Today is the deadline to sign up at directoris.com for that special deal...

[curiousity]

Is anyone going to sign up with them today? I was about the sign up with both 9kd.net and directoris.com. But I was glad that I did not sign up with 9kd.net and saved myself $15. But what about directoris? I am somewhat worry about them also after the 9kd.net fiasco. But it is only $14, so is it worth it?

[Fox]

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[jiminsd]

I have to wonder... During this sign up period (when they are collecting the $14 sign up fee) I have read a number of times that their server has been having down times. What will they be like when the money stops coming in for these accounts on the Don Host server? They have plans on selling regular hosting on another server (not with Don Host) but why would they continue to service these accounts without any more income... ever. I think they mean well but it just don’t make sense. The logical conclusion is that the service will get worse and then die. The real question is how long will that be?

At least 9kd.net had a plan (poor as it may have been) where the money would keep coming each year.

[YUPAPA]

I do not know how 9kd and directoris cover the cost for the reseller package

14 dollar for a new account!
if 5GB of bandwidth X 10 User = 50GB already!

10X14 = 140USD... Donhost reseller package is about 630USD

630USD - 140USD = 490USD

Maybe they have another source of income besides web hosting?

[gyrbo]

They offer also webdesign. And directoris has sites all over the globe. They do have downtimes. But have great support.
Anyway, I'm planning on transfering out.

[meow]

When (if) they get their own server they well of course move the accounts with them.
The downtime isn't due to Directoris but to Donhost that has a problem server and seems to be stalling instead of fixing. This concerns several hosts.

That was the defense. Here comes the bad. Have you seen their new plan? Now it's $35 one time fee until December 31. OK, the accounts you get now is much smaller, but still, not what one would have expected, huh? :confused:

[jiminsd]

Originally posted by meow
When (if) they get their own server they well of course move the accounts with them.

I don't understand this???

They are going to move these (none paying) accounts onto a server that they will buy and continue to service them free for life? And now they are offering newer plan (again for life) and transfer them too??? How are they going to pay for this server?

Originally, their post on WebHostingTalk said that their goal was to give away some accounts to build up some good will and then sell regular hosting after this period. I did consider going with them as a lark. But now I see now they are selling more of these "free" accounts (now for $35). They lied.

This is beginning to look like some type a pyramid scheme. Buyer beware!

Get ready for the next Tacid/9kd crash!

[meow]

Yeah, this new plan doesn't look good. A guess is (would be for any business that did something like this) that he needs fresh capital fast. Hopefully it's for invertments (the new server) and not to cover losses.

I don't understand your problem with what will happen to the current accounts though? They aren't like glued to donhost.

[jiminsd]

Hi meow...

Not glued to donhost but I'm guessing that donhost has some of the cheapest servers out there for resellers. So why go through all of the agrivation and expense to move these none paying "free" accounts to a more expensive server? They certainly are not moving to a noc that would be far more reliable and costs more. Are they going to go out an buy their own server and hire a staff to watch over it 24 hrs per day? There is no more money in these accounts for them. Each new $35 account will be like found money but ... same problem, where is the ongoing expense going to be covered from?

To me, the only logical conclusion is to leave the accounts where they are until they decide that it's time to pull the plug on the current server. That will probably be when the new orders for the $35 accounts dry up.

My thought is for you is to enjoy it while you got it. $14 might buy you six months... still a fair deal for you and a bad deal for the $35 accounts.

[meow]

Aha.You mean if they are really bad and close shop altogether, take whatever dough there is and start up under another name with a new company?

If they just move to another server and drop old accounts they would violate the deal we have with them. That would be very bad karma indeed. I imagine a host that did that would have a hard time to find new customers. Not even tacidblue tried that one. Have you heard of this happening any time?

