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Robert

July 3rd, 2001, 12:01

Originally posted by Giancarlo
You still don't understand do you? There is no such thing as unmetered space... hard drives will fill up faster than revenue is being made, ask any person here. I been looking at webhosts for four years and have experience, and knowledge about what kind of host can sustain itself.

If a company wants to allow unmetered space than let them. Hard drives are cheap. A 60GB hard drive at warehouse cost is abount $40 dollars, I help at a PC-Store and that's how much we get them for down here in Miami. Unmetered is possible, they don't care how much space you use, as long as you pay them on time that's fine. Unlimited..well eventually you'll need to replace the hard drive. But unmetered, where they don't set a quota and continue to replace hard drives.. simple. We aren't talking about many revenue, sure you may run out of cash and not afford to purchase another hard drive, but offering unmetered space is possible.

I don't believe in unlimited or unmetered bandwidth, the cost there is way to expensive.

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 12:04

A 60GB hard drive at warehouse cost is abount $40 dollars

I don't think so, I order my things Wholesale, and a 40GB hard drive is $115.

But unmetered, where they don't set a quota and continue to replace hard drives.. simple[.

Wrong, Exactly how many hard drives can they stack before they run out of space? And Hard drives are not that cheap, unmetered space could be 100GB for one person and that could drain everything.

Offering unmetered space is impossible, because there is no such thing. The Hard Drives will fill up faster and be more expensive then what revenue is pulled in.

YUPAPA

July 3rd, 2001, 12:10

OKOK... STOP...
I don't think anyone should talk to him because he insists on saying everything we said is wrong!

Robert

July 3rd, 2001, 12:17

I help repair and build computers at a local PC-Store called PC-Touch. We sell 60GB hard drives for less than $100 dollars but we purchase them at wholesale prices (at warehouses) for $40-50 dollars.

Your right Yupapa!

That's all I'm saying.

bigperm

July 3rd, 2001, 12:31

Wrong, Exactly how many hard drives can they stack before they run out of space? And Hard drives are not that cheap, unmetered space could be 100GB for one person and that could drain everything. Very few sites use that much space a all. That's why they can do that. if 80% of their site only use 100mb or less, they can handle the 5gb plans that people like yupapa offer.

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 12:34

Yes but there are sites that do and those eat up space and bandwitdh. I suggest signing up Aletia. And Robert, I still don't think so, 40GB cost $100 Wholesale, from the cheapest place I know.

Strange that all that disagree with me are from the Freedom Team... you should remain it to the Being Wrong Team?

Robert

July 3rd, 2001, 12:37

bigperm

July 3rd, 2001, 12:38

13 members of the Freedom Team vs. 1 Giancarlo... and you think we are the ones who are wrong? And I am sure that wholesale is around 40-50 bucks...

Robert

July 3rd, 2001, 12:43

When I say wholesale, I mean from warehouses that mainly do exports. Of course if you purchase from a company that sells to mainly people within the U.S., the prices will be higher.

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 12:45

Most of the warehouses down here in Miami do exports of computer products. That's why it's so cheap. They export to other countries like Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Venezuela and such. A $200 dollar printer in the U.S. can run for at least $600-$1,000 dollars in Brazil. (My neighbor does exports of computers and equipment to Brazil).

I order all my things off a wholesale site, not from Argentina. The Damned VAT Is 21%.

and you think we are the ones who are wrong?

You are wrong, you don't have evidence to back up anything of what you say. Neither do I, but at least you could prove something

Well anyways, good bye, I am out of this discussion about Unrealistic Unlimited Webspace hosts, I know they don't exist and 85% of the people on this board tend to agree, unfornately there is this sad bunch of 13 people who are always wrong.

Chao.

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 12:56

Hey bigperm,

i was just looking at the "freedom team" website, you want some freehosting? i can give you 100mb, 1gb if you want. F2s seems to slow :(

Originally posted by bigperm
13 members of the Freedom Team vs. 1 Giancarlo... and you think we are the ones who are wrong? And I am sure that wholesale is around 40-50 bucks...

YUPAPA

July 3rd, 2001, 13:18

Is that free?
FREEDOM TEAM stands for "FREE + FREEDOM", so he can't pay for 100MB of space!

Robert

July 3rd, 2001, 13:28

Ya.. I was just thinking the same thing ValuableHost, f2s.com today seems to be slooowwww..

And Yupapa, lol he said freehosting. lol.

bigperm

July 3rd, 2001, 13:41

Yeah... f2s are pretty slow... today esp.

bigperm

July 3rd, 2001, 13:43

Oh yeah... and now we have 14 members... thanks to valuable host. This is the biggest team isn't it? Oh yeah, it is... Best too.

