Athlon vs. Pentium IV

[niv]

it has been brought up...let's see how many responses i get ;)

[Giancarlo]

Althon kicks ---! Clearly Superior technology...

[gyrbo]

I'll have to go with P4. I like the intel stuff. Anyway, I'm planning on buying an AMD. But then I'll have to buy a new power supply. Crappy 250W!

[LastActionHero]

Athlon kicks ---!!!!

[niv]

i wonder if anyone is going to vote for STFU!!! :)

[stu]

STFU!! :D

[niv]

:rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

What kind of Chip is the STFU? ;)

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
What kind of Chip is the STFU? ;)

it is the best chip available...the UNLIMITED mHz chip!!! :D:D:D;););)

maybe you should get one of the STFU chip's mugs: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/3788.html :D

[Giancarlo]

Hmmm, sounds interesting. :cool:

[Koolguy]

I said athlon because I'm using one right now and whenever I voice any support about Intel it suddenly locks up... :D

[Rick]

Actually, with the next generation STFU, you'll be able to build a server capable of unlimited bandwith and web space for under $5/year.
Oh yeah... And with a few add-ons it will host a free full domain web site with no ads, unlimited IP addresses and sub domains with CGI, PHP, PDQ, WTF and most of the rest of the alphabet... All from a 56k dial-up connection and without tying up your phone line.

P.S. Athlon!!

[niv]

STFU!!!, (and) LOOK FOR IT IN STORES!!!

[LeX]

Athlon (I'm using it :D)

[meow]

LeEeEeEeEeX!!!;)

[LeX]

YeEeEeEeEeS??!

[meow]

lol! I was glad to see you. This was before I read you other 300 posts. ;)

[LeX]

:rolleyes:

What was wrong with my 300 other use(ful/less) posts? :D

[meow]

They didn't have the same freshness? :rolleyes:

[Archbob]

Didn't you know that STFU is the "Shut the Fu*k up" chip. Its clearly superior in technology putting intel and AMD in their places of inferiority.

But seriously:

Intel---Is better for 3-d gaming. If you can tell the difference between 130fps and 150fps(which I can't) then go for intel.

AMD--Better for real world applications and with its ties to DDR ram instead of RDRAM like intel, its alot cheaper. I think AMD is the better deal all-around.

[Bonesgeo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


it is the best chip available...the UNLIMITED mHz chip!!! :D:D:D;););)

maybe you should get one of the STFU chip's mugs: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/3788.html :D

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anything like unlimitted space

[meow]

:rolleyes: http://www.macopinion.com/columns/engine/01/07/25/index.html

[Giancarlo]

What a stupid article, Apple will never catch up... and AMD chips are faster anyways imo.

[meow]

If you read the article you will find it's about processors, not about Mac. But anything you say GC. :)

[Giancarlo]

Towards the end of the article it did.

[Gayowulf]

i prefer celeron processors.

[Bruce]

The only reason I prefer AMD is because they're good for overclocking. I got my K-6 475MHZ overclocked at 650MHZ :cool:

[niv]

have you ever tried double speed? :eek:

[Coolin]

Go Athlon!

Anyway... Some dude overclocked a Pentium 200 to 1GHz and it works when put in a freezer at -40 degrees (Celcius or Feranheit (sp?) doesn't matter)

[Bruce]

My cpu is still running nice and cool. Only 34°C. Wonder what this thing can really do.

[Coolin]

How do you find out the temperature of your CPU? :confused:

[meow]

Not Kelvin anyway.;)

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by Coolin
How do you find out the temperature of your CPU? :confused:

you use a thermometer. you could use kelvin if you wanted to.

[meow]

:oOops! My above post was Re:

Originally posted by Coolin
Go Athlon!

Anyway... Some dude overclocked a Pentium 200 to 1GHz and it works when put in a freezer at -40 degrees (Celcius or Feranheit (sp?) doesn't matter)

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Coolin
How do you find out the temperature of your CPU? :confused:


If your motherbord supports it there are software like motherboard monitor which give you the temperature and all other real time stats for your processor and motherboard.

[lucifer]

34° is cool mine seems to like 52°

[Bruce]

Well yours could probably be cooler if you had 6 fans too.

But 52º seems a bit warm. I'm guessing you must have an Athlon? They usually tend to run a little warmer.

[lucifer]

Originally posted by Phrozen
I'm guessing you must have an Athlon? correct

[niv]

haha...i heard that intel was going to cut the price on its Pent. IV (crap!) chip by 54%...

[Bruce]

They really need to cut the price. The Athlon 1.4GHZ performs much better then the Pentium 4 1.8GHZ and is half the price.

[Giancarlo]

I wouldn't pay a wooden nickel for a Pentium IV.

