Why Do Adult Hosts Cost More.....

[vector_matrix]

I am just curious if anyone knows why adult hosts charge more than everyone else. And why is it most web hosts don't support adult content.

[Koolguy]

Because very few hosts want to bother with the risks and issues that adults hosts seem to brin along with them.

[Archbob]

There are a few reasons

1. Adult sites bring legal issues
2. Some hosters actually have morals
3. Adult sites eat up bandwidth like mad

[LeX]

Originally posted by vector_matrix
I am just crurious if anyone knows why adult hosts charge more than everyone else. And why is it most web hosts don't adult adult content.
This guy isn't serious is he?! :eek: Hmm... must be a newbie. *looks at post count* Oh, he is... oops. :p

The underlined part I don't understand. What does it mean to "adult adult" something? :confused:

[vector_matrix]

Originally posted by LeX

This guy isn't serious is he?! :eek: Hmm... must be a newbie. *looks at post count* Oh, he is... oops. :p

Gee thanks for the warm greeting. I'm sure I will feel very welcomed here :) [Sarcasm Meter Going Off The Scale]


The underlined part I don't understand. What does it mean to "adult adult" something? :confused

It was a typo. It was late at night and I was tired, but I wanted to get a reply in the morning.


Some hosters actually have morals

I wont even bother getting into how self-righteous your comments sounds.


very few hosts want to bother with the risks and issues that adults hosts seem to brin along with them.

I assumed there would be some legal and moral issues, but I was wondering if anyone would bring up some other point. I also left the question very open to discussions just to see if I could start an interesting thread. - But I am getting a bad vibe from this community, so it probably wasn't worth the effort.

[lucifer]

Originally posted by vector_matrix

Gee thanks for the warm greeting. I'm sure I will feel very welcomed here :) [Sarcasm Meter Going Off The Scale]

But I am getting a bad vibe from this community, so it probably wasn't worth the effort.

sorry you feel that way.

bandwidth is the main answer.

[Giancarlo]

Adult sites can suck up a lot of bandwitdh... I don't think there is a nicer way to say that.

[Technics]

Reasons why hosts do not like Adult Sites -

1 - You need at least full-time member of staff who can liase with each webmaster.
2 - The risk of child porn turning up on one of the servers.
3 - Server loads - Image archives can put a large strain on the server.
4 - They eat more bandwidth than normal sites.
5 - Spam, People who own porn sites tend todo a lot of spamming.


Those are the main five for me.

[Homeygwiz]

Too much trouble... I am sure that the graphics, media, and other stuff take up too much space to archive and maintain. Also the concurrent hits and bandwidth must be enormous to support.

Most Adult site webmasters probably either spend the money to get a host that will do it our set up a webserver of there own.

The majority though I would think would not benefit from having adult websites for some of the reasons other people posted in this thread.

HGW - ' Porno .... hmm... ' :p

[Gayowulf]

vector_ please accept my apologies for the way some peop0le greeted you :(

anyways, i think bandwidth is the main problem, then comes the fact that if a normal host is hosting one adult site, most likely more adult webmasters will notice this and, because the cost is less, will try to host there too. This would probably ruin it for the rest of the users by slowing everything down

[vector_matrix]

Several people have commented on the bandwidth issue. But what about file archives and other multimedia intensive web sites, why aren't they excluded aswell? Most hosts state the bandwidth limitations and fees for overuse. If asite recieves alot of traffic then the webmaster can pay additional fees if they go over the limit. So the whole bandwidth thing seems like a bad excuse. And everyone assumes that all adult sites are photo and video galleries. What about bulletin boards and ezines?

However, another user brought up an interesting point about child porn issues. - I don't understand why people are into that stuff... and making sure it doesn't get on a server could raise other problems if unsuccessful.

So far the child-porn and spam issues seem to be the most meaningful answers to this question and I never considered anything beyong the public-relations/morals aspect. Thanks for the feedback.

[Gayowulf]

Image Galleries/archives are not allowed at http://www.cavecreek.com/cc1/sub/sales_contact/index.htm that hosting company. I think one might be able to get away with an adult webboard at a normal host, if bandwidth was kept to a minimum, and if no one complained to the host, or if a deal was made.