::Back to topic::

I am sure that donhost buys a whole lot of hardrives at the same time (which, by definition is wholesale) and would get a lot better price than some kid in argentina who buys one.

stu

July 3rd, 2001, 13:51

Price really depends on how far you go into the distribution chain and how many you buy. The more the cheaper, and the closer to the actual manufacturer, the cheaper. Prices for parts in general can go insanely cheap. I've seen some of the major wholesalers who can sell parts for almost less that 30% of the retail price, but you have to buy large quantities.

Actually, $100 for a 40GB HD isn't too good of a wholesale deal. I can just drop by my local computer store where a friend can hook me up.. Or I can always go to that white van in the dark alley, and get super deals :D

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 13:58

Yes, i said free, if you are interested bigperm, contact me and i'll set it up for you straight away :) thanks btw ;)

Originally posted by YUPAPA
Is that free?
FREEDOM TEAM stands for "FREE + FREEDOM", so he can't pay for 100MB of space!

Technics

July 3rd, 2001, 14:21

Can i have FreeHosting too :D

Neverm1nd

July 3rd, 2001, 14:26

Originally posted by bigperm
13 members of the Freedom Team vs. 1 Giancarlo... and you think we are the ones who are wrong? And I am sure that wholesale is around 40-50 bucks...

Are there any other teams than the Freedom Team??
Anyway, I seem to be the online one to agree with Giancarlo.. I don't believe Yupapa will last for long... we'll see who's right in a few months.

Grtz,
Nevermind

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 14:31

Hehehe Technics :) are you a non profit org? and what is the cause?

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

Originally posted by Technics
Can i have FreeHosting too :D

Technics

July 3rd, 2001, 14:54

It's non-profit. It's for a social services site im setting up or have been doing for 12 months www.edproject.co.uk ... nothing there www.jmnetics.com made me a nice design for the site though.

bigperm

July 3rd, 2001, 15:29

I contacted them!!

Hi.

I am not entirely sure, we use 36Gb Ultra 160 disks, I believe these are in the region of £250 each.

Kind Regards,

Adam Tinsley
Donhost Ltd.

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Tel: +44 (0)800 956 7642
Fax: +44 (0)8707 41 51 07
http://www.donhost.co.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Ringeisen [mailto:bigpermnc@yahoo.com]
Sent: 03 July 2001 18:17
To: sales@donhost.co.uk
Subject: A strange question

This is a strange qusetion, and I hope you can answer it... but I am a member at the freewebspace.net forums, and we were talking about Donhost and their reseller program, and started on the topic of unlimited space. So I was wondering how much Donhost pays for their hard disk space. I am sure you buy it wholesale and we were wondering how much it costs you per gigabyte or megabyte.

Also, I was wondering how many of your users use 100mb of space or less. I don't know if you can answer that though.

Thanks
-Adam Ringeisen

£250 is the same as 354.18 USD. That is quite a bot... So they are paying 360 bucks for 36gb... hmm...

Valuablehost... check your pm...

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 15:31

Good luck with your site, i might be able to offer you some free hosting. I have to see how my new plans will go.

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

Originally posted by Technics
It's non-profit. It's for a social services site im setting up or have been doing for 12 months www.edproject.co.uk ... nothing there www.jmnetics.com made me a nice design for the site though.

meow

July 3rd, 2001, 16:17

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I still don't think so, 40GB cost $100 Wholesale, from the cheapest place I know.

It hasn't occured to you that Donhost buy at another price than you do?

stu

July 3rd, 2001, 16:23

I am not entirely sure, we use 36Gb Ultra 160 disks, I believe these are in the region of £250 each.

Originally posted by bigperm

£250 is the same as 354.18 USD. That is quite a bot... So they are paying 360 bucks for 36gb... hmm...

I think he means Ultra-3 SCSI 160, which uses the latest and fastest SCSI standard... SCSI drives ain't as cheap as IDE drives, quite pricey..

Neverm1nd

July 3rd, 2001, 16:28

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Look I don't want to get anything started...

LOL :D

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 16:47

I agree with "meow", most hosts do get special prices and have contracts with the company etc.. No one here can tell other then the company itself.

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 17:54

$350 American Dollars? There is no way possible, with unmetered space can that amount be covered, there is absolutely no way. Especially when it is only 36.4GB, which is medium-sized for a server. The truth is this Donhost is ripping itself off... I realize that you guys are double wrong who said they would purchase cheap hard drives, they need SCSI for a server not UDMA.

You guys are right, Donhost does purchase a different price and different hard drive than I do, ONE THAT IS THREE TIMES MORE DAMN EXPENSIVE!