No, I don't believe in that scenario. They wouldn't stand a day in court if they did that. I don't like the recent development but I'm still happy I got in. As I said at the time I see it as a lottery ticket. If they just stay up I've made a good deal. If they turn out to be a successful host I've really made it. If they die tomorrow I've got two months hosting for $14. About what I would have paid elsewhere. But I hope they don't die. ;)

After all Vincent said he did this because of the free advertising he would get from the free riders. Imagine the bad advertisement he would get from the same people and more if he dumped us. BTW we haven't seen if they will get their own server yet. ;)

[LastActionHero]

Vincent told me they are getting a new server in 30 days. And for some strange reason he won't change my MX record to point to everyone.net :mad: :mad: :mad: He says they had problems in the past :rolleyes: :mad: He said he will do it once the new servers come in.

And I think the downtime is not due to directoris. Donhos't server 6 is really ----ed up.

[LastActionHero]

Vincent has already put in a lot of time and money into this project so he will the person at loss (Personal nameservers cost a lot at donhost) although my guess is he has already recovered the money from all the sign-ups. He himself told me just few days before that they are experiencing a rush and are creating 100's of account .
$14 * 100 signups(at the least) = $1400 now that's a lot of money. He can very well go and buy a dedicated server.

[meow]

Hey! What new server are we talking about here? Their own server they have mentioned earlier, meaning they will leave donhost or just something to get those Windows accounts going?

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by meow
Hey! What new server are we talking about here? Their own server they have mentioned earlier, meaning they will leave donhost or just something to get those Windows accounts going?

He didn't specify anything. Wait a min I'll retrieve the mail...
Here you go.


Regarding Everyone.net we have stopped doing the MX records updates for the
moment, until we get our new server up and running (within 30 days). We had
some problems earlier...


Please, be patient and you'll get what you need soon. :)

After this mail he hasn't responded to a single mail of mine. And it has been more than 36 hours.

[meow]

Afraid "a new server" may be referring to the win one. Earlier he said their own server would be at the end of the year.

I pinged them just now (the URL I gave you)

69 bytes of data
30 packets received/30 transmitted : 0% PACKET LOSS
Round Trip Time (in milliseconds) Max/Min/Av: 235/206/221

This is about as slow as they get for me.

[curiousity]

Hello guys,

Can you guys explain to me something?

How can you ping a website to find out its speed?

And once you get the data, how do you interpret it? Meow, I see that you have the ping data up there but I don't fully understand it yet. I am new at this ping thing. Can anyone help explain it in an easy and concise manner? Thanks a lot.

[LastActionHero]

Assuming you have windows
open a command prompt
type in

ping hostname eg ping www.directoris.com
you will get something like this


Pinging directoris.com [195.10.228.132] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.10.228.132: bytes=32 time=892ms TTL=233
Reply from 195.10.228.132: bytes=32 time=866ms TTL=233
Reply from 195.10.228.132: bytes=32 time=886ms TTL=233
Reply from 195.10.228.132: bytes=32 time=889ms TTL=233

Ping statistics for 195.10.228.132:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 866ms, Maximum = 892ms, Average = 883ms


The ping program send outs packets from your computer to the host computer and calculates the amount of time the packet takes to return to your computer. More the time, usually greater the time to load your site. I think the rest you can understand.

Meow: that is my ping for directoris.com, your site -> request timed out. :confused:

[meow]

I don't fully understand it either, but I can tell the little I know (hope I get it right now :p).

When you "ping" a small packet is sent several times to the URL. The utility I use let me set the size of the package (just a text string) and how many times it should be sent. When it's done I know the max time, the minimum time and the average time for the transfers. It also tells me if any packets were lost.

You can check TJPing out if you want. It has some more fun features and is easy to use. Looks neat too. (Free and paid version)
http://www.topjimmy.net/tjs/

[meow]

We posted at the same time again. :D

The problem must be in your end. Maybe your ISP has screwed something up. You couldn't mail me either.

[meow]

Hey lastaction! Try some other servers you know are in UK. Can be something on the way too. Trace a couple and see.