[jason]

yes bandwidth i guess would be the main problem a lot of hosts just don't want the added hassle or might not have strong enough connections or think that if they host adult material ppl will lose respect for them. i run a couple of adult sites and pay almost $1000/month for my server and bandwidth. with adult hosts you MUST pay in terms of bandwidth. any host that says different is usually no good.

[Gayowulf]

another thing with adult sites is that the webmaster is usually making quite a bit of money off of ads. The pay host keeps this in mind

[Haze]

If you have enough money to go around taking pictures of people getting neked, and going at it ( like on discovery :), than wouldnt you have the money to pay a few hundred for a dedicated server? I dont understand why these people with porn sites can't afford to do that?!? Online porn is one of the only industries actually thriving in todays market. I personally don't understand why people think its wrong. Its an art, just sometimes in bad taste. (I wasnt born wearing levi's after all)

[Giancarlo]

The Problem with hosting porn is that child porn could pop up as many have said. Child porn is closely monitored by the FBI, and the CIA... and in the country I am in, the FSS. The Server could be shut down and confisicated as evidence in a trial that could occur if the child porn problem gets noticed by any authorities.

[Haze]

Not to mention a lot of New porn sites use images they find on other porn sites which have copyrights on them.

[Gayowulf]

as many people see it:

Nudity (can be tasteful, artful etc.)= Adult Content*=Porn=Gross,Tasteless, Disgusting, Raunchy, Bad, Immoral.


* I have never understood the laws of what one can and cant see if one is a minor. I believe in free speech, and I believe that if a minor wants to see 2 fat grannies having raunchy lesbian sex he/she should be allowed to. We should be the judge of what we want to see. Another thing that bothers me is all the connotations of porn. Everyone has a definition.

[meow]

No netnanny for you, I hear.

[Haze]

Personally i dont see any problem with pornography. I think sex is healthy and a good sexual appetite is extremely healthy. As long as you play safe its all good. You cant catch a disease by visiting a web site. And obviously they exist because a majority of internet users find it a great piece of entertainment. I myself don't surf porn sites but I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Sex is evil, evil is sin, sin is forgiven, so sex is IN!

[vector_matrix]

Originally posted by evilhaze
If you have enough money to go around taking pictures of people getting neked, and going at it ( like on discovery :), than wouldnt you have the money to pay a few hundred for a dedicated server? I dont understand why these people with porn sites can't afford to do that

What are you talking about!? There are many free adult sites that have content submitted/generated by the users. And even if it is created by the webmaster, it doesn't mean he paid alot of money.... maybe he has a girlfriend or a parternership..... I get really angry when people keep saying "Why do you want to save money? It's like.... "If you don't have alot of money you aren't should try to be an entrpreneur."

[Giancarlo]

You cant catch a disease by visiting a web site.

Well your computer can catch a virus....

On another note, I think all sites should have protection like some IDkey so minors CANNOT access it...

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

On another note, I think all sites should have protection like some IDkey so minors CANNOT access it...

Why? I can understand children, but why all minors?

One thing i do disagree with is pornb sites that have innocent URLs that one can run across by mistake, or a site designating itself as your start page, without asking.

[Dusty]

I think all sites should have protection like some IDkey so minors CANNOT access it...I forget where I read this so I'm probably misquoting, but anyway:

"The new TV ratings allow parents to get a vague grasp of what their children are looking at without actually taking an active part in their lives"

I'd feel the same if something like TV ratings were done for the Internet as well.

[Giancarlo]

It is against the law for anyone to view pornography under the age of 18 and 21 in some areas, it is considered a felony in Argentina... but is less serious in the states where it is considered as misdemeanour.

Anyone under the age of 18 should not be permitted to view pornography. That is my opinion.

[Gayowulf]

I understand it is against the law. Why is it against the law, and how are the authorities going to catch you?

[meow]

Illegal me this and illagal me that.