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 18:10

Well, scsi is not *needed* to run an server, but does help. None of us know whether donhost uses scsi or IDE, as i said before only donhost can answer that, why dont you try emailing them.

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

Originally posted by Giancarlo
$350 American Dollars? There is no way possible, with unmetered space can that amount be covered, there is absolutely no way. Especially when it is only 36.4GB, which is medium-sized for a server. The truth is this Donhost is ripping itself off... I realize that you guys are double wrong who said they would purchase cheap hard drives, they need SCSI for a server not UDMA.

You guys are right, Donhost does purchase a different price and different hard drive than I do, ONE THAT IS THREE TIMES MORE DAMN EXPENSIVE!

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 18:13

Thanks to Bigperm they were already contacted, as you look at his message... it says:

Hi.

I am not entirely sure, we use 36Gb Ultra 160 disks, I believe these are in the region of £250 each.

Kind Regards,

Adam Tinsley
Donhost Ltd.

##########################
Tel: +44 (0)800 956 7642
Fax: +44 (0)8707 41 51 07
http://www.donhost.co.uk
##########################

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Ringeisen [mailto:bigpermnc@yahoo.com]
Sent: 03 July 2001 18:17
To: sales@donhost.co.uk
Subject: A strange question

This is a strange qusetion, and I hope you can answer it... but I am a member at the freewebspace.net forums, and we were talking about Donhost and their reseller program, and started on the topic of unlimited space. So I was wondering how much Donhost pays for their hard disk space. I am sure you buy it wholesale and we were wondering how much it costs you per gigabyte or megabyte.

Also, I was wondering how many of your users use 100mb of space or less. I don't know if you can answer that though.

Thanks
-Adam Ringeisen

So do you think it is possible to have unmetered space on 36GB hard drives that are $354 US Dollars?

YUPAPA

July 3rd, 2001, 18:18

Who cares about donhost!
I am planning to buy a new toy (Dedicated Server)

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 18:23

Yeah, but do you know how to use it?

birkitty

July 3rd, 2001, 18:28

Do all these Yupapa threads have to devolve into fights?

Giancarlo

July 3rd, 2001, 18:28

Yes.

Valuablehost

July 3rd, 2001, 18:31

Well, i think this topic is closed.

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Thanks to Bigperm they were already contacted, as you look at his message... it says:

Hi.

I am not entirely sure, we use 36Gb Ultra 160 disks, I believe these are in the region of £250 each.

Kind Regards,

Adam Tinsley
Donhost Ltd.

##########################
Tel: +44 (0)800 956 7642
Fax: +44 (0)8707 41 51 07
http://www.donhost.co.uk
##########################

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Ringeisen [mailto:bigpermnc@yahoo.com]
Sent: 03 July 2001 18:17
To: sales@donhost.co.uk
Subject: A strange question

This is a strange qusetion, and I hope you can answer it... but I am a member at the freewebspace.net forums, and we were talking about Donhost and their reseller program, and started on the topic of unlimited space. So I was wondering how much Donhost pays for their hard disk space. I am sure you buy it wholesale and we were wondering how much it costs you per gigabyte or megabyte.

Also, I was wondering how many of your users use 100mb of space or less. I don't know if you can answer that though.

Thanks
-Adam Ringeisen

So do you think it is possible to have unmetered space on 36GB hard drives that are $354 US Dollars?

YUPAPA

July 3rd, 2001, 18:46

To avoid any fights, I think the person shouldn't reply me or talk about me or my service anymore.

bigperm

July 4th, 2001, 01:19

Thank you Yuapapa... at least SOMEBODY is trying to make an effort.

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 09:06

I said I was treating this host like any other host, I have been looking at hosts for four years... so my experience is quite a bit and possibly more than your's Bigperm. I specifically stated that I did not want to start a fight in the beginning, so I was the one making an effort.

Cael

July 4th, 2001, 11:02

I am not trying to get into the "discussions" here, but just to say some of my opinions.

First at all, on my opinion, the word "unmetered space" mentioned by Robert, isn't the same as "Unlimited space" as mentioned by Giancarlo.

For "unmetered space", the host will try their best to provide you the space you need. So when you are using near their harddisk limit, maybe they might purchase another harddisk to fill your requirements. Yes, they won't be already having "unlimited space" for you to use. But they will just try their best to keep you far from the limit, and make you feel "virtually unlimited".

For "unlimited space" by Giancarlo, it does not exist. Yes, that's true. No one can deny it. But hosts who claim to offer "unmetered space", mostly just try the tricks like "ummetered space", or just shut you down when you are near the limit.

As for unlimited this word, it's quite confusing. But I won't suggest people going for unlimited hosts because for me, I think that if you are trying to sell something, please make sure it's available or guarantee that I am getting what I am ordering first before I will buy from you.

