I got high this weekend and completely regret it

[guitarnerd]

I'm not sure if this post will be deleted but we'll see. This past weekend I was at a friends house and in the basement some guys were smoking marijana. I've been around it a lot and have a lot of friends that have done it but I've always seemed to just not be appealed to it. I smoke hookah and an occasional cigarette and even drink, I even smoked bud from a pipe once but felt virtually no effect.

Anyway, they were using a vaporizor. Basically it heats up the marijana to the point where the THC will vaporize and then fills a bag with 100% THC smoke. I was jamming with a guy on drums and guitar and this guy that had the vaporizor was watching and said "thanks for letting me watch, let me pay you back" The other guy said no just because he was already too drunk, I myself was pretty drunk off of 7 shots and about 4 glasses of wine but I figured what the hell.

I took two hits (and I mean BIG hits, a complete lungful, why not if I am gonna do it, I might as well get the full effect, my two hits almost emptied the bag)...waited a minute...felt nothing. The guy insisted I take a couple more if I wasn't feeling anything, so he filled up another bag, and I took two more.

So I went back upstairs when we decided to watch yellow submarine in the basement. We waited out on the Balcony and smoked from our hookah. I started feeling it. I was amazed at how interesting it was. I was laughing at everything, acting like a complete jack ---. I noticed my tounge felt like a damn sponge.

So I started walking down to the basement when I got to the door it HIT ME BAD. I couldn't stand, I fell into a chair, I started to feel pain in my chest, my eyes were burning, the veins in my neck felt like they were going to explode. I felt sick, and dizzy, I had the spins.

My best friend came downstairs and I told him I can't walk I am in a lot of pain. He started telling me, "Don't worry about it, it will go away in a few minutes"

I started to feel like I was on fire, literally, I felt pain, absolute torture, My --- hole was burning (I am not making this up), I was falling over in the chair. I yelled for some ice water. People started speculating that the Marijana could have been laced, the guy who brought it already left. I could feel my heart beating a million times a second it seemed. Finally my water came and I started drinking it. I downed the glass in a few seconds. My pain was at it's worst at this point. I told them I think I might die. I needed more water.

I passed out while waiting for my friend to get the rest of my water. I woke up when it came and I drank it quickly, I still felt horrible but the pain wasn't as bad. I passed out again and woke up.

I don't remember much after this but apparently I came into the basement and fell asleep on a bean bag for an hour and a half. My friend came and woke me up and told me to go upstairs, they made a bed for me on the floor. I walked up the stairs crashed on the bed and slept until noon the next morning.

It was the most miserable experience of my life. The next day some more people were smoking and I got a whiff of the weed, it immediatly made me feel sick. I am hoping I scarred myself for life and can never do that again.

Sure I see why it can be cool, but man I want no involvement in that sort of thing.

[jmiller]

How exactly does one "smoke hooka" ?

Do you mean shisha tobacco ?

[guitarnerd]

How exactly does one "smoke hooka" ?

Do you mean shisha tobacco ?

I meant I smoke from a Hookah

[Robert]

That weed was laced. You had a bad reaction. Did you eat before smoking?

[Hobo]

That was weed plus PCP...you done ----ed up esentially.

[Dean]

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[Robert]

That was weed plus PCP...you done ----ed up esentially.

I, too, wonder if it was PCP. I once got smoked weed laced with PCP and I didn't have the same effects. Actually, I don't remember much, but I was in a catatonic form and I couldn't speak. It was freaky.

[Gayowulf]

I don't think it was laced.

Two huge hits of vapourized bud, especially if it is good will definately f- you up. If you are drunk at the time it will be even worse.

I smoke occasionally, though in the past it was often every day. I can recall a time I used the same method guitarnerd used (though I probably had not had as much to drink.) I did not find it enjoyable.

I inhaled the whole bag in one lungful and erupted in uncontrollable coughing. I felt like I had inhaled broken glass. Basically after that I experienced pretty much the same thing, just no burning bunghole. I basically felt retarded, really thirsty, somewhat nauseated, hot, pressurized, disoriented and a lot like being alone listening to some good music.

I find if you are going to smoke marijuana for pleasant effects do it in moderation and with more conventional methods. I've also found that smoking it after you've had a lot to drink can really impair you.

I feel for you guitarnerd, and I hope that if you decide to try smoking again you find it more enjoyable.

[Dean]

See.. ive never understood the point of drugs. Pay good money- to act like a 4 year old ?! (with a burning bung hole)

[Robert]

See.. ive never understood the point of drugs. Pay good money- to act like a 4 year old ?! (with a burning bung hole)

It helps relaxes me. I don't smoke anymore, but a nice blunt occasionally sitting in the backyard at night relaxes the hell out of me.

[Gayowulf]

a 4 year old with a burning bunghole? that sounds like jail time to me. ;)

[daxriggz2004]

It can definately be a person to person thing to wether or not they like it. I used to love it. Kicking back by myself, listening to Pink Floyd, turn on the strobe light and trip. Now I can't enjoy it like I could back then, so I just drink instead.

