help for a newbie !

[CreAcKeR]

someone here know a free web hosting with unlimited space????
If not what free web hosting do you advise for me because I will upload illegals mp3 and some warez...
thx

don't say myplay for my mp3 I know this website but it's not a good website for my mp3

[Giancarlo]

I am not sure if there is a host that allows illegal uploads...

[niv]

blah, first, there isn't a host in the world that can truely offer unlimited space. secondly, no host (listed here) is going to willingly except illegal MP3 or software.

[CreAcKeR]

oh i forget
i search a website with 200mo minimum.
For the ad it's not important
And of course I don't say at the freeweb hosting that I want to upload illegals mp3s ....

thanks

[niv]

firstly, if you're going to create a site, i suggest you get away from the illegal stuff scene. if you still want to create a site that has illegal downloads, fine by me, but you're not going to find a cheap host for it. you'll need dedicated hosting and that costs hundreds per month.

[Giancarlo]

There is no such host that offers 200MB, you will have to pay. Even most paid hosts don't allow illegal material on their servers.

[CreAcKeR]

needcgispace you say that "no host (listed here) " So you know a host who is not listed here but interesting for me no?
If ok can you send me to creacker@house.vg
thanks to reply me

[CreAcKeR]

but i don't want to say to the host that i will upload illegals mp3!!!

[niv]

Originally posted by CreAcKeR
needcgispace you say that "no host (listed here) " So you know a host who is not listed here but interesting for me no?
If ok can you send me to creacker@house.vg
thanks to reply me

i'm saying that only private hosts would do that. no i do not know of any? are you really desperate to create a warez site? well, then you might as well go here: http://www.tera-byte.com/ded.html

[niv]

Originally posted by CreAcKeR
but i don't want to say to the host that i will upload illegals mp3!!!

well, you're not supposed to be uploading illegal material in the first place, they'll find out soon eventually when you start taking up too much data transfer.

[CreAcKeR]

I have to pay for this website : http://www.tera-byte.com/ded.html

i don't want to pay.But how do the others warez website????

[niv]

Originally posted by CreAcKeR
I have to pay for this website : http://www.tera-byte.com/ded.html

i don't want to pay.But how do the others warez website????

umm...they either pay, or they hide. :rolleyes: eventually, someone's going to catch them if they're using a free host.

[CreAcKeR]

I don't think that they pay...

[Giancarlo]

Warez Sites are dropping like flies and the Department of Justice will get on your case if you have a massive, I mean really massive Warez Site.

[niv]

Originally posted by CreAcKeR
I don't think that they pay...

can i ask you something? of all kinds of sites that you could make, why warez? why jeopardize your name when you can actually make it big in the world of websites? there are people who start up from making honest, legal, sites with good designs and they actually strike it big with large corporations like merril lynch. why bother create a website with mp3s and warez except to become notorious? i'd rather make a site about world news. that's my take on this situation. think thoroughly before you make a warez site.

[meow]

What about checking where some warez sites are hosted? Or go for hosts in countries with less regulations like Russia and Slovakia. Or make a hell of a lot of mirrors and use some redirection service. I don't want to be mean but something tells me you are not going to have a success with this. :rolleyes: :)

[Giancarlo]

I remember one Slovak Host that allows Child Porn... not sure if they weren't busted by the Slovak Government yet.

[Dedix]

Originally posted by needcgispace


can i ask you something? of all kinds of sites that you could make, why warez? why jeopardize your name when you can actually make it big in the world of websites? there are people who start up from making honest, legal, sites with good designs and they actually strike it big with large corporations like merril lynch. why bother create a website with mp3s and warez except to become notorious? i'd rather make a site about world news. that's my take on this situation. think thoroughly before you make a warez site.


can i ask you something also? the operating system which is running on your computer is legal? and your other softwares? i don't think so...and if i'm right there are 2 ways how you got them: from a friend, or from the net...am i right?

[meow]

That site that got me to freak out was on a Slovakian host. I don't think they have regulations against child pornography. Several guys said so at the time. :mad:

[Giancarlo]

I emailed someone with the Slovakian Government, and they said they do have laws against it. So that host was breaking the law.