[LeX]

Originally posted by vector_matrix
Gee thanks for the warm greeting. I'm sure I will feel very welcomed here :) [Sarcasm Meter Going Off The Scale]
Excuse me for being completely shocked... and I was half joking and half being sarcastic if you didn't quite catch it. To help you, I added the :p smilie, but I guess you didn't understand. Well! Sor-rie! :rolleyes:


It was a typo. It was late at night and I was tired, but I wanted to get a reply in the morning.
Yeah, I figured it was a typo... it was late a night, and I was very snappy, so sorry for being a bit mean. :p


I also left the question very open to discussions just to see if I could start an interesting thread. - But I am getting a bad vibe from this community, so it probably wasn't worth the effort.
Hey, apart from me, everybody else was being very helpful. Stop jumping to conclusions... :)

[LeX]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
One thing i do disagree with is pornb sites that have innocent URLs that one can run across by mistake
*lol* Da White House!! :D:D:D

[Todd]

I would have to agree with the issues already bought up. Another issue that I don't believe I saw is that right now most hosting companies over sell themselves. They offer a plan where if every one of their customers used the max storage and bandwidth offered they wouldn't be profitable and would probably go bankrupt. They can play the odds, as many sites don't use much bandwidth/space.

However, with adult sites they will use that bandwidth and disk space. Not to mention they are usually much more disk intensive due to their popularity. Dedicated servers are usually much better suited for adult sites for all the reasons people have pointed out in this thread.

[vector_matrix]

Originally posted by LeX
Excuse me for being completely shocked... and I was half joking and half being sarcastic if you didn't quite catch it. To help you, I added the :p smilie, but I guess you didn't understand. Well! Sor-rie! :rolleyes:

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh, but I always find message boards that have rude and cynical users who criticize everything and everything people say.

But, what I am about to say isn't meant to continue the argument.....

In the quote above you were defending what was suppose to be a half-joking comment, but then you say


you didn't quite catch it. To help you, I added the smilie, but I guess you didn't understand. Well! Sor-rie!


that stament sounded condescending... :)


Hey, apart from me, everybody else was being very helpful. Stop jumping to conclusions... :) [/B]

I didn't say the users weren't helpful, instead I choose to direct the majority of my comments towards you personally. :p

And despite yet another use of a smiley face, you still accused me of be irrational with the phrase "jumping to conclusions". :)

You don't seem to understand that adding cute graphics to the end of staments doesn't overide the tone of your comments. ;) In fact, it can make your comments seem even more patronizing. When you made a reference about me being a newbie, it didn't sound very friednly, but you had a smiley face, so I just assumed it was all in good fun. But when taken into context with the rest of the message, I could also assume you meant it as an insult to me as a "naive new users". :eek:

I'm not a picky person and I don't go around looking for fights, unless it is a debate that is meant to be challenged. - Frankly, I'm not really dwelling over your comments, but since you implied I can't take a joke, I decided to defend myself for the reasons for my orginal reply.:rolleyes:

Even as you read this, the constant use of smilies gives the impression that I am mocking you, but it was just meant to make you realize the impression you give with your own messages.:D

Kidding, ok, that's the last time I will use a smilely face!

(Instead I have to decided to inapropriately use exclamation marks!... in tribue to Elain from Seinfeld and also to provide a lame jock for fans of the show!)

[gyrbo]

It is against the law for anyone to view pornography under the age of 18 and 21 in some areas, it is considered a felony in Argentina... but is less serious in the states where it is considered as misdemeanour.

Anyone under the age of 18 should not be permitted to view pornography. That is my opinion.

Here the age is 16 I believe. Well, we can *legally* watch an adult movie!

[meow]

Freedom of watching?:p
I don't really know if we have a legal age when it comes to watching. For performimg in them, yes. And it's not allowed to sell p-movies to persons under 15 (I think). But if a kid watches porn on TV I hardly think he is performing an illegal act.

[Giancarlo]

The laws state at least in the US that the minimum age of watching porn is age 18. In Argentina it is 21, I would think Argentina is like Europe, because they nearly copy everything Europe does, especially Spain.

[meow]

Originally posted by meow
I don't really know if we have a legal age when it comes to watching...
...But if a kid watches porn on TV I hardly think he is performing an illegal act.