[Gayowulf]

It can definately be a person to person thing to wether or not they like it. I used to love it. Kicking back by myself, listening to Pink Floyd, turn on the strobe light and trip. Now I can't enjoy it like I could back then, so I just drink instead.

indeed.

I dread the day I cease to enjoy drinking.

I'll have to get drunk on God or something. Or start going to bingo.

[Daniel]

I never had my chest hurting or any of them. Though any physical violence(walking into a door) could turn your buzz into a real bad trip.

[Meksilon]

You may have noticed here, people defend the drug they use. Marijuana, last I checked, was illegal. Illegal to grow, sell or smoke. I wish the law was harder on it, it messes up so many lives.

[jmiller]

Guess what Meksilon, this thread isn't about the legalily of marijuana.

Please, do us all a favour and take your archaic point of views elsewhere -- nobody is here to argue, so how about you keep it that way?

[Blank Verse]

No one here was even defending it, just speaking of personal experiences regarding pot. Go ruin threads elsewhere.

[Gayowulf]

Desist, Mikelson.

Someone please cast silence +10 upon this guy. Or any equivalent.

[jmiller]

Though I guess you kind of have to feel sorry for someone who actually takes time out of their day to criticize the web design skills of 12 year-olds.

Good on you, Meksilon.


And back to the topic at hand,

What you experienced happens to alot of people the first time they smoke marijuana -- in hindsight using a vapourizer probably wasn't the best idea.

[TravisL]

I've smoked weed once in my life, un-laced and grown out of the backyard of my buddies house. I completely lost conciousness suddenly and collapsed while walking. No warning signs, notta. So weed can harm people, maybe not most, but it does cause harm.

[guitarnerd]

I think one thing that added to the pain was that I was so used to Hookah (I was just smoking from it before this) where you seriously take entire breaths and then slowly exhale a massive amount of smoke. You can burp ten minutes later and smoke will come out. I took 4 of these style hits. The guy that owned this vaporizer was a dealer btw and I talked to a friend and he says it shouldn't have been laced but he sells good stuff.

I really think I put scarred my mind on this. The thought of doing it again makes me physically sick

[Daniel]

You may have noticed here, people defend the drug they use. Marijuana, last I checked, was illegal. Illegal to grow, sell or smoke. I wish the law was harder on it, it messes up so many lives.

Too bad it'll be decriminalized in Canada, France, and Germany sometime in the near future.

Ironically, though it's illegal here, cops don't do a damn thing about and they couldn't care less.

[jmiller]

Umm, are you sure it is decriminalized in Canada ?

I could've sworn that never went through entirely.

[tandoc]

Umm, are you sure it is decriminalized in Canada ?

I could've sworn that never went through entirely.

He said it will probably be decriminalized.

[jmiller]

Man. I need to stop taking out my contacts so early in the night. My bad.

[Becca]

I think one thing that added to the pain was that I was so used to Hookah (I was just smoking from it before this) where you seriously take entire breaths and then slowly exhale a massive amount of smoke. You can burp ten minutes later and smoke will come out. I took 4 of these style hits. The guy that owned this vaporizer was a dealer btw and I talked to a friend and he says it shouldn't have been laced but he sells good stuff.

I suppose that the Hookah and being drunk didn't help, but whether it was laced or not...I wouldn't trust what anyone says. I'd suggest knowing what exactly you are smoking before doing so next time (and wait a bit in between smokes instead of expecting for it to hit you right away). However, it seems there won't be a next time.

Oh well, as someone said earlier in this thread, let's hope that if you do smoke later on again, you have a more enjoyable experience. And, if you really don't smoke ever again, you wouldn't be missing too much, so it'd be okay.

[Meksilon]

Guess what Meksilon, this thread isn't about the legalily of marijuana.The thread is about marijuana, correct? I'm entitled to say anything I like that's on topic, and I was merely sharing an observation.

[tandoc]

The thread is about marijuana, correct? I'm entitled to say anything I like that's on topic, and I was merely sharing an observation.

too bad you're not entitled to completely derail a thread, especially with an insight that clearly had nothing to do with the original topic - which was quite specific - the [bad] experiences people have had with marijuana.

yeah, sure, you're entitled to an opinion, but thats more like trolling.

besides, the BIBLE has its own share of people getting stoned (http://www.free-minds.org/bible.htm).

oh i am so funny.

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[Robert]

You may have noticed here, people defend the drug they use. Marijuana, last I checked, was illegal. Illegal to grow, sell or smoke. I wish the law was harder on it, it messes up so many lives.