[niv]

IMHO only people who don't know what they're doing buy intel chips :mad:

[stu]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
IMHO only people who don't know what they're doing buy intel chips :mad:

Last I checked, Intel has a huge market share (P3 and Xeon) in the server market, Athlon has very little, especially since they've only just recently introduced multiprocessing support.

I like Athlon. I have an Athlon 1GHz, it's a powerful and cheap cpu, but they are damn hot.. 8 secs without a heatsink and they fry themselves to death... I think only the latest Athlon 4 Palomino (are these out yet?) has a thermal diode that can monitor core temp, and throttle down or shutdown the cpu to avoid burnout... P3's have had this feature all along..

[niv]

i thought you liked the STFU chip ;)

[Giancarlo]

Although Intel controls most of the server market, around 80-85% of it, AMD controls more than 60% of the home computing market according to recent reports... this is growing as AMD is faster, cheaper and more efficent.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by stu
I think only the latest Athlon 4 Palomino (are these out yet?) has a thermal diode that can monitor core temp, and throttle down or shutdown the cpu to avoid burnout

Yep, the Athlon MP's are out now.

[stu]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Although Intel controls most of the server market, around 80-85% of it, AMD controls more than 60% of the home computing market according to recent reports... this is growing as AMD is faster, cheaper and more efficent.

What is your source?

[Giancarlo]

There was a mention of it on the AMD website not long ago.

[stu]

Last I read from the AMD website is that they were planning on taking 30% of the desktop CPU market share by the end of this year.. I think they are almost there, right now..

Intel still controls a lot of the desktop market, although I've heard P4 sales sucked compared to their estimates (less than half sold than predicted). As for the server market, I think they have an 80% market share in servers with dual and quad cpus, but servers with 8 or more cpus, Intel has less than 50% market share. The bigger portion is controlled by Sun Ultrasparc.. Although that might have changed since Intel aquired Alpha technology last month..

[Coolin]

Originally posted by LastActionHero
If your motherbord supports it there are software like motherboard monitor which give you the temperature and all other real time stats for your processor and motherboard. I looked in download.com and all the search results had a rating of lower than 40%. Does anyone know of a good program that works nicely?

[stu]

motherboard monitor (http://mbm.livewiredev.com/)

[Coolin]

Thanks! I'll go and try out the program right now!

[Coolin]

Wow... My CPU is at a cool 0 degrees... :(

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Coolin
Wow... My CPU is at a cool 0 degrees... :(

Your motherboard doesn't support temperature read outs or you have an older driver. What is your motherboard?

[Coolin]

No clue...
But it's fairly new since I have a Pentium 3 733MHz running on it.

I'm pretty sure it's an Asus...

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Coolin
No clue...
But it's fairly new since I have a Pentium 3 733MHz running on it.

I'm pretty sure it's an Asus...


Hmm then there should be some other problem. Check the help files or use some other software. Or try to upgrade your drivers for the motherboard.

[adizlaja]

52 fahrenheit to hot??? hold sh*t mine hit 100 the other day

:eek:

[Bruce]

52 Celcius, bot Farenheit.... Don't tell me your back to digging up old threads agian.

[adizlaja]

LOL, sorry i was looking for threads on athlons so i found this, BTW i have enough to get a avatar anyway. so u mean t52 celcius

[Bruce]

Whenever referring to PC temps. it's more than likely going to be in degrees celcius.

[trenzterra]

I think I'll go with AthlonXP as my next processor, at least until Intel Pentium gets faster.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by trenzterra
at least until Intel Pentium gets faster.
2000 MHz isn't fast enough for ya? What ya want 3000, 4000 MHz? I'd still take even a 1400 MHz Athlon over a 2000 MHz Pentium 4 anyday.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Phrozen

2000 MHz isn't fast enough for ya? What ya want 3000, 4000 MHz? I'd still take even a 1400 MHz Athlon over a 2000 MHz Pentium 4 anyday. umm no I mean now Athlon is faster than Pentium 4(AthlonXP). I must wait till Intel Pentium 4: 2ghz == AMD Athlon 3ghz
:D

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by adizlaja
LOL, sorry i was looking for threads on athlons so i found this, BTW i have enough to get a avatar anyway. so u mean t52 celcius I didn't know this until you posted it. Looked so recent.

[Cyber]

pentium IV!!!!

[niv]

Originally posted by adizlaja
LOL, sorry i was looking for threads on athlons so i found this, BTW i have enough to get a avatar anyway. so u mean t52 celcius
You haven't even uploaded an avatar yet! :rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

I just installed a Thunderbird 1400 with DDR-RAM... damn, what a difference. Much faster than any crappy PIV I play tested at a computer store.

(Check out my new avatar of US General Perishing)

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
(Check out my new avatar of US General Perishing) Do you actually think we know who any of these peopel are?

[niv]

Originally posted by Phrozen
Do you actually think we know who any of these peopel are?

Some of us do know who these generals are. You'll be studying about him in US History Junior or Senior year (depending on how your high school does things).