As for Giancarlo, I noticed there are many mis-understandings between you and other community members. There's nothing completely right or wrong. It varies from different angles.

That's just my 20 cents. Please don't flame me if I am wrong. And sorry for interrupting.

Robert

July 4th, 2001, 11:29

Donovan, yes that's correct.

Unmetered and Unlimited to an extent are very different.

I do agree that any host providing unmetered/unlimited webspace/banwidth should be avoided, but unmetered space can be found, the question is does the company make enough profit to be able to purchase additional hard drives.

That's all....

My .2 cents.

YUPAPA

July 4th, 2001, 11:52

My 30 cents~

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 12:01

Yeah sure, it can be unmetered if they are charging you a horrendously expensive price for it, like $100/Month, because the hard drives Donhost are using cost $350 US Dollars/Each.

Chicken

July 4th, 2001, 12:25

Originally posted by robert
Donovan, yes that's correct.

Unmetered and Unlimited to an extent are very different.

I'm making a mental note to not come back to this thread, but before I do...

Unmetered is unmetered until they decide to meter it.
Unlimited is unlimited until they decide to limit it.

Feel free to debate the point until the cows come home.

Robert

July 4th, 2001, 12:31

mooooo mooooo

;)

bigperm

July 4th, 2001, 13:26

I specifically stated that I did not want to start a fight in the beginning, so I was the one making an effort.
Do all these Yupapa threads have to devolve into fights?
Giancarlo Yes.

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 13:54

Wrong again Bigperm, what I meant by that is anything on Yupapa will turn into fights and I did not have anything to do with. Wrong again.

bigperm

July 4th, 2001, 16:05

I want to explain something... and get back on topic while doing so. The reason that donhost has unlimited space... and have it work is by putting a cap on bandwidth. People with a reseller account only get 50gb of bandwith a month. So, with that, they know that they cannot offer unlimited bandwidth, and need to be careful with it. If you have a limit on bandwidth, you site can only be so big. If you only get 5gb of transfer a month, then you can't have a site that is 1 gigabyte or you will go over, and have to pay, no matter how much space donhost offers.

Also, yupapa doesn't offer unlimited anything... he offers a set amount of space and bandwidth.

And you do start stuff with yupapa, when he has decided not to even talk to you again, but no, you have to keep bringing stuff up, talk junk about his service (which is WAY better than yours) and then have the gall to say that you aren't trying to start anything? Get off it.

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 16:19

Hey Bigperm Read my Lips: I don't offer paid hosting, so how can you compare my website which offers something completely different to his? Way better? Get a life... my website is on a completely different focus.

bigperm

July 4th, 2001, 16:23

Who was talking about paid hosting? I was talking about free hosting. Why would I be comparing his paid hosting to your 1mb of free hosting? That doesn't even make sense.

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 16:25

Nononono! Wrong, my site is on a completely different focus, if you have even browsed through it you will know what I mean.

YUPAPA

July 4th, 2001, 18:58

Whenever he posts a message, the best thing to do is not to reply him... or we will get into troubles.

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 19:07

This is between me and Bigperm, it no longer has anything to do with you Yupapa, so stay out of it. My site is on a different focus, if that is not to hard to understand, what other language must I say that in?

Haze

July 4th, 2001, 19:28

Why is it that everytime I read a post by Giancarlo, I hear the voice of Cartman (from southpark) in my head? No offence Giancarlo, it just happens?!?!?

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 19:30

The Picture you should see is Joseph McCarthy... and Ronald Reagan.

Look, this argument is over, who cares...? It seems like you want to keep this argument going, but I don't.

Robert

July 4th, 2001, 19:52

have you ever lived in the United States? Just a question...

Haze

July 4th, 2001, 19:54

Yes he has, for 8 years, next?

Giancarlo

July 4th, 2001, 19:54

Yup, for nine years! :mad:

YUPAPA

July 4th, 2001, 21:26

Originally posted by Giancarlo
The Picture you should see is Joseph McCarthy... and Ronald Reagan.

Look, this argument is over, who cares...? It seems like you want to keep this argument going, but I don't.

Then stop arguing and stop replying us!

Cael

July 5th, 2001, 06:33

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Yeah sure, it can be unmetered if they are charging you a horrendously expensive price for it, like $100/Month, because the hard drives Donhost are using cost $350 US Dollars/Each.

The point isn't that can they offer what they claim to be offering, dear Giancarlo. They can't be offering "unlimited space", we all agree to that. However, "unmetered space" isn't the same as "unlimited space". For "unmetered space", most people won't be using until DonHost have to start metering their diskspace on their accounts. Unless you are really trying to bring them down and mass uploading files to eat up every single byte on their harddisks.