Who is defending it? We're talking about it. We know it's illegal, we know it's illegal to grow, sell or smoke. So what? It also helps a lot of people who are pain daily, that is why some States in the U.S. and some countries allow marijuana to be used as medical drug. The long term affects of marijuana is memory loss, that is, you must spoke it everyday for 5 years in a row. Research has shown that cigaraette smoking is far worse: it's harder to quit, is linked to lung diease and carries that horrible smell with you.

Whereas marijuana, the worse you'll get a craving for munchies and a headache.

[Polykranopalous]

I agree with some peoples thoughts on this.. My thought would be that it was not laced, that you did way too much for your body to consume. You were drunk like you say. PLUS you don't smoke weed that much, so my opinion you just did too much at that time, maybe next time have a hit of it and let your body adjust to it, then when you start feeling it, do another one until you are comfortable. After a bit you will be good to just jump into a bunch at a time....

but hey it's good to stay away from drugs - me ive been clean for like 8 months, Im rather enjoying my life right now without it :)

[jmiller]

The thread is about marijuana, correct? I'm entitled to say anything I like that's on topic, and I was merely sharing an observation.
Actually, no you're not.
Not when your purpose is to derail the topic, as tandoc said.
You have this bad habit of purposely trying to sway topics into arguments, and most of us are sick of it.

And for the record, the thread wasn't about marijuana, but the side-effects of it, so your post has no place here.

Do you take pride in having such a mundane life ?

[Gayowulf]

Ironically, though it's illegal here, cops don't do a damn thing about and they couldn't care less.

Here in Canada posession is a real grey area right now. It seems like rather than deal with it (and the associated paperwork) the police choose to turn a blind eye, which is fine by me.

and I can attest to this fact from many personal experiences. In short, it's way safer to smoke dope where I live than it is to drink.

[Meksilon]

Actually, no you're not.
Not when your purpose is to derail the topic, as tandoc said.
You have this bad habit of purposely trying to sway topics into arguments, and most of us are sick of it.Again, all I posted was a 100% on-topic observation. I was observing what had gone on in this thread, and I posted my observation. It doesn't get any more on-topic than that, it doesn't "derail" threads - maybe it takes it in a new direction, but that's different.
And for the record, the thread wasn't about marijuana, but the side-effects of it, so your post has no place here.Yes and I posted my thoughts on that also, in case you missed it I said:

"I wish the law was harder on it, it messes up so many lives."

And again, I wasn't trying to argue, or even discuss it - I was just posting an observation. I have no interest in arguing about it here. Marijuana is a drug which destroys lives. I've seen it happen in my family, with my friends and in other lives around me. I've seen the addiction, the side-effects; and everything else associated with this terrible drug. I already KNOW exactly what the effects of marijuana are, and I believe every one else knows too whether they choose to accept it or not. So I'm not here to argue over it.

Everyone else here has wanted to post their opinion. I post mine, and my observation of some preceding posts and you attack me. I don't tell you how to post jmiller, so don't tell me how to.

[Robert]

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hehehehe

[tandoc]

I think the best thing to do now, is simply ignore his irrelevant posts from the thread, makes it so much easier.

ON the topic, I've yet to discover the world of smoking/drugs/alcohol, when it seems that everyone else around me has -- what's so fun about it (genuine question)?

[jmiller]

Taking on a new direction is derailing the topic.

And again, the post was off-topic. We were discussing the side-affects of marijuana use, and not whether or not it is legal, or your opinion on whether or not it should be.

You are a "troll" plain and simple. You post only to strike up arguments, and it's pretty darn pathetic.

If you want to discuss marijuana laws, then make another thread, don't hijack this one.

For the record, I am not attacking you. I was pointing out that your posts are off-handed. And even if I was, what right do you have to say anything? You've attacked homosexuals, those who smoke marijuana, and little kids who you feel have bad web design skills.

[jmiller]

I think the best thing to do now, is simply ignore his irrelevant posts from the thread, makes it so much easier.

ON the topic, I've yet to discover the world of smoking/drugs/alcohol, when it seems that everyone else around me has -- what's so fun about it (genuine question)?
I started smoking (tobacco) at a fairly early age, and still do occassionaly. Not sure why I started, or why I still do sometimes. I guess it's kind of a comfort thing.

As for alcohol, it's more of a social thing for me. I never drink on my own, nor do I drink in excess, it's just fun to have a drink or 12 with friends.

[Meksilon]

Get over it, like I said, I have no interest in discussing it, only in offering my opinion which I've already done. PM me if you have anything further to discuss, as I've already added my input to this thread.

[ryza]

I, too, wonder if it was PCP. I once got smoked weed laced with PCP and I didn't have the same effects. Actually, I don't remember much, but I was in a catatonic form and I couldn't speak. It was freaky.


LMFAO Robert, you always have something funny to say.


Two possibilitys i can think of:
1. It is laced
2. You have an alergic reaction/Amunity problem.

It's not a common or heard of sympton that you describe. I'v felt really sick from smoking to much weed and the worst thing that can possibly happen is you vomet+feel very cold(freezing) and even that will only last a short period before your back on your feet

[jmiller]

That actually is quite common, from what I have seen, especially under his circumstances.