[niv]

Originally posted by Dedix



can i ask you something also? the operating system which is running on your computer is legal? and your other softwares? i don't think so...and if i'm right there are 2 ways how you got them: from a friend, or from the net...am i right?

actually, yes. everything on my computer is legal. i am running windows 98SE which i got at j&r (http://www.jandr.com), not that you know where that is :rolleyes:. my software? i don't have any software except for the following: internet explorer 5.5 & netscape 6 (is there a warez version? :confused: ), microsoft office 97 (got it with this comp), adobe photoshop 6 (paid $750), puTTY (telnet/SSH freeware), and tera-term pro (telnet freeware). i don't play games. and so you are wrong, my friend. would you also like to know the software that i received with my hardware upgrades? i'd be glad to tell you. :mad:

[Dusty]

can i ask you something also? the operating system which is running on your computer is legal? and your other softwares? i don't think so...and if i'm right there are 2 ways how you got them: from a friend, or from the net...am i right?

Were you speaking directly to Needcgispace or is this an open question?

Are my copies of Windows NT, Windows ME, Windows 98, and MacOS legal? Yes they are. Is all the software on my computer legal? Surprise, surprise, but yes, it all is. Were they acquired off the net or from a friend? No, other than those which were legally bought and downloaded, they came off the back of UPS trucks in brightly colored shrink-wrapped boxes.

I may be a rarity, but I don't steal purely on the moral ground that I think stealing is wrong. Spare me all your reasonings and excuses, it's still stealing, no matter what angle you look at it from. Does anyone else here share my philosophy? I surely hope I'm not alone.

[niv]

Originally posted by Dusty

I may be a rarity, but I don't steal purely on the moral ground that I think stealing is wrong. Spare me all your reasonings and excuses, it's still stealing, no matter what angle you look at it from. Does anyone else here share my philosophy? I surely hope I'm not alone.

No, you are not alone, there is a fraction of the population, including myself, who is online, which also shares your philosophy.

[Giancarlo]

I also purchase all of my software, no exceptions. I think it may be more than a fraction, but a majority... those who download warez are CROOKS.

[meow]

There are a lot of warez sites. If you were into the cracking community you would know where to host your site. So what are you going to do? Download cracks from bigger sites and put them up? What's the use? :rolleyes:

[Dedix]

oops, i think, that i'm at the wrong place :)
well all of my software isn't legal...why have to i pay, if i can download them from the net :confused:
it would be bull----...wouldn't it?

[Giancarlo]

well all of my software isn't legal...why have to i pay, if i can download them from the net
it would be bull----...wouldn't it?

You are a crook. You PAY FOR IT TO THE COMPANIES SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT, IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO USE FREE!

[YUPAPA]

I bought a kitten for 1000USD.
I gave the money to kitten's mother because she produced him..... Does she knows how to use the money to buy cat foods?

Maybe she doesn't know what the heck that is and eats my money!

[Giancarlo]

And your inconclusive point is?

[el crapo]

Originally posted by YUPAPA
I bought a kitten for 1000USD.
I gave the money to kitten's mother because she produced him..... Does she knows how to use the money to buy cat foods?

Maybe she doesn't know what the heck that is and eats my money!

LoL :D
But WTF does this have to do with anything?:confused:

[Giancarlo]

Absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:

[meow]

I don't think you have to worry about the companies profit, more than for the real small ones. Rest assured the big ones compensate for all the stealing when they set the price, as your super marked calculates with the cost of shop lifting. I feel sorry for the small companies that can't motivate a high price and for law abiding users who have to pay unnecessary high prices.
Then there are also companies like Jasc and Winzip that actullay use the "stealing" to win market shares.

[YUPAPA]

The kitten's mother finally died because she eats thing that she doesn't suppose to eat.

[Dedix]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
well all of my software isn't legal...why have to i pay, if i can download them from the net
it would be bull----...wouldn't it?

You are a crook. You PAY FOR IT TO THE COMPANIES SO THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT, IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO USE FREE!

yes..maybe i'm a crook, but i don't have a lot of money to pay for progs...that's it...
maybe if i would have, i use legal softwares...

[Giancarlo]

You are right about small companies... I hate it when people steal from smaller and medium sized companies that cannot sustain crooks.

Yupapa: Your point is?

[Dusty]

yes..maybe i'm a crook, but i don't have a lot of money to pay for progs...that's it...
maybe if i would have, i use legal softwares...
Well, here's my line of thinking: If you don't have the money to buy something, then you don't get it. You either make the money to purchase it or live without.