And yes, if they are truly offering a *REAL* "unmetered diskspace" solution for their hosting plan, you will need to pay that amount. However, do you think they will still host you if you are using up 100GB hdd but pay for that small fee? They will find some excuses and shut you down right away with no doubt.

I am not siding any party. But I just noticed there're mis-understandings here and I would like to show them up. Not to flame anyone, just to help.

Giancarlo

July 5th, 2001, 09:18

Unmetered and Unlimited are the same things... there is no question about it.

bigperm

July 5th, 2001, 12:39

Whether they are the same thing or not, it doesn't matter because people can only use so much space for two reasons:
1. The cap on bandwidth
2. The policy against file storage

So, that is how donhost gets to say unlimited space, and that is how they stay in business.

YUPAPA

July 5th, 2001, 13:16

Then I believe Donhost is better than Below10host because Donhost offers unlimited space! Only good company can handle that!

:D :D :D

Haze

July 5th, 2001, 18:48

First of all, ANY host that offers Unlimited, is not a good company. They are a missleading company, as we have seen them deteriorate on this board!. Second, admiting your a reseller of donhost is NOT good for your business.

Originally posted by YUPAPA
Then I believe Donhost is better than Below10host because Donhost offers unlimited space! Only good company can handle that!

:D :D :D

Valuablehost

July 5th, 2001, 19:26

I have to agree with donovan here, unmetered is totally DIFFERENT to unlimited in many ways!

1. Unmetered simply means:

Metered:
Any of various devices designed to measure time, distance, speed, or intensity or indicate and record or regulate the amount or volume, as of the flow of a gas or an electric current.
A postage meter.
A parking meter.

Well unmetered means the opposite, therefore the Host, in this case donhost, DOES NOT measure or keep records of the amount of bandwidth or storage you use.

Its simply, but unlimited is different,

Unlimited:
Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence

Notice the difference, "having no restrictions", whilst unmetered is not keeping records :)

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

YUPAPA

July 5th, 2001, 19:37

HEY!

Don't you all think if I tell you the turth that I am a donhost reseller instead of lieing to you that I own a server is better?

I mean if Donhost is down, you will blame at donhost instead of me since I told you that I am a donhost reseller... but if I lie and say that I own a server and do not mention that I am just a reseller, you will misunderstand me and say that my server isn't reliable while donhost is down!

I am just a reseller and I don't own any server yet... I hate to tell lies!

OkOk ??
YUPAPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D ;) :p :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :confused:

Giancarlo

July 5th, 2001, 22:06

I got a headache.

Unmetered = Not Counted
Unlimited = Not Counted

bigperm

July 6th, 2001, 02:24

Apple = Fruit
Orange= Fruit
But it's still apples and oranges.

Like a square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle can't be a square.

Cael

July 6th, 2001, 05:40

Bigperm, ValuableHost, evilhaze:
I agree with all of you.

Giancarlo:
Unmetered = not metered , not measured , not counted .
Unlimited = not limited , not restricted , infinity .

They are similar, but not the same.

Yupapa:
DonHost is not a good host at all. There are two types of companies out there. One is those who can offer what they promised to. And another one is those who is just offering some great but unavailable deals. And I am afraid DonHost belongs to the second group. You can try to upload a lot of stuff to stuck their harddisk and see what they will do to you. All the hosts who claimed to offer UNLIMITED or UNMETERED deals are not honest and the deals do not exist. For me, I don't do business with unhonest guy, company, or whatever.

Guys:
Let's try our best to make him understand the confusion here before you try to flame him again. I guess all of us might have confused of something before, and maybe did what Giancarlo did :)

And to Giancarlo again:
Actually there's some mis-understandings in you on a few threads before regarding Below10host and tera-byte . I will let you know when we solve this. :) Cheers... :cool:

Giancarlo

July 6th, 2001, 09:33

Unlimited and Unmetered are the same my friend. And Bigperm, ---- off with the intimidation.

Chicken

July 6th, 2001, 10:23

Originally posted by Donovan
Bigperm, ValuableHost, evilhaze:
I agree with all of you.

Giancarlo:
Unmetered = not metered , not measured , not counted .
Unlimited = not limited , not restricted , infinity .

They are similar, but not the same.

If anyone has a decent argument going, it is bigperm. He's claiming that it is possible since they limit you in other ways (bandwidth, file rules), and this to a degree, is somewhat plausible. Basically any site that would need 'unmetered space' (heh), wouldn't qualify, or would go over the bandwidth restrictions anyway. This is the same argument from hosts that offer 'unlimited space' though.