Already being drunk, and too top it off smoking a fair ammount of weed would easily do that.

And what you described isn't the worst that could happen -- your experience isn't the same as everyone's.

[ryza]

The thread is about marijuana, correct? I'm entitled to say anything I like that's on topic, and I was merely sharing an observation.

He is talking about the topic "Marijuana" he does have a right to speak.
Just because he is not saying what you want him to say you beat the crap out of him.

The only people de-railing this excellent thread are those who go out of there way to create off-topic posts attacking this poor guy.

Get over it!

[ryza]

That actually is quite common, from what I have seen, especially under his circumstances.

Already being drunk, and too top it off smoking a fair ammount of weed would easily do that.

And what you described isn't the worst that could happen -- your experience isn't the same as everyone's.


The body pains to?
He Describes it like he had serious physical problems

[jmiller]

Yes, the body pains too. Everyone can be affected differently.

Though, at the same time it sounds as if he were perhaps on another medication at the time.

[ryza]

Just some more info i found:

The Marijuana side effects and adverse effects of smoking marijuana

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijuana-Side-Effects.html

[Daniel]

To get back on topic:

Last Saturday, I drank upwards of 2 40s of Wildcat, and smoked about 2 and a half grams of greens. Not sure how well the greens were, kinda wasted at that point, but I didn't seem to be in any traumatizing state. But highs vary from person to person. It seems pretty random, but there's always a chance that you might get a bad experience.

Though there's nothing really wrong with recreational use of marijuana, if it's not your thing, fine, but don't crap on others. Don't make ludicrous statements that because other people smoke marijuana, it directly affects you and therefore pot smokers should be shot or something as retarded as that.

[jmiller]

Man, I haven't had Wildcat since I went to see the Kingpins last year.

Many of my friends used to habitually smoke marijuana when we were much younger, and all sorts of stuff used to happen.
Everything from somone passing out from too big a hit on a gravity bong, to someone having a seizure for some unknown reason.
Anything is possible.

[Meksilon]

Though there's nothing really wrong with recreational use of marijuana, if it's not your thing, fine, but don't crap on others.I just love the way you state that as if it's fact.
Don't make ludicrous statements that because other people smoke marijuana, it directly affects you and therefore pot smokers should be shot or something as retarded as that.It does directly affect me. YOU are in absolutely no position to tell me what affects me and what doesn't. I'm not going to argue with you, just pointing that out. Also don't tell me what to say, I don't tell you what to post, or what you can and can not say.

Also, I've not suggested anyone should be shot (far from it), don't go dragging strawmen into this. If you have anything else to say to me PM it.

Thanks go to ryza for pointing out who the flamers here really are.

[Daniel]

It does directly affect me. YOU are in absolutely no position to tell me what affects me and what doesn't.


It shouldn't directly affect you. It's not like they blow smoke right infront of you. It's unlikely they'll be smoking indoors due to the new laws and what not, and if it's outside, you have every right to ask them to kindly stop.

I seriously doubt that if you see someone across the street roasting, you will approach him and beat him with a stick because it 'affects' you.

I understand you have strong opinions about it, but its a culture thing.



Also, I've not suggested anyone should be shot (far from it), don't go dragging strawmen into this.
No, but you want tougher laws on something that's generally accepted by society. You want tougher laws on something that doesn't really bother you. It's not like you get harassed by majiuana users constantly or anything.




Thanks go to ryza for pointing out who the trollers really are.
What he posted, while true, doesn't really prove anything about guitarnerd's experience.

[Robert]

I just love the way you state that as if it's fact.It does directly affect me. YOU are in absolutely no position to tell me what affects me and what doesn't. I'm not going to argue with you, just pointing that out. Also don't tell me what to say, I don't tell you what to post, or what you can and can not say.

Also, I've not suggested anyone should be shot (far from it), don't go dragging strawmen into this.

Thanks go to ryza for pointing out who the trollers really are.

How does it directly affect you? Does it prevent you from getting up in the morning? Does it cause traffic problems and you can't get to work on time? Does it make you lose sleep and not be able to concentrate?

Like I said in another topic, you think you're the victim of every thing you disagree on. Grow up, move on.

[guitarnerd]

Ok Meksilon,

Man Marijana is illegal, yep. But to say it ruins life isn't entirely true. There are idiots, and then there are idiots on drugs. I used to be scared of alcohol and drugs because there were so many of my relatives screwed up due to alcohol and drug use. Everything from my Dad being abusive from alcohol and cocaine to my uncle spending a year in jail for countless reasons.

But what I found more than anything is that people who are idiots, are usually idiots with or without the drugs/alcohol and they just like to use it as an excuse, or to make themselves feel better about being idiots.

That is not always the case either.

So, is it illegal? Yep. Does anyone care? maybe a few people might disagree (you for example).

