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Agum
July 25th, 2001, 23:33
personally I hate it a lot. apparently some sites with bad design think it's cool to make their scrollbars the same color as their background and it's hard as f**k to browse around their sites. the scrollbar is part of the browser window, not the page, and should be left as it is.. I think the people who made CSS went too far on design customization :p

although there is always a slight (very) possiblity that colored scrollbars are actually used well... you don't see it much though.
Dusty
July 25th, 2001, 23:58
Although I rarely use IE (Mozilla's my browser, I just use IE to check for website compatibility), I despise them. I despise any gimmicky fad designed to try to distract you from the lack of any real content, as this is what colored scrollbars most often are used for.

I don't really like CSS, period. I very seldom use CSS, when I do it's just to remove the underline from links. Something else I really don't understand is why people use CSS in situations where they don't need to, take background images or default font colors for example. CSS is not needed for that, why use it?

I don't like anything that wants me to change my browsing habits.
Blizzy
July 26th, 2001, 01:30
Heh...
Dusty, I have the exact opposite view. Well actually, I stand neutral with scrollbar colours, but with everything else that you just said, I contradict it.

CSS is the future in web development. It offers more control over your page's layout --> exact positioning of backgrounds, better text style control (for ex: font sizes defined with the non-CSS way uses only numerical values alone 1, 2, 3, etc; whereas in CSS, you have a value AND a unit. for example: 10 px, 10 pt, 10 em, etc.), enhanced table control, better integration with javascript,

In addition, it allows the webmasters to better maintain their website through good use of its "cascading" feature. Styles can be remotely linked from an external file, allowing the webmaster to change the properties of a selector. end result: all styles that are defined by that selector in the HTML document are changed automatically. A live example: defining background-images, background-colours, margins, etc through the body tag and then some font texts thereafter with the non-CSS way:

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<html>
<head>
<title>hi</title>
</head>

<body bgcolor="#123456" background="wheeeee.gif" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0">

<h1>hehehehe</h1>
<font face="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif" size="2" color="#654321">
hi there<br>
<font size="3">some more text</font><br>
hi again
</font>
</body>
</html>





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The CSS way, defined either in an external file or within the document like this:

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

<html xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
<title>hi</title>

<style type="text/css">
body {
background: #123456 url(wheeeee.gif);
margin: 0px;
}

.defaultText {
font: 12px verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;
color: #654321;
}
</style>
</head>

<body>
<span class="defaultText">
hi there<br />
<div style="font-size: 14px;">some more text</div>
hi again
</span>
</body>
</html>





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Doesn't the CSS version look a bit less cluttered and more manageable? Some more info: the font tag has become deprecated by the W3C as of HTML 4. The only, and correct way, of defining text in subsequent versions of HTML (XHTML) is with CSS.


I hate Netscape. Especially Netscape 4.x. And I just wish that it would just die. The reason being is because of its lack of ability to render things correctly ... even when my code is 100% compliant with W3C. IE is better, but not flawless.

I'd love to write more about why CSS is better than the other way, but this posting is getting too lengthy :p.

Blizzy
Dusty
July 26th, 2001, 01:42
I remain unchanged as how I feel towards CSS. I'll probably give a more in-depth response tomorrow, but before I go to bed I must say one thing:


Doesn't the CSS version look a bit less cluttered and more manageable?You're joking, right?
Blizzy
July 26th, 2001, 01:51
it'll look more apparent with a webpage with alot of code :)
Blizzy
July 26th, 2001, 01:56
maybe if i filter out all the XHTML crap...

<html>
<head>
<title>hi</title>

<style type="text/css">
body {
background: #123456 url(wheeeee.gif);
margin: 0px;
}

.defaultText {
font: 12px verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;
color: #654321;
}
</style>
</head>

<body>
<span class="defaultText">
hi there<br />
<div style="font-size: 14px;">some more text</div>
hi again
</span>
</body>
</html>
polestar
July 26th, 2001, 08:34
Check out this earlier poll for more opinions. For what it's worth, I think colored scrollbars usually look good. I don't like the track the same color as the page bg though.

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5787&highlight=scrollbars
meow
July 26th, 2001, 22:41
Originally posted by Agum
the scrollbar is part of the browser window, not the page, and should be left as it is.. I think the people who made CSS went too far on design customization :p

Then you will be relieved to know that it wasn't the CSS people. It was the MS people. And I agree - colored scrollbars suck.:p
Darin
July 26th, 2001, 23:50
Depending on the kind of web site you have, colored scrollbars could be a nice touch to it. I notice mostly gaming and small personal pages using them. I have yet to see a large firm or business use them on their site. I would hate to see them on a site like Amazon.com or something of that sort, but places like vBulletin.com (http://www.vbulletin.com/) use them to match their theme, which looks rather nice. :)
Akalon
July 27th, 2001, 07:46
I reckon colored scrollbars are great, they add to the feel of a site... only if they look good and match the design.

Take http://www.newgrounds.com for example...
jon787
July 29th, 2001, 12:55
Go Opera. I can't see "colored" scroll bars. (Gray is a color)
I can stop the window spawn problem with one option in Preferences.!
Websites can't open pages without my control bar!
I can turn off plugins if I don't want to be bothered by multimedia content!
A control bar button toggles between the HTML defined page colors and the Opera defaults for those pesky white on yellow pages.
It has it's own internal "taskbar" so that the windows taskbar isn't flooded with windows.
Web/Email/News/Messenger all in one program. Not 2 or 3 like IE/NC.


Okay I just ran my copy of IE5 and I can't see these colored scrollbars on any of the sites people say have them!