Many people will agree with me when I say this about tangible items, but for some reason they seem to think it's all right to steal if it's not a physical theft. I don't see the difference.

[Giancarlo]

yes..maybe i'm a crook, but i don't have a lot of money to pay for progs...that's it...
maybe if i would have, i use legal softwares...

Oh is that right? Can I go into a store and walk out with a TV without paying? No... so what makes it right on the internet? Nothing.

[Dedix]

Originally posted by Dusty

Well, here's my line of thinking: If you don't have the money to buy something, then you don't get it. You either make the money to purchase it or live without.

Many people will agree with me when I say this about tangible items, but for some reason they seem to think it's all right to steal if it's not a physical theft. I don't see the difference.

you meant that i don't have enough money to buy an operating system for my computer, then i don't use it? :D
you didn't mean it, did you?

[YUPAPA]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
You are right about small companies... I hate it when people steal from smaller and medium sized companies that cannot sustain crooks.

Yupapa: Your point is?

Giancarol: Please! I won't talk to you anymore, this is my last reply to you. I've promised everyone that I won't talk to you, so stop talking or arguing with me.

1. I am tired of you. I really tired of you because I always hear from you in almost every thread.
2. I hate arguing. This forum is only for talking about web hosting. This is not the place where we argue.

[Dusty]

you meant that i don't have enough money to buy an operating system for my computer, then i don't use it?
Correct. If you can't afford an OS, then you'll you either have to wait until you can or choose another. Just because you have no money doesn't give you a license to steal. If that were the case I think everyone would strive to be a pauper rather than a millionaire, same effect, but longer lasting.

[Giancarlo]

YUPAPA: You just tried to pull me back in by spelling my name wrong.... it is G---I---A---N---C---A---R---L---O, for the last time.

And what is your point by those statements? No one here gets what you are trying to say, tell me what you point is and I will stop asking... no arguing here.

[Dedix]

Giancarlo, you are so dumb sorry if i was offending, but that's the truth...

[Giancarlo]

No offense, your an fool.
Spell my name right, why the hell can't you?

You are a crook. So dumb? I know things, I have knowledge so no that statement is wrong.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
No offense, your an fool.
Spell my name right, why the hell can't you?

You are a crook. So dumb? I know things, I have knowledge so no that statement is wrong.

listen Giancarlo, some people can't change, even if you want them to. if you are to be a future politician, you're going to have to deal with that, but let's say all you can do is prevent new instances of warez sites, then that is the best you can do and therefore you have given your good deed to society. i do believe that free hosting companies should be a little more wary of who is being hosted with them.

[Dedix]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
No offense, your an fool.
Spell my name right, why the hell can't you?

You are a crook. So dumb? I know things, I have knowledge so no that statement is wrong.

okay, you are right, just go the nearest store and buy the new windoz..but don't forget to PAY :D
so yupapa was right, this is an argument yet, so i'm not going to reply anymore...

[Giancarlo]

I am looking at the DSS for a job: http://www.dss.mil/
It is an option I have open. A non-political job, because I don't think I could support it.

I am tired of arguments you know... 800 of my 1000 posts are mainly in arguments.

No host will help with hosting warez, no free host that is.

[meow]

Come on, I certainly don't mind a little out of topic, but this thread isn't about politics or about you, Giancarlo. Can't we agree that when you feel an urge to discuss either topic you go to the General board and start a new thread? Then we all can go there and ----- if we feel like it.

I think stolen software is kind of a grey zone. I agree, a theft is a theft. But on the other hand it's so usual that most private users depend on it. A working computer needs a lot of software to be to any use. The prices are often ridiculously high. Furthermore I don't think there is a singel software developer that hasn't started out by trying to crack other's programs and pick them apart. It's wrong, yes. But could the market survive without it? It's all a mess really.

[Giancarlo]

Sir, Could you please spell my name right.

On the otherhand, why host warez? There are plenty of warez sites as someone stated... why do we need another one.

[meow]

I'm sorry. You won't believe me but that was an honest mistake. I don't use to call you that. I'll correct it.

[jiminsd]

What's any of this have to do with "help for the newbie"?

Surprise me and let this mercifully end after this post.

[Giancarlo]

We still are talking about warez... in the last few threads.

[gyrbo]

I ones saw a warez host, but I can't seem to find it! I found a small warez site maybe you can see by who they are hosted: http://wrzxl.da.ru ?

[Moonman]

I am gonna have to say something here. Yes some software is expensive, yes you may need it, but it is the software companies that are loosing out. They need that money from the software sales to pay their programmers and developers. Sure a $500 program only cost them about $250 to make (taking in all the costs), but hey how would a company survive without profits. Think of McDonalds, probably only costs them AUS$1.00 to make a bigmac, but they need profits. Every company needs to make money. Take a look at Yupupa, when he started he was offering free unlim space (i think) with no ads, what happened he had to drop the space down to a limit, still no ads, but a limit, and then he also started paid hosting. The point that i am trying to get at, is when you get something for nothing, it hurts the company and soon they will start raising prices. I hate WAREZ, i HATE people who download WAREZ, cause all it is doing is ripping off consumers, who actually get off their arse, get some money and go out and BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way if you find a warez site, find a web crimes site and report it to SHUT THEM DOWN.

[Giancarlo]

I must overwhelmingly agree with you, warez cause hosts to drop their size limits quite a bit. If you don't have money to buy full version software, then how did you get a computer in the first place? I also recommend you report it, probably to the Department of Justice, if the warez site is large enough. Otherwise, to one of those smaller Anti-Warez Crime Fighting Networks.

[bigperm]

No offense, your an fool.
Spell my name right, why the hell can't you?

You are a crook. So dumb? I know things, I have knowledge so no that statement is wrong. The reason why this is funny... No offense, you're a fool. You see, oh great and knowledgable one... your denotes possesion of an object (noun)... you're is a contraction. A contraction combines two words using an apostrophy. You're is the combination of you and are... making the word you're = you are. Also, you only use an when the word following it has a vowel sound. So in your case... you should have used a.

But since you know things, so you have knowledge... so you knew that right?

.::Back to Topic::.
Warez is bad.

[zazoo]

Is it me or is it odd that everyone seems to be for open source on this form but against warez?

open source will lead to more warez then ever before

and I dont think warez is bad depending on how you use it. Whats wrong if I were to download a $3000 program to fidle around with?

whos loosing?

definatly not the company who made it I'll tell you right now I would not buy a $3000 program without not knowing how to do alot of stuff with it

but mabee I will learn how to use it Well. Mabee i would even use it for comercial use. I defenatly wouldn't feel right doing that. Thats when I think it really becomes stealing because now your getting somthing out of there hard work

so now I want it for commercial use when I can make $4000 with this program. I would go out and buy it. Now warez has made me $1000, warez has made the programmers $3000, warez has made my client some sort of media, and warez has made the guy who put up the website $0.05 because he made me click his banner. not to mention the new knowlage I have learned on this program

any loosers? I dont think so

The time warez becomes a problem is when the "Crook" starts gaining from a program where the programmers havent

[Dedix]

i said that i'm not going to reply anymore, but.....
well, i would have a question to everybody who is writing in this topic, exactly how is it that, all of the software companies can subsist even so?

[niv]

Originally posted by zazoo
...open source will lead to more warez then ever before...



um...open source is free and those who download it have the license to redistribute it (GNU/GPL/etc.) and therefore that is not warez. warez (in the dictionary) means:


dictionary.com

warez

/weirz/ A term used by software pirates use to describe a cracked game or application that is made available to the Internet, usually via FTP or telnet, often the pirate will make use of a site with lax security.

Software piracy is illegal and should be reported to the Federation Against Software Theft (FAST).



software pirate a.k.a software theft:


dictionary.com

software theft

<legal> The unauthorised duplication and/or use of computer software. This usually means unauthorised copying, either by individuals for use by themselves or their friends or, less commonly, by companies who then sell the illegal copies to users. Many kinds of software protection have been invented to try to reduce software theft but, with sufficient effort it is always possible to bypass or "crack" the protection, and software protection is often annoying for legitimate users.



okay. now, what does it say about the license?


dictionary.com (software theft)

It is illegal to: 1. Copy or distribute software or its documentation without the permission or licence of the copyright owner.



well...


dictionary.com

open source

<philosophy, legal> A method and philosophy for software licensing and distribution designed to encourage use and improvement of software written by volunteers by ensuring that anyone can copy the source code and modify it freely.

The term "open source" is now more widely used than the earlier term "free software" (promoted by the Free Software Foundation) but has broadly the same meaning - free of distribution restrictions, not necessarily free of charge.

There are various open source licenses available. Programmers can choose an appropriate license to use when distributing their programs.


the GPL public license, as well as other open-source licenses allow, is the redistribution of the software. therefore, it is not software theft, or software piracy, and thus it is not to be considered warez.

all of these definitions can be found at dictionary.com.

[deicide]

everyone keeps tellin him the consequences of a warez site, I'm sure he knows them... If ya want to help him, help hime, but man, don't hassle the guy.

sorry I can't help ya, as I don't know any sites like that.

What you can do...
is go find a large server.. go ahead and upload your files,
then get a redirection service such as www----------. That way, when that server kicks you off for dealing with warez, you can just upload your files to a new server, and change the url for -------- to redirect to. This can be tiresome if you have a slow internet connection... but if your truley devoted to this warez site, that the best idea I can give ya.

back in my warez days, I did this, and it took them about an average of 3 mo. to kick me off... FreeServers.com took 3 years, and that was just because I stopped updating and the account was cancelled because of inactivity.

TTYL
-Dan

[Dusty]

exactly how is it that, all of the software companies can subsist even so?
I take it you're asking how software companies can stay in business despite the fact that they're loosing more and more money by the day to piracy? Very simple answer, in most cases they raise the product's price to make up the difference off legitimate customers. The ones that can't either go out of business or use warez to their advantage (as has been discussed, believe). Not very fair for the honest customers, but from some of these posts here it leads me to believe that fairness is far from being a top priority in most of your minds.


everyone keeps tellin him the consequences of a warez site, I'm sure he knows them... If ya want to help him, help hime, but man, don't hassle the guy.
I believe the phrase you're looking for is "turn a blind eye".

[Archbob]

Well, no free host will host illegal sites.

I suggest you go legal with websites these days becaue no sponsers will support illegeal sites which means you will not be making anything.

The best way if you really want an illegal site is to host yourself but you'd have to pay the colossal cost for the bandwidth.

[deicide]

"I believe the phrase you're looking for is "turn a blind eye"."
-Dusty

When you find his site.. go ahead and report it... but bottom line, he's taking it into his hands to do what he want's to do. If he is willing to risk it, that's his problem, but you don't have the right to be the judge. He is asking for help, If you don't want to help him, then don't. Debating wether warez is ok or not has nothing to do with it. What are you going to do... report him for asking for a site that will take MP3s? Therefore, your not "turning a blind eye" as you said.

All I'm trying to say is to leave the guy alone.. I'm not defending warez.. I believe it to be stealing programmers hard work... but I'm not going to judge him on that basis.

That's all I have to say... I think it is a good idea to end this entire topic. You won't hear from me again on this... I hope everyone does the same...

Thanks for your time
-Dan

[meow]

Uh...we told him how we thought he could go about finding a host in the beginning of the thread. :confused:

[Gayowulf]

If you want a host for warez and illegal stuff, look at your favourite warez hosts to see who whosts them, or host it at a very large FWP, and dont evade ads. on the huge ones you only usually get caught if you are ratted out.

I dont care about warez. it can be good or bad depending on ow you look at it

If you find any child porn, send it to giancarlo, or report it at www.asacp.org

[Archbob]

Well, one more on the warez thing, since this is a interesting thread.

I think its wrong, but I do buy black market CD's simply b/c I can't afford he real copies.

[meow]

I'm with you. Only I don't buy CDs, I download. But I know it's wrong, and the losers aren't the companies (mostly) as much as the honest buyers. Just like I pay more for my food because others shop lift. I have 2 friends that have actually bought WinZip and the thing doesn't even expire. Here's to the honest ones. ;)

[LeX]

This is amazing.... this is the first ever thread that got way off topic then got back on track completely!

Warez is good and bad, it all depends. Nothing's definite.

[meow]

Morally and legally bad and totally wrong, but ach so practiche! ;)
(pardon my French)

[Archbob]

Legally and morally, warez unlike napster cannot be argued for. Simply put, you are stealing copyrighted matierial w/o permission.

Napster had its faults but few upstart musicians wanted their songs on napster. No game company wants their games on a warez site.

However, since I am not Bill gates, I cannot pay $400 for dreamweaver, fireworks, freehand, and such(I did buy psp 7 for $100) and cannot afford to buy games for $50 a piece. So when I seen the software for $1/CD, I must defy my morals, grab the stuff and run.