But nobody is here -----ing at you telling you, your opinions are wrong. You just come along and ----- like a little pansy and it makes it obvious you are not very knowledgable. So just relax man. If you don't like it, I strongly advice you just stay away from it, but it does not make you a saint preaching to anyone in this thread about your feelings on it.

[jmiller]

But nobody is here -----ing at you telling you, your opinions are wrong. You just come along and ----- like a little pansy and it makes it obvious you are not very knowledgable. So just relax man. If you don't like it, I strongly advice you just stay away from it, but it does not make you a saint preaching to anyone in this thread about your feelings on it.
Exactly. Nobody has said the opinions are wrong, but instead it has been pointed out that the opinions are intended to cause arguments, when nobody here is looking for that.

[pdrucker]

I think it was the mix of the alcohol, weed, and nicotine that did u in. i usually go for a black n' mild after i smoke because the nicotine enhances the effect of the THC by contracting the blood vessels. alcohol is much worse for a person then TCH. Ive seen many people ruin their lives with it. theyre all not that bad for you though if you are smart about it. doing all 3 together isnt usually a good idea. i only think laws like DUI's should be tougher. if people are just smoking in their basement theyre not really hurting anyone except themselves, and they should have the right to do so if they desire.

[jmiller]

I think it was the mix of the alcohol, weed, and nicotine that did u in. i usually go for a black n' mild after i smoke because the nicotine enhances the effect of the THC by contracting the blood vessels. alcohol is much worse for a person then TCH. Ive seen many people ruin their lives with it. theyre all not that bad for you though if you are smart about it. doing all 3 together isnt usually a good idea. i only think laws like DUI's should be tougher. if people are just smoking in their basement theyre not really hurting anyone except themselves, and they should have the right to do so if they desire.
What's a black n' mild? I've never heard that term before.

[guitarnerd]

What's a black n' mild? I've never heard that term before.

Probably the most delicious cheap cigars you can buy, with plastic filters.

[jmiller]

Oh. I usually stick to Captain Black when it comes to cheap, tipped cigars.

[Daniel]

Captain Blacks!!!111oneone

[Robert]

I use to smoke 1 black n mild a week. I miss those. Can't smoke after my collapse lung. What a shame

[Blank Verse]

it's PomPom's or nothing, -----es :p

[Gayowulf]

Did someone say captain black? It sounds like I'm in the right place.



Robert... Collapsed lung? Must've been a big hit.

[Meksilon]

It shouldn't directly affect you. It's not like they blow smoke right infront of you.Actually, it has been EXACTLY like that. How dare you comment like that?
It's unlikely they'll be smoking indoors due to the new laws and what not, and if it's outside, you have every right to ask them to kindly stop.How about in a car I cannot get out of while driving? Including the driver.
No, but you want tougher laws on something that's generally accepted by society. You want tougher laws on something that doesn't really bother you. It's not like you get harassed by majiuana users constantly or anything.It does bother me. They do harass me, and it affects me. And, just so you know, drug use is not generally accepted by society. So kindly stop assuming. As I said before, and I'll affirm to clarify: drug users are criminals, and should be prosecuted as such. Anyone who uses Marijuana deserves to serve gaol time for it. That includes all of my friends and family I know that use it, including my best friends I speak of.

I might still report the incident I spoke of earlier, but I know there's nothing police will do about it when the 3 junkies will just deny using it at that time. That's one reason why I believe use should equal gaol time no matter what, that way I'd be guaranteed those criminals would serve some time for endangering my life by using drugs. The law is not hard enough.

By the way, I've met a drug user who got into all kinds of drugs. He was actively involved in a gang-rape. He did time for using drugs in gaol, but never for the rape. He said to me he doesn't believe that gaol time was a fair punishment for drug use, and contends that he should not have been gaoled for it. You can't understand because you use marijuana. But if you talk to people who use ANY illegal drug they will say they believe they should be allowed to legally use those drugs. That's why when you and everyone else here who uses marijuana says it should be legal I contend that as users you have no right to make such claims.

Don't tell me what affects me and what doesn't, you have had absolutely no idea so far.

[Gayowulf]

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[jmiller]

That's why when you and everyone else here who uses marijuana says it should be legal I contend that as users you have no right to make such claims.
That's funny, I don't remember anyone here saying that marijuana should legalized.

Good on you, buddy. Keep making false claims, it only harms yourself.

[Meksilon]

That's funny, I don't remember anyone here saying that marijuana should legalized.

Good on you, buddy. Keep making false claims, it only harms yourself.
Too bad it'll be decriminalized in Canada, France, and Germany sometime in the near future.

Ironically, though it's illegal here, cops don't do a damn thing about and they couldn't care less.
Who is defending it? We're talking about it. We know it's illegal, we know it's illegal to grow, sell or smoke. So what? It also helps a lot of people who are pain daily, that is why some States in the U.S. and some countries allow marijuana to be used as medical drug. The long term affects of marijuana is memory loss, that is, you must spoke it everyday for 5 years in a row. Research has shown that cigaraette smoking is far worse: it's harder to quit, is linked to lung diease and carries that horrible smell with you.