One thing is for sure, I would not sign up with any host that states either unlimited or unmetered space or bandwidth, pop accouts, etc. That's just me.

(oops, I forgot and came back... moo)

Ohhh, and everyone is tired of the messages between a few members *inside* too many of the threads. If you have something you want to say directly to someone, email/PM them please as I'm going to start deleting/editing messages that spin off into, "No you shut up" ... "No you shut up" fashion.

Valuablehost

July 6th, 2001, 10:26

Hi,

Chicken i though i had a decent arguement!

Originally posted by Chicken

If anyone has a decent argument going, it is bigperm. He's claiming that it is possible since they limit you in other ways (bandwidth, file rules), and this to a degree, is somewhat plausible. Basically any site that would need 'unmetered space' (heh), wouldn't qualify, or would go over the bandwidth restrictions anyway. This is the same argument from hosts that offer 'unlimited space' though.

One thing is for sure, I would not sign up with any host that states either unlimited or unmetered space or bandwidth, pop accouts, etc. That's just me.

(oops, I forgot and came back... moo)

Giancarlo

July 6th, 2001, 10:32

But Unlimited is the same as Unmetered... what is the big problem about it? I dunno... I am not going to argue something this insignificant. I also agree with Chicken that you should not sign up with Unlimited or Unmetered Hosts.

meow

July 6th, 2001, 13:35

Nag, nag, nag. I think most of us know (with perhaps 1 exception) that the average sites don't use mush space at all and just a few touch 1GB of bandwidth. Therefor it's ridiculous to think "100 5GB accounts will cost them 500GB of bandwidth" and so on, because it will not. I think those of you that are hosts can confirm this. :rolleyes:

YUPAPA

July 6th, 2001, 13:37

Who is that?

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/avatar.php?userid=1215&dateline=993784127

LastActionHero

July 6th, 2001, 13:43

Originally posted by YUPAPA
Who is that?

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/avatar.php?userid=1215&dateline=993784127

That is Ronald Reagan if I'm not mistaken.

YUPAPA

July 6th, 2001, 13:44

He is a soccer player?

bigperm

July 6th, 2001, 14:20

If anyone has a decent argument going, it is bigperm I just wanted everybody to read that again.

LastActionHero

July 6th, 2001, 14:24

Originally posted by YUPAPA
He is a soccer player?

No he was the President of USA from(?) 1980-1984

bigperm

July 6th, 2001, 15:04

He is in my avatar too, before hitler. Although I need to work on a new one...

gyrbo

July 6th, 2001, 15:17

What's wrong with your "old" avatar? I liked it better then the Hitler>Jesus... one.

Giancarlo

July 6th, 2001, 16:21

If you haven't noticed Yupapa, he is my hero. He ruled the United States from 1981-1989. He saved the country from economic disaster, and his Republican team invented the internet.

So many people hate Republicans for trying to push the country ahead. Sad thing to see, I feel sorrow for the people who hate him.

niv

July 6th, 2001, 17:41

Originally posted by Giancarlo
If you haven't noticed Yupapa, he is my hero. He ruled the United States from 1981-1989. He saved the country from economic disaster, and his Republican team invented the internet.

So many people hate Republicans for trying to push the country ahead. Sad thing to see, I feel sorrow for the people who hate him.

so, you're calling your republican idol a monarch/dictator/tyrant ( :rolleyes: )? listen, unmetered and unlimited are not very different, but they are. leave it at that. there are no such things as unlimited hosts but there are such things as unmetered hosts. now stop it! :mad:

Giancarlo

July 6th, 2001, 17:47

so, you're calling your republican idol a monarch/dictator/tyrant

No, I believe in Democracy and Freedom unlike Communists. I am against Dictatorship.

there are no such things as unlimited hosts but there are such things as unmetered hosts.

There is absolutely no difference between unlimited and unmetered, and there are NO such thing as unmetered hosts.

niv

July 6th, 2001, 17:51

when a host says they don't meter the amount of bandwidth their clients use, it is implied that they won't meter the users to a point. if for some reason that the host's bandwidth usage triples in the next month, then they'll get suspicious.

okay, to clarify the unlimited-unmetered situation even further: unlimited means they will NEVER decided to limit the amount of bandwidth you can use or space you can occupy. unmetered means that they will not meter INDIVIDUAL accounts, but they will keep tabs on the ratio of the amount of bandwidth overall consumed monthly by the host to the number of members (including or excluding newcomers, which is up to the host's discretion), and compare that ratio to those of past months.

Robert

July 6th, 2001, 18:21

Well after aruging with Giancarol about the difference between unmetered and unlimited space, I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who sees the difference! lol.