[LastActionHero]

That ping is sooo high because the packet travels more than half wasy around the world. First it lands at Singapore then it is sent to the US west coast from there to east coast then to london and then to the datacenter. So the response time should naturally be higher. But in your case since you are in europe it should only be an average of 100-150ms. 250 is too high.

[meow]

Nope. Nothing pings under 200 for me (with this standard packet I use). I think 197 is the fastest I've seen.

[Canuckkev]

I got an average of 192 for directoris. BTW, the offer is good till Dec, 2001.

EDIT

Ahh, now it is $35. Why didn't I sign up when it was 14? Now it all makes sense what you were talking about.

[ET]

I used Visual route,

here what i got:

Roundtrip time to www.directoris.com (195.10.228.132) average = 809ms min = 797ms max = 813ms (point to london,UK)

Roundtrip time to www.f2s.com (194.106.56.38) average = 802ms min = 797ms max = 812ms (point to london,UK)

Roundtrip time to www.geocities.com/www.yahoo.com (204.71.200.67) average = 650ms min = 641ms max = 656ms(point to Santa Clara,US)

Roundtrip time to www.tera-byte.com (216.234.161.11) average = 755ms min = 750ms max = 765ms (point to Edmonton,Canada)

Roundtrip time to www.host.sk (195.46.64.12) average = 936ms min = 890ms max = 1453ms (point to Bratislava, Slovakia)

it seems not bad from here :)

I bought directoris.com on 30 July 2001, even though they said the offer closed on 29 July 2001



Jogja - Never Ending Asia

[meow]

Hey, you get the same as me. f2s pings better than Dierectoris and most others but they are _not_ faster. Heck no.

June 30 - was that GMT 0 or your time zone. Just curious. ;)

[curiousity]

Originally posted by ET
I used Visual route,

here what i got:

Roundtrip time to www.directoris.com (195.10.228.132) average = 809ms min = 797ms max = 813ms (point to london,UK)

Roundtrip time to www.f2s.com (194.106.56.38) average = 802ms min = 797ms max = 812ms (point to london,UK)

Roundtrip time to www.geocities.com/www.yahoo.com (204.71.200.67) average = 650ms min = 641ms max = 656ms(point to Santa Clara,US)

Roundtrip time to www.tera-byte.com (216.234.161.11) average = 755ms min = 750ms max = 765ms (point to Edmonton,Canada)

Roundtrip time to www.host.sk (195.46.64.12) average = 936ms min = 890ms max = 1453ms (point to Bratislava, Slovakia)

it seems not bad from here :)

I bought directoris.com on 30 July 2001, even though they said the offer closed on 29 July 2001



Jogja - Never Ending Asia

How can you test the speed of http://www.discount-hosting.com

I know that they are fast from observation, but how do I get the actually speed number like you have above? Thanks.

[meow]

Either use the DOS prompt as lastactionhero suggested:
ping www.discount-hosting.com (enter)
or use a special tool. The advantage of for instance TJPing is that you can ping consciously for a longer time and keep a log which makes it easier to compare.
Or better still, go to discount-hosting's board and find the URL to a site hosted there and ping that one.

Right now I get (69 bytes):
Pinging www.directoris.com [195.10.228.132]....
30 packets received/30 transmitted : 0% PACKET LOSS
Round Trip Time (in milliseconds) Max/Min/Av: 238/206/220

Pinging www.discount-hosting.com [216.167.124.62]....
30 packets received/30 transmitted : 0% PACKET LOSS
Round Trip Time (in milliseconds) Max/Min/Av: 323/276/293

Pinging www.freewebspace.net [66.33.36.33]....
30 packets received/30 transmitted : 0% PACKET LOSS
Round Trip Time (in milliseconds) Max/Min/Av: 339/307/322

[Laughman]

Hmm when I review the forum guidelines I get:

There seems to have been a slight problem with the database. Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser.