Whereas marijuana, the worse you'll get a craving for munchies and a headache.
Here in Canada posession is a real grey area right now. It seems like rather than deal with it (and the associated paperwork) the police choose to turn a blind eye, which is fine by me.

and I can attest to this fact from many personal experiences. In short, it's way safer to smoke dope where I live than it is to drink.-Meksilon

[Meksilon]

I guess it's more of the way you talk assuming it shouldn't be illegal, rather than actually saying it should be legalized. Either way, if you all believed it should be illegal to possess or smoke pot then this discussion would have never started. For instance, at another forum I frequent located in Australia if someone asks for advice on backing up DVD's, always someone will point out that it's illegal. We don't give advice because it's illegal, we all know it's illegal, accept it and many (like me) believe in it.

[jmiller]

You aren't helping your case any.

Not once did anyone say it should be legal. Nor was it even implied.

They all have a relaxed attitude towards marijuana use, they didn't express that it should be legal.

[guitarnerd]

Meksilon, you have destroyed my thread you little ----- :bandit2: , just STFU!

Get out of here

[loggerheads]

I think it's about time time we decriminalized dvd backups.....
anyway, on the topic 5 pages ago it doesn't sound that likely that what guitarnerd smoked was laced with anything, my worst experience involved throwing up twice and sitting on a toilet for 20 minutes with a constant head rush ie my vision was just black with coloured spots. A friend of mine once threw up constantly for about 15 minutes and apparently at one stage turned grey. On both occasions everyone else sharing was fine, it's the same as with alcohol, certain varieties for certain people under certain circumstances can result in pretty nasty things happening.

[7trax]

It may have been laced with some meth. Certain types change the way your nerves sense what is going on in your body i.e. being hot, burning sensations, fatigue

[Blank Verse]

I guess it's more of the way you talk assuming it shouldn't be illegal, rather than actually saying it should be legalized. Either way, if you all believed it should be illegal to possess or smoke pot then this discussion would have never started. For instance, at another forum I frequent located in Australia if someone asks for advice on backing up DVD's, always someone will point out that it's illegal. We don't give advice because it's illegal, we all know it's illegal, accept it and many (like me) believe in it.

Look man, if you want something to ----- about, I'll give you a reason. I'm going to go kic some nuns in the shins and get the Pope ----ing loaded, then we're going to drive drunk, fly to Australia, sodomize a kangaroo, and piss on your house. Part of that directly affects you, the rest doesn't but is something you can complain about anyway.

[Daniel]

Meksilon, there's a difference between a drug abuser and a drug user. There's also a difference between marijuana and other drugs.

What were you doing in a car when you know they smoke pot? That's like taking a ride in car with people who have been drinking.

I guess you have a problem with the pot user sub-culture. I'd put that in the same boat as being racist against blacks, because they commit most of the crimes, and they live in slums. The 2 are comparable, using your reasoning.

[Meksilon]

What were you doing in a car when you know they smoke pot? That's like taking a ride in car with people who have been drinking.1. Working, that's what I was doing. 2. They didn't start until on the road. 5+ hours on the road with a stoned driver is not my idea of a "harmless recreational drug". 3. They would all classify themselves as drug users, not drug abusers. I do not believe there's any difference. Well I might, in that people who take prescription medicine, or other drugs purposefully (like taking paracetamol) I would classify as a drug user. I would classify a drug abuser as anyone who takes drugs without a clear need to, including taking drugs for "recreational use".

[jmiller]

Look man, if you want something to ----- about, I'll give you a reason. I'm going to go kic some nuns in the shins and get the Pope ----ing loaded, then we're going to drive drunk, fly to Australia, sodomize a kangaroo, and piss on your house. Part of that directly affects you, the rest doesn't but is something you can complain about anyway.
You should marry The Pope. And on your honeymoon smoke copious amounts of marijuana and misquote Green Day songs. That would really get Meksilon's knickers in a twist.

[Daniel]

1. Working, that's what I was doing. 2. They didn't start until on the road. 5+ hours on the road with a stoned driver is not my idea of a "harmless recreational drug". 3. They would all classify themselves as drug users, not drug abusers. I do not believe there's any difference. Well I might, in that people who take prescription medicine, or other drugs purposefully (like taking paracetamol) I would classify as a drug user. I would classify a drug abuser as anyone who takes drugs without a clear need to, including taking drugs for "recreational use".

Whatever. I don't care anymore.

Good luck getting harsher laws on marijuana in Aussie land. I'll just enjoy my couple spliffs while your at it.

[Hobo]

That was weed plus PCP...you done ----ed up esentially.

