun training course from a legit training facility to be approved for a gun.

The NRA would so veto that...

Wojtek
March 13th, 2005, 22:50
Webdude, the other guy was a Woman
might explain how he 'overpowered a sherif's deputy' :p

but that dosnt mean female police officers are bad, ki :)

niv
March 14th, 2005, 00:55
Well, a scrawny deputy shouldn't be handling a dangerous muscular felon, no? :|

Ben
March 14th, 2005, 16:25
As someone who's well trained and raised with guns, my kids are well trained and have respect for guns, it's disappointing to see how easy it is to get thru the system for anyone.
I was also raised around guns (hell, my family's a bunch of crazy-*ss swamp cajuns), and to be honest I think the only way for people to respect and learn how to handle guns is just that: to be exposed to them.

bozley05
March 14th, 2005, 17:31
Or you can just never see a gun in your life like me, that way you know you will never get in trouble.