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Phrozen
Do you actually think we know who any of these peopel are?

General Pershing led the American Expeditionary Forces in Europe during WWI, all 2 million of them. So he is usually hailed as a hero from saving the civilized world from those horrible German Kaisers.

[Dusty]

You'll be studying about him in US History Junior or Senior year (depending on how your high school does things).I haven't got a clue who those people are, I don't recall ever being taught any of that. Let's see, there was a war, over in or maybe around Europe, then another one... Hitler was involved, something about Nostradamus... the end. That covers WWI and WWII, nothing went on in between so that doesn't matter. :D

The wonders of our nation's public schools! Everything I know I've pieced together from movies, books, and the odd magazine article.

[Giancarlo]

Damned School system!
They can't even teach us WWI, WWII, and Korean war heros. Damn, Pershing defeated the Germans in WWI and served under government for a little while later as Defense Secretary. McGarther was the legend of WWII, but had a fallout with Truman during the Korean war.

I can't believe some of you never learned that! Don't you watch documentaries?

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Damned School system!
They can't even teach us WWI, WWII, and Korean war heros. Damn, Pershing defeated the Germans in WWI and served under government for a little while later as Defense Secretary. McGarther was the legend of WWII, but had a fallout with Truman during the Korean war.
*shrug*, maybe some high schools are not very strict about US History. Their AP US History courses should have them though.


Originally posted by Giancarlo
I can't believe some of you never learned that! Don't you watch documentaries?
Well there's always The American Experience on PBS.

[rapmaster]

I'm goin with the p4, AMD totally blows. The can only handle one program at a time where as my P3 can handle about 10 programs running at once before it event starts to think about how slow its gona be when I run 10 more programs

[Bruce]

Originally posted by rapmaster
I'm goin with the p4, AMD totally blows. The can only handle one program
That would depend on the amount of ram too, not just the cpu. P4's are better for gaming, but Athlons still out perform the Pentium in most programs. Intel is way overpriced though, with AMD you get much more bang for the buck.

[rapmaster]

hummm I think the P4 is just a bunch of crap myself, I've always been a fan of the P2 and P3 their better and their price has been dirt cheap because of the P4 :D

[Bruce]

Originally posted by rapmaster
I'm goin with the p4,

Originally posted by rapmaster
I think the P4 is just a bunch of crap
Am I missing something here? :confused:

[niv]

Originally posted by rapmaster
hummm I think the P4 is just a bunch of crap myself, I've always been a fan of the P2 and P3 their better and their price has been dirt cheap because of the P4 :D
Yeah, my old 450 Mhz PII test box still works great! 784 MB RAM! :D

[sp0radic]

I like my Duron (@ 766mhz). It actually beats a P3 @ the same speed. :D

I should be getting a Cely 300A/333. Why? Cause they hit 450mhz easy, and some even get to 500mhz. :D

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
784 MB RAM! :D
Shouldn't that be 768?

[niv]

huh?

256 MBx3 - 768 MB
16 MBx1 - 16 MB
768+16=784 MB

[Bruce]

I just never thought someone would have a 16 meg stick with 3 256 meg sticks.

[Giancarlo]

Phrozen, perhaps rapmaster wants to stick with a crapy CPU like the P4, respectively anybody that buys a P4 either has a very low IQ, or likes to spend money on something not worth it. Like Disneyland.

Who the hell would have 3 256MB Sticks and 1 16MB stick of ram? Oh wait a minute... wait a minute... the limit on the board is probably 784... bingo.

Duron is a pretty good CPU, but the Thunderbird kicks ---. Let me do an analogy, the Thunderbird beats the P4 like the US is beating Afghanistan.


Originally posted by Hayama-kun

Well there's always The American Experience on PBS.

PBS?

I mean something real, like the Discovery Channel. Public Broadcasting Station? Come on...

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
PBS?

I mean something real, like the Discovery Channel. Public Broadcasting Station? Come on...
Got problems with PBS? What's wrong with PBS? :D


Originally posted by Giancarlo
Who the hell would have 3 256MB Sticks and 1 16MB stick of ram? Oh wait a minute... wait a minute... the limit on the board is probably 784... bingo.
Actually, I just felt like reusing my old RAM sticks.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun

Got problems with PBS? What's wrong with PBS? :D


Ugh! It is almost like NPR. A liberal stronghold... if at best. I only like the facts.


Actually, I just felt like reusing my old RAM sticks.

Damn. I thought I would be right. Doesn't old ram bog the system down?

[LeX]

Originally posted by Phrozen
I just never thought someone would have a 16 meg stick with 3 256 meg sticks. I used to have a 4MB stick along with a 8MB stick. :D (on my ol' 486)

[Archbob]

Atholon costs less and DDR costs less than RDRAM, and AMD runs server apps better anyways.