Ive always wanted to quote myself....anyways it appears I done ----ed up. I talked to some people about this because the vaporizer thing intrigued me and apparently when you use it...it is a different kind of high. Often times it can be kind of like what you described. I lose.

[stabme]

christ, who cares about making stronger enforcements for drug use of such a harmless drug like marijuana (compared to other drugs)? at least it seems to me that it's almost harmless compared to anything else out there (i could be mistaken). going for stronger enforcement against this sort of drug use would only further distract police and enforcement from far more serious business.

plus, enforcement from the end (stopping drug users) is extremely ineffective; it's not going to stop anyone. it'll result in arresting one person in the thousands. that's not going to scare anyone. that's not going to move massive numbers to quit it. what is more effective is stopping from the roots (dealing, importing), which law enforcements do focus on and would much rather focus on; it's more effective, as it stalls supply and spread.

[Blank Verse]

You should marry The Pope. And on your honeymoon smoke copious amounts of marijuana and misquote Green Day songs. That would really get Meksilon's knickers in a twist.


I can't marry the Pope. I just don't like Germans...

[Daniel]

plus, enforcement from the end (stopping drug users) is extremely ineffective; it's not going to stop anyone. it'll result in arresting one person in the thousands. that's not going to scare anyone. that's not going to move massive numbers to quit it. what is more effective is stopping from the roots (dealing, importing), which law enforcements do focus on and would much rather focus on; it's more effective, as it stalls supply and spread.

It's just that the American gov't spends a lot of tax payer's money on the war against drugs(they're mostly interested cocaine and heroin) and the amount of illegal smuggling of these drugs into the country increased since they started fighting. Ironic isn't it.

They try too hard, and it obviously doesn't work, but they continue to pay massive amounts of money in combatting a lost cause. Might aswell legalize the entire damn thing and tax it. :rolleyes:

[niv]

And the great thing is, even if they legalize it, it still counts as DWI/DUI if you're going to get high & drive .

[bigperm]

Bop-bop-bop-bop

It is bigperm's take on this thread that is WAY too long. If only I remembered how to ignore somebody... I think I even started a thread telling people how to do it, and here I am scrolling through absurd post by some people that I could care less about.

Number one thing I want to say is this:

When people talk about how terrible weed is... it give people who don't really know the wrong idea about drugs all together. When everybody says 'Weed is bad, It destroys families, It's like driving drunk' etc, etc... then these kids these days smoke some weed and realize that it's not that big of a deal. So, if they said weed was terrible, and it isn't that bad... well... they said that coke was terrible... so it mustn't be that bad either.

But coke is terrible. So many multiples worse than weed that putting them in the same category is outright dishonesty.

Moving on however...

Drinking and getting high = bad time
Not only does getting high while you're drunk make the world spin in a clockwise fashion, it's a bad idea altogether when you don't know what you are doing/smoking.

Illegal underground drugs don't go through any type of regulatory inspection or any standards... so it is vitally important to know/trust your source and make informed descisions about what to but into your body. Saying 'okay, I'll hit it... I'm already drunk anyway' is poor descision making and bad drug ethics.

However it sounds like 'lesson learned' so it's a moot point in the present case.

In addition, after smoking weed everyday for around five years straight and then quiting... here is a message to stoners... it is okay to not get high all the time. Cartoons are still awesome, and you can remember where your keys are.

[Robert]

It's just that the American gov't spends a lot of tax payer's money on the war against drugs(they're mostly interested cocaine and heroin) and the amount of illegal smuggling of these drugs into the country increased since they started fighting. Ironic isn't it.

They try too hard, and it obviously doesn't work, but they continue to pay massive amounts of money in combatting a lost cause. Might aswell legalize the entire damn thing and tax it. :rolleyes:

The primary goal of the U.S. Government is to stop illegal drug smuggling into the U.S., and their hard work has paid off. Most of the marijuana purchased in the U.S. is grown in the U.S.

They have been very successfull in cutting back the amount of imported narcotics, especially at our major sea ports like Port Everglades in South Florida.

Just because in your opinion it's a lost cause, doesn't mean they should stop. If they didn't try to stop as much as possible, we'd be a worse position. Because of their hard work and continue hard work, they've managed to clean up many neighborhoods and schools throughout this country. It's not a lost cause and the money used is well spent. They spend about 20 Billion (what's 20 Billion to the U.S? That's chump change compared to our other financial spendings that are not directed affecting this country) a year, arrest about 2 Million people per year for drug offenses, and this isn't including anyone arrested for marijuana, that # is around 700,000 to 1 million.

America's goal isn't to remove Marijuana. While they believe marijuana is a "gateway" drug to harder drugs like meth, coke, heroine and others, they do not feel that marijuana is that harmful, but it is still illegal. They want to rid our streets of that harder drugs. They also don't want you selling drugs. Just because you have marijuana doesn't get you arrested, if you have a small quanitity of it, they'll write you a ticket and you'll be on your way.

And finally, another major reason for our War on Drugs is the spread of diseases such as HIV. It's nasty to see crack users sharing needles, not caring what the last person has in their blood stream so they can enjoy an hour of being high.

[Kaliber]

Im going to do a Meksilon and go horribly off topic.

Your site sucks.

[7trax]

...and their hard work has paid off.

ROTFLMAO hahaha very funny

[Daniel]

The primary goal of the U.S. Government is to stop illegal drug smuggling into the U.S., and their hard work has paid off. Most of the marijuana purchased in the U.S. is grown in the U.S.

They have been very successfull in cutting back the amount of imported narcotics, especially at our major sea ports like Port Everglades in South Florida.

Just because in your opinion it's a lost cause, doesn't mean they should stop. If they didn't try to stop as much as possible, we'd be a worse position. Because of their hard work and continue hard work, they've managed to clean up many neighborhoods and schools throughout this country. It's not a lost cause and the money used is well spent. They spend about 20 Billion (what's 20 Billion to the U.S? That's chump change compared to our other financial spendings that are not directed affecting this country) a year, arrest about 2 Million people per year for drug offenses, and this isn't including anyone arrested for marijuana, that # is around 700,000 to 1 million.

America's goal isn't to remove Marijuana. While they believe marijuana is a "gateway" drug to harder drugs like meth, coke, heroine and others, they do not feel that marijuana is that harmful, but it is still illegal. They want to rid our streets of that harder drugs. They also don't want you selling drugs. Just because you have marijuana doesn't get you arrested, if you have a small quanitity of it, they'll write you a ticket and you'll be on your way.

And finally, another major reason for our War on Drugs is the spread of diseases such as HIV. It's nasty to see crack users sharing needles, not caring what the last person has in their blood stream so they can enjoy an hour of being high.

I wasn't specifically talking about marijuana. I was talking about heroin and cocaine, that are manufactured in like, Colombia or something. Since the 70s, importation of these drugs has doubled, and is at an all-time high. Obviously something isn't working.

Then again, if any drug is legalize(yeah right), and controlled, they can benefit from taxing it. It might actually reduce or completely eliminate the debt. :rolleyes:

Cocaine and heroin are bad, mmmkay.

[jmiller]

Daniel has a very good point.

The DEA's fight against cocaine in Colombia has totally backfired.

The continuous spraying of roundup over Colombia, meant to destroy coca plants not only destroyed legitimate crops but also created a new herbacide-resistant strand of the the plant.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.11/columbia.html

[Robert]

Can't really compare Colombia, a country run by gorillas. The government there has no power really. But the U.S. has really kicked into action with Colombia and cocaine. For example, a friends dad was hired in Colombia to bring a small pound of cocaine into the U.S., in return he'd get about $25,000 dollars. His family was very poor here (they migrated from Colombia) and he could use the money. Unfortunantely, he was caught. Sentenced 10 years in U.S. Federal Prision and was banned from ever entering the U.S. again. All for a pound of cocaine. Sure that's a lot, but when you're talking about cocaine, that's very little amount.

If it's one country the U.S. monitors, it's Colombia:

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr061405.html

[bigperm]

The primary goal of the U.S. Government is to stop illegal drug smuggling into the U.S., and their hard work has paid off. Most of the marijuana purchased in the U.S. is grown in the U.S.This is not true at all. Shwag is grown in Mexico, and people smoke more shwag than dank... because they have to.

[jmiller]

Can't really compare Colombia, a country run by gorillas. The government there has no power really. But the U.S. has really kicked into action with Colombia and cocaine. For example, a friends dad was hired in Colombia to bring a small pound of cocaine into the U.S., in return he'd get about $25,000 dollars. His family was very poor here (they migrated from Colombia) and he could use the money. Unfortunantely, he was caught. Sentenced 10 years in U.S. Federal Prision and was banned from ever entering the U.S. again. All for a pound of cocaine. Sure that's a lot, but when you're talking about cocaine, that's very little amount.

If it's one country the U.S. monitors, it's Colombia:

http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr061405.html
Why can't you compare it? The US government is still in action over there.

Their action over there has failed because their spraying of round-up instead created a stronger strain of the coca plant.

Has nothing to do with millitants there.


And so you're not confused in the future:
Gorilla (http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd1647/gorilla-head-and-shoulders-51.4.jpg)
vs.
Guerilla (http://www.opendoorsusa.org/Images/Uploads/colombian%20guerilla.jpg)

[Gayowulf]

This is not true at all. Shwag is grown in Mexico, and people smoke more shwag than dank... because they have to.

unless they live in the northwest or close to the US/Canada border.

since it seems to be a much bigger offence to import marijuana to the US than it is to grow it, could one not say that that is illegal discrimination in favour of local producers and call in the WTO?

;)

[Blank Verse]

shrewd. You're part of the Green Party, aren't you? :p

[Gayowulf]

no, I'm a budding economist. ;)