We here meaning Sweden. Sweden is a nation. One of many nations found in Europe. Europe is a continent. The laws and regulations of Sweden or any other European country are not affected by the laws of USA or Argentina. Nor do FBI, CBI or NBC have any jurisdiction here.
Hope this helps. :)

[Giancarlo]

Nor did I say anything about Sweden. :mad:
I was talking about Argentina and the US.

[bigperm]

Nor do FBI, CBI or NBC have any jurisdiction here. NBC... haha haha.

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by meow


FBI, CBI or NBC have any jurisdiction here.
Hope this helps. :)

CBI is from my country. Central Bureau of Investigtion.

[gyrbo]

Nobody mentioned the CIA! And interpol? And shotland Yard!

[meow]

I'm sorry. I actually meant CIA. lol. Lastaction must have subversively infiltrated my mind. ;)

[jason]

in canada some tv channels show softcore porn at night. and regular is tv is allowed to show nudity and course language after 9pm. its a nice change from the american channels that will allow extreme violence but the naked body, well thats just too coruptive.

[gyrbo]

I once was home at night, and I was so borred I watched TV. Nothing goog on so I zapped around a little, until I found this nice program, a pron thing. Not hardcore or anuthing. Well, I turned off the TV imediantly and went to sleep.

[meow]

You will get you reward in heaven, Gyrbo. You did the right thing. :rolleyes:

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by jason
in canada some tv channels show softcore porn at night. and regular is tv is allowed to show nudity and course language after 9pm. its a nice change from the american channels that will allow extreme violence but the naked body, well thats just too coruptive.

Showcase on Friday nights. do NOTwatch "kink"!!

When i saw it it was a documentary on S&M eughh!:mad:

[LeX]

Originally posted by vector_matrix
I'm sorry if I seemed harsh, but I always find message boards that have rude and cynical users who criticize everything and everything people say.
I do that sometimes. :p


I didn't say the users weren't helpful, instead I choose to direct the majority of my comments towards you personally.
What you said was: "But I am getting a bad vibe from this community, so it probably wasn't worth the effort." See? You were directing that statement at the whole community, not just me personally. The thing is, I was the only one who was "rude and cynical and criticizing everything and everything people say", not the other people. :rolleyes:


You don't seem to understand that adding cute graphics to the end of staments doesn't overide the tone of your comments. ;) In fact, it can make your comments seem even more patronizing.
Those emoticons are there to help you understand the tone of a statement. (Unlike you,) I put 'em there for a reason, and they fit with the sentences their added after (unlike yours). It's okay if you don't quite understand how these emoticons were used, though... 'cause you're new here, and that's a newbie. I don't see how you saw that as an insult, but hey, it's cool.....


When you made a reference about me being a newbie, it didn't sound very friednly, but you had a smiley face, so I just assumed it was all in good fun.
That's the correct approach.

But when taken into context with the rest of the message, I could also assume you meant it as an insult to me as a "naive new users".
The rest of the message? You mean the part where I pointed out the grammar mistake you made in the middle of the night? What does that have to do with anything? BTW... you've got another grammar error there...


I'm not a picky person and I don't go around looking for fights, unless it is a debate that is meant to be challenged. - Frankly, I'm not really dwelling over your comments, but since you implied I can't take a joke, I decided to defend myself for the reasons for my orginal reply.
What, you think that I like "debating" (your so-called fights)? I've had enough of these lively conversations... but when somebody mistakens me or accuses me of something, I have to defend myself as well, don't I?


Even as you read this, the constant use of smilies gives the impression that I am mocking you, but it was just meant to make you realize the impression you give with your own messages.
No, you're just putting them at the end of your sentences for the hell of it. You have to use them correctly, not blindly.
When you ask a question, you add this: :confused: When you are angry, you add this: :mad: When you are joking, you add this: :p this: ;) or this: :D I believe you know that... but by the way you're using them, you give me the impression that you don't know how to use them. So, the smilies you added were definitely there for the purpose of mocking me. That's my assumption anyway. Could be wrong, but that's for you to correct and explain.

[Gayowulf]

Lex, Drop it. No one cares, and this is kinda the wrong topic. Take it up via Pm, if you wish.