Giancarlo

July 6th, 2001, 18:24

First off quite insulting me, spell my name right... I will have to report this to a mod because it is ----ing mockery.

meow

July 6th, 2001, 18:32

:eek: Pleas Gaincarlo, don't report me to the scary mods! Can't you send me a couple of those FBI hunks instead? It's Friday, goddamn it. :D

stu

July 6th, 2001, 18:41

lol.. don't mess with him meow, he'll send his sicillian goons after you, then sue you..:D

niv

July 6th, 2001, 18:46

Originally posted by Giancarlo
so, you're calling your republican idol a monarch/dictator/tyrant

No, I believe in Democracy and Freedom unlike Communists. I am against Dictatorship.

well then don't say rule, reign, or anything of the sort. it makes me uneasy to think that President Reagan was King Reagan. :p

meow

July 6th, 2001, 19:07

We have a nice king. He isn't even allowed to utter his private oppinion. Perhaps it would be better if more heads of state were kings. :D

Send the goons. I'm getting in mood!:p

Valuablehost

July 6th, 2001, 19:58

This topic is getting out of hand,

Note to all: This is NOT a republican & democart & communisim & dictorship & monarchy forum.. This forum is Webhosting RELATED.

Please get back to the topic on hand...

Kindest Regards,
ValuableHost

Giancarlo

July 6th, 2001, 23:15

Hold on... now I know... disable my account for not participating in the argument? I posted something six messages ago.. and pulled out... this is not right, and no one told me.

I AM URGING THAT MY OLD ACCOUNT BE REACTIVATED... I WAS BEING INSULTED TO THE BRINKS OF LOSING MY TEMPER... AND I Pulled out of this thread.

Haze

July 7th, 2001, 00:05

I can understand why your account was dissabled and if it was dissabled, I hope the mods have enough in them not to reactivate it.

YUPAPA

July 7th, 2001, 00:18

Agree!
I hope he can spend his time to understand what he have done to the people.

Cael

July 7th, 2001, 06:08

There is absolutely no difference between unlimited and unmetered, and there are NO such thing as unmetered hosts.

Coming soon, to the nearest dictionary. (I mean the answers)

Valuablehost

July 7th, 2001, 06:08

:D

Originally posted by evilhaze
I can understand why your account was dissabled and if it was dissabled, I hope the mods have enough in them not to reactivate it.

bigperm

July 7th, 2001, 06:14

Some people...

Valuablehost

July 7th, 2001, 07:39

:D :D :D :D

Originally posted by bigperm
Some people...

Greatgraddage

July 7th, 2001, 13:47

I have lurked in these forums for about 3-4 months now and this thread has fascinated me. I have a number of points to make:

1) I find this Freedom Team a cheap way to be able to slag people off behind their backs, the idea of which disgusts me and sounds extreamly childish. I cannot beleive that people even consider joining it.

2) I hope to god that the mods see sense and reactivate Giancarlo's membership, as he has been on these boards a while (over 1000 posts) and I feel most of the time he has made a very good contribution to these boards.

3) Hard drives are very expensive, and I would love to have a 40gig one for $30-40. I live in the UK and my friend recently bought a 30gb drive from dabs.com for about £120. And he shopped around for about a month for that and it was the cheapest he could find.

4) I do not have a stance on the unmetered/unlimited matter but I would like to point out that Donhost advertise as Unlimited, and therefore the argument that Donhost are ok because they do not meter the space is void.

That is all, I do not wish fo this to act as a flame or for people to flame me for it I am just pointing out my views.

bigperm

July 7th, 2001, 14:34

1) I find this Freedom Team a cheap way to be able to slag people off behind their backs, the idea of which disgusts me and sounds extreamly childish. I cannot beleive that people even consider joining it.

How many people do you think have joined it? 5? 4? 7? Nope 20 hat's right 20 people. If you don't like it, don't join. Alot of people are really sick of some people here, and it's a good place to talk about stuff that isn't allowed here. Maybe you don't feel the need for solidairity when something your strongly believe against gets promoted like survivor here, but I do, and so do 19 other people.

2) I hope to god that the mods see sense and reactivate Giancarlo's membership, as he has been on these boards a while (over 1000 posts) and I feel most of the time he has made a very good contribution to these boards.

He has said himself that 90% of his posts are spam, flaming or trolling... and that the only reason he got to NLC is because of all those yupapa threads. I am crossing his fingers that he gets banned.

3) Hard drives are very expensive, and I would love to have a 40gig one for $30-40. I live in the UK and my friend recently bought a 30gb drive from dabs.com for about £120. And he shopped around for about a month for that and it was the cheapest he could find.

So?

4) I do not have a stance on the unmetered/unlimited matter but I would like to point out that Donhost advertise as Unlimited, and therefore the argument that Donhost are ok because they do not meter the space is void.

Check it out... the host in question is Yupapa... not donhost... and Yupapa doesn't offer unlimited space, OR unmetered space. Although he is a donhost reseller, that really doesn't matter.

That is all, I do not wish fo this to act as a flame or for people to flame me for it I am just pointing out my views.

OK.

Greatgraddage

July 7th, 2001, 15:03

How many people do you think have joined it? 5? 4? 7? Nope 20 hat's right 20 people. If you don't like it, don't join. Alot of people are really sick of some people here, and it's a good place to talk about stuff that isn't allowed here. Maybe you don't feel the need for solidairity when something your strongly believe against gets promoted like survivor here, but I do, and so do 19 other people.

If this was not on the internet, and there was a group of people that meet in a group every day, and a number of them go off and start another group about the original group primerally to slag them off would you find that fair?

He has said himself that 90% of his posts are spam, flaming or trolling... and that the only reason he got to NLC is because of all those yupapa threads. I am crossing his fingers that he gets banned.

I have not seen that thread, could you direct me to it? I have also seen a lot of posts in which he has posted a helpful opinion and has contributed to the thread helpfully.

So?

I frankly find your prices impossible and I would love to see proof of them.

Check it out... the host in question is Yupapa... not donhost... and Yupapa doesn't offer unlimited space, OR unmetered space. Although he is a donhost reseller, that really doesn't matter.

Just saying.

OK.

Thanks

niv

July 7th, 2001, 15:16

Originally posted by Greatgraddage
[B]
He has said himself that 90% of his posts are spam, flaming or trolling... and that the only reason he got to NLC is because of all those yupapa threads. I am crossing his fingers that he gets banned.

I have not seen that thread, could you direct me to it? I have also seen a lot of posts in which he has posted a helpful opinion and has contributed to the thread helpfully.

There's a button at the top of each forum page that says "search" :p
Just look under the username "Giancarlo". You'll find plenty of useless and annoying posts.

So?

I frankly find your prices impossible and I would love to see proof of them.

*cough* http://www.pricewatch.com/

Todd

July 7th, 2001, 16:20

This has gone on long enough and is going off topic, if it's not already there.. Thread locked.

Chicken

July 7th, 2001, 16:26

Originally posted by needcgispace
when a host says they don't meter the amount of bandwidth their clients use, it is implied that they won't meter the users to a point. if for some reason that the host's bandwidth usage triples in the next month, then they'll get suspicious.

okay, to clarify the unlimited-unmetered situation even further: unlimited means they will NEVER decided to limit the amount of bandwidth you can use or space you can occupy. unmetered means that they will not meter INDIVIDUAL accounts, but they will keep tabs on the ratio of the amount of bandwidth overall consumed monthly by the host to the number of members (including or excluding newcomers, which is up to the host's discretion), and compare that ratio to those of past months.

Bahhhh, let's head to the dictionary, shall we?

What do the terms mean?

limit
tr.v. lim·it·ed
1. To confine or restrict within a boundary or bounds.
2. To fix definitely; to specify.

pref. un-
Not; opposite of; contrary to

So put together, the definition of unlimited would be:

1. Not confined or restricted within a boundary or bounds.
2. To fix indefinitely; to not specify.

'Not specifiy' sounds like an accurate term! I don't know of any hosts who offer completely much of anything completely unrestricted, so it would seem the term is being misused. We go on...

meter
tr.v. me·tered
2. To supply in a measured or regulated amount: metered the allotted gasoline to each vehicle.

pref. un-
Not; opposite of; contrary to

So put together, the definition of unmetered would be:

To supply in a not measured or not regulated amount.

Who here thinks hosts supply bandwidth in either fashion?

You say:

...it is implied that they won't meter the users to a point.
Now, I'm not trying to say that I came up with these definitions, I looked up the words in dictionary. I cannot find any mention of this 'implication' that you state. No little asterisk saying, 'up to a certain point'. I think you made that part up, though if you found this in a dictionary, I'd be open to taking a look.

unmetered means that they will not meter INDIVIDUAL accounts, but they will keep tabs on the ratio of the amount of bandwidth overall consumed monthly by the host to the number of members (including or excluding newcomers, which is up to the host's discretion), and compare that ratio to those of past months.

Again, I find this to be *your* definition of the word, not *the* definition of the word. I'm not trying to be combative, mind you. I'm just pointing out that there is a meaning for the term, and from what I've seen, no host offers services according to that meaning. If a host wants to come up with their own 'new meaning' of an accepted term, all the power to them.

Source:
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=metered
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=limited
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=un