An E-Mail has been dispatched to our Technical Staff, who you can also contact if the problem persists.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

Nice guidelines ;)

[icanttype]

I'm trying to learn a little PHP, so I made the script below to test the speed of the servers. Here are the results from California...

directoris.com:
Sent 1.00MB in 19.4558 seconds.
Speed: 52.63KB/s (421.06kbps)

f2s.com:
Sent 1.00MB in 314.2722 seconds.
Speed: 3.26KB/s (26.07kbps)

local (running IIS 5):
Sent 1.00MB in 0.7510 seconds.
Speed: 1.33MB/s (10.65mbps)

Can someone else run it in other servers? Just curious...



<?php
define('TEST_LENGTH', 1024);

function GetMicroTime()
{
list($usec, $sec) = explode(" ",microtime());
return ((float)$usec + (float)$sec);
}

header("Pragma: no-cache");
echo("<!--\n");
$onek = str_repeat('0', 1020) . '<br>';
$start = GetMicroTime();
for ($i = 0; $i < TEST_LENGTH; $i++) {
echo($onek);
}
$elapsed = GetMicroTime() - $start;
$speed = TEST_LENGTH/$elapsed;
echo("\n-->");
printf("<br>Sent %.2fMB in %.4f seconds.<br>Speed: ", TEST_LENGTH/1024, $elapsed);
if ($speed >= 1024) {
printf("%.2fMB/s", $speed/1024);
} else {
printf("%.2fKB/s", $speed);
}
$speed *= 8;
if ($speed >= 1024) {
printf(" (%.2fmbps)<br>", $speed/1024);
} else {
printf(" (%.2fkbps)<br>", $speed);
}
?>

[gyrbo]

Wow, pretty need script. Did you wrote it by yourself? Is it copyrighted?

[icanttype]

Yup, I did it by myself. It's not copyrighted use it as you wish, I don't mind. :)

[curiousity]

icanttype,

So what do I do with your script? Do I just copy and paste that script and make it into a .php file and upload it into my webhost and run that script? Then after I run that script, will it give you that data info about the speed like you just post above. I am planning to test out the speed of http://www.discount-hosting.com


P.S. Do you have an account at directoris? (in order for you to test the speed of directoris like I have seen in your previous post here at this thread).

[icanttype]

Yes, do it like that. To run, view it like any other page.

I got an account at directoris on the 29th... Still thinking of what I should actually do with it. :)

[curiousity]

Ha ha ha, me too. I signed up on the last day on June 29, and I still have not upload any files in it yet. :D I will do it tomorrow, I think.

Hope my $14 was put in good use. :D

[curiousity]

So now I have 2 of the cheapest hosting on the internet. One is http://www.discount-hosting.com and the other one is http://directoris.com

I almost signed up for 9kd.net but was glad that I did not. I wonder how long directoris will last? Hope it will last for 10 years at least :D

[curiousity]

This is what I got at my http://www.discount-hosting.com


Sent 1.00MB in 9.5892 seconds.
Speed: 106.79KB/s (854.29kbps)

Second repeat test:

Sent 1.00MB in 10.7694 seconds.
Speed: 95.08KB/s (760.67kbps)

-----------------------------------------------------
At Yupapa.com:

Sent 1.00MB in 26.8214 seconds.
Speed: 38.18KB/s (305.43kbps)

Second repeat test:

Sent 1.00MB in 25.0027 seconds.
Speed: 40.96KB/s (327.64kbps)


-----------------------------------------------------

At Directoris.com

Sent 1.00MB in 22.5507 seconds.
Speed: 45.41KB/s (363.27kbps)

Second repeat test:

Sent 1.00MB in 28.8705 seconds.
Speed: 35.47KB/s (283.75kbps)


I am testing the speed using a LAN network system at a university. I did not test it using the 56K modem. I am located in California, USA

[icanttype]

Nice speed on discount-hosting... I'll have to remember them next time. But directoris didn't do too badly either. Not too bad for 14 bucks. :) My test was from a 1.5mbps-down ADSL btw.

Oh, I don't suppose we can telnet into directoris can we? Every so often, I just need to make little changes and I'm getting annoyed at FTPing things again and again.