[vector_matrix]

~This is in response to comments made by Lex~

I don't intend on prolonging this argument and this will most likely be my last reply to your statments unless you say something so way off I must make another response.

Anyway, I wont bother using alot of quotes in this reply. - When I said the MAJORITY of my comments were directed towards that does not mean I denied my comment towards the end of the message. (about getting a bad vibe from the community) when I replied to that message I had not read all of the messages past your first repsonse, so my comment about the "bad vibe" was based on those first few messages.



The rest of the message? You mean the part where I pointed out the grammar mistake you made in the middle of the night? What does that have to do with anything? BTW... you've got another grammar error there...

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion when I was actually referring to your "newbie" comment.


When I chose to imitate your use of emtion icons you said...


Those emoticons are there to help you understand the tone of a statement. (Unlike you,) I put 'em there for a reason, and they fit with the sentences their added after (unlike yours). It's okay if you don't quite understand how these emoticons were used, though... 'cause you're new here, and that's a newbie.

Firstly, I realize that it was not an exact imitation of your icon usage. When you added those graphics they seemed out of place because of the tone of your message. And when I decided to use the icons for my message they were meant to seem out of place since the tone of my message suggested I was mocking you and annoyed at your attitude.

Even when you tried to defend yourself in the quote above with comments such as ". (Unlike you,) I put 'em there for a reason, and they fit with the sentences their added after" you still didn't prove anything. Who are you to determine the emotions I tried to convey and how I should do it? Why didn't it occur to you that maybe your comments don't seem sincere because of the contradictions between your sarcasm/icons and the tone of your message?

Lastly, you still continued to patronized me with comments such as "It's okay if you don't quite understand...

The conclusion of your previous response was smug and arogant and I realize that nothing I say will make you realize that. I suppose you must believe that your defense is valid, but you wont even consider the possibility that you are wrong. - In my orginal reply I expressed how I felt and you basically told me that I should feel that way. Eversince, your replies have included condescending statments which that I am wrong simply because I qestion your attitude. If you can't consider the possibility that you are wrong what is the point in having an argument?


*** Just in case you decide to accuse me of being a hyprocrite, remember... at first I never made any arogant statments towards you... I was simply expressing my feelings. Thenagain, if you don't see how your comments could be interpreted as pompous and pretentious what can I do? ***

And just in case you make another redundant reply, I am curious if anyone has any comments? I know that it fraustrating when two people use a public forum for arguments, but I would like to see a different perspective.

[Gayowulf]

Yes, it annoys me. Not so much you, Vector, or lex, but the fact that this little debate is over the proper use of emoticons. I was not aware that there were guidelines on proper use. Lex was just being a bastard earlier on, and that is that. No big deal. Its all over.

Thaks Vector for seeing this from an outsider's view and realizing that it might be annoying.

[meow]

Originally posted by vector_matrix
[BAnd just in case you make another redundant reply, I am curious if anyone has any comments? [/B]
Nope. Quarrels are like the air we breath around here. No comments.

[vector_matrix]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
Yes, it annoys me. Not so much you, Vector, or lex, but the fact that this little debate is over the proper use of emoticons. I was not aware that was a proper way to use them. Lex was just being a bastard earlier on, and that is that. No big deal. Its all over.

You're right. I think we both got distracted from something that is much more important..... PORNOGRAPHY! Many people have made some interesting replies and I was worried that this miight turn into some sort of religious preaching, but so far it seems that alot of people have some interesting (objective) thoughts to share.

[Gayowulf]

At least this quarrel is [was] quasi-intelligent; Not like some which were all in the name of post count and for the purpose of pissing others off

[Todd]

vector_matrix and LeX follow Gayowulf's advice and take it up via PM. We don't need the thread getting off topic any more so any replies regarding your personal message exchanges will be removed. Keep it on topic or don't post at all.

[Koolguy]

Another intresting problem with canadaian laws. You're legally allowed to have sex at the age of forteen, however you are not allowed to look at pornograpy until the age of eighteen. :confused:

[meow]

Funny, but there could be reasons like most porn today don't feature 'normal' sex and they may think that's not suitable view for an innocent mind. Neither do I, in fact. If it just soft stuff it would be another matter.

[Gayowulf]

Its funny isnt it Koolguy. Take a picture of your girl naked and get busted:( Canadian sex laws are actually not as tight as some other countries.

Meow- I agree. I dont like that gross stuff. i.e XXX

[meow]

It's just that I have became convinced that what people see in porn actually can affect their own sexual behavior. Especially if you are insecure or young and experienced. When you are like 14-15 you aren't supposed to do more than the "usual". That should come later, if ever. Anyway, when you are sure you want it and like it. Not because you think that is the way to have sex.

[vector_matrix]

I think the reason why there are so many contradictions with sexuality and pornography is because of the conflicting attitudes in North American culture. So many people think sex or even nudity is evil and immoral. But what is nudity? The full body? A gential? A nipple? Maybe the better question is, who cares?

Of course, the Europeans don't seem to be uptight about it, while Canadians view sexuality as an artform, while sharing the American's attitude that sexuality should not be a natural part of life.

Getting back to the very original topic.....

I don't like the fact that web hosts can use their discretion to determine what is adult content. Maybe what I consider to be a sexy photo (without nudity) can be considered inapropriate by a web host. - I find this very fraustrating, because not only am I not allowed to host photos, I can't even have candid discusiions about sex without paying a ridiculous fee for special hosting.

I'm not some guy with a camera and dirty fantasies.... I'm just a young adult that wants to be able to explore sexuality and pop culture on a fun web site.

I am now hosting my site on my home PC with a high speed connection. And since the internet advertsing industry is dying.. I don't have to worry about agencies forcing their attitudes on my content.

(My sever is being overloaded... oddly enough it has nothing to do with sexuality... instead, I have been getting alot of publicity because of some video clips for the new Star Trek series... yes I know, I'm a nerd :) )

Also, in response to previous replies.... i don't understand why everyone is using the "bandwidth" defense. If that was case, why do some hosts offer adult plans that are identical to regular plans, but 5 times the price? I also believe someone made a good point about the popularity of adult sites in relation to web hosting companies that over sell their services. But again... why assume that all adult sites recieve huge amounts of hits. Not all adult sites are multimedia intensive, sometimes a site could simply have essays, poems and humorous commentaries/observations. Unfortunately, web hosts have user Agreements that are so inflexible..... it mirrors that fraustrating attitude of society itself.

[Gayowulf]

All of that is completely true. I think in order to host your site, you may have to turn to a host in country more comfortable, and well educated about sex, or turn to a foreign free host that never checks its content (www.mujweb.cz)

[meow]

Probably because, as someone said, they know an adult site will use the bandwidth and probably be heavy on resources in other ways too. Few normal sites use up their quota.

[Gayowulf]

What if your site is considered adult just because of the discussion that is going on. Surely it wouldnot use up large bandwidth quotas, and a simple hosting package would do just fine, except that it costs $50/month ust because it is adult. that is the feature that ads the price.

[meow]

Not Donnovan. :)

Have you checked there, vector_matrix? He won't bleed you. I'm not sure on which plans adult is allowed. Seems like on the cheaper ones???? He does costum too. Donnovan hangs out here and is a fair guy.
http://www.servus.ws/

[vector_matrix]

Originally posted by Koolguy
Another intresting problem with canadaian laws. You're legally allowed to have sex at the age of forteen, however you are not allowed to look at pornograpy until the age of eighteen. :confused:

Are you sure? I could have sworn canadian teens who sex with girls not much older than 14 are charged for rape by default.

Well at least we get to have late night porn on CityTV, Bravo and Showcase Television.... God Bless Canada! (I'm an atheist but I still like using the expression :) ) Thenagain, all of those stations are owned by the same company CHUM... when you think about it most Canadians are stuck up excpet for a few people who have alot of power and influence.

[jason]

actually i don't think there is a law saying what age you can have sex, its just the age of consent, like if 2 12 year olds have sex they won't get in trouble but if an 18 year old has sex with a 12 year old thats rape. and only in British Columbia is the age of consent 14, all other provinces its 16.

[LeX]

Why did my post get deleted? I was positive I didn't make any personal attacks, I didn't use any abusive language, and I was apologizing! :mad: