Med Pot Now Legal In Canada! [Archive]

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 00:55

Wow, its great to see the main competitor to Cotton and Synthetic fibers making a comeback, not just in the farming industry in Canada. The government has been giving permission on a case by case basis. But now you can get a licence with permission from your doctor and have as much as 5 grams of Marijuana on you at a time! This is another great victory in the war against the war on drugs! YAY CANADA!

Here is a bit more from the Canadian Broadcasting Corperation:
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/07/30/marijuana010730

Gayowulf

July 31st, 2001, 01:02

I wonder about authourised growers. some epileptics may not be up to growing it, same with chronic pain sufferers and bedridden people. If there are authorized growers i can see a black market forming.

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 01:13

There already is a black market, its called "street dealers" :P. The government is growing, its just that they are to busy smoking it at the moment to give it out. They are growing it in an old underground mine somewhere, cant remember. As far as growing, i think your still only allowed 3 plants per patient. And there are compasion clubs that offer weed below street prices, to people with licences but are always being busted. Ironic no? Well at least we are moving forward, and its a good sign for the future.

Gayowulf

July 31st, 2001, 01:22

I think this is mainly a good thing. You are right about the government smoking it. There are major tests going on.

Satelk

July 31st, 2001, 10:16

We're the best!!
What were you doing on cbc's website anyway?

lucifer

July 31st, 2001, 10:39

slightly off topic but it looks like columbia will be stopping spraying the coca bushes as requested by the US as the accept that this is a waste of time plus dangerous to health/environment

will sense prevail. I hope so.

they are actually going to try to help the farmers grow other crops rather than just destroying their livelyhood :)

Giancarlo

July 31st, 2001, 10:40

This won't change America's attitude about the war on drugs. I support the war for good reasons. And the US is not losing this war now or ever.

Giancarlo

July 31st, 2001, 10:42

Originally posted by lucifer
slightly off topic but it looks like columbia will be stopping spraying the coca bushes as requested by the US as the accept that this is a waste of time plus dangerous to health/environment

will sense prevail. I hope so.

they are actually going to try to help the farmers grow other crops rather than just destroying their livelyhood :)

The Ecuadorian Government started to complain about the toxic chemcials... it was hitting their banana crops. But the civil war will be won by the Colombian Armed Forces, which are mainly professional soliders now. 10,000 New Professional Soliders are drafted into the Colombian Army every year. And I heard the Colombian Army is going to get a deal to buy G-3 Automatic Rifles from Germany, and more equipiment from Brazil... a possible deal for the AMX ground attack fighter might be real in the future.

In Bolivia, Banzar Adminstration (who has cancer and will resign soon on a side note) has helped farmers plant different crops despite being the US's biggest ally in the drug war.

meow

July 31st, 2001, 10:49

Geronimo!!!!!!:eek:

lucifer

July 31st, 2001, 10:49

Originally posted by Giancarlo
This won't change America's attitude about the war on drugs. I support the war for good reasons. And the US is not losing this war now or ever. America grows more isolated by the day.

Giancarlo

July 31st, 2001, 10:53

Originally posted by lucifer
America grows more isolated by the day.

I highly doubt that, you know Bolivia, Peru and Colombia are supporting Colombia. In Europe, countries like Spain and Italy still are backing their traditional stances, which is against drug legalization.

lucifer

July 31st, 2001, 10:57

Originally posted by Giancarlo

I highly doubt that, you know Bolivia, Peru and Colombia are supporting Colombia. In Europe, countries like Spain and Italy still are backing their traditional stances, which is against drug legalization. what the right-wing fachist states of europe. I was also thinking about stuff like kyoto and preventing WWIII which I appreciate you are looking forward to but I thought I might give it a miss

Mandrake

July 31st, 2001, 11:44

Originally posted by Giancarlo
This won't change America's attitude about the war on drugs. I support the war for good reasons. And the US is not losing this war now or ever.

Sorry, but the US lost that war before it even started.

syd

July 31st, 2001, 12:21

I live in Canada and I am PROUD that we have this new law.

I'm sure none of you sit there in a room all day and night shaking and trembling with pain. I hope you never have to experience it!

Now with our new law, TERMINALLY ILL (re: NOT drug addicts) can now legally relieve their pain somewhat. Even if it doesn't work, it's a placebo and I will support any relief to these poor people.

What if it was your mother, father, sister, brother who had a terminally ill and debilitating (sp?) disease? Kudos to my government for thinking of the PEOPLE. The PEOPLE who must suffer day in and day out, the PEOPLE who constantly think of suicide and cry in pain.

Giancarlo

July 31st, 2001, 14:17

Originally posted by lucifer
what the right-wing fachist states of europe. I was also thinking about stuff like kyoto and preventing WWIII which I appreciate you are looking forward to but I thought I might give it a miss

The Kyoto Agreement was a joke, it will destroy the economy and the future for any country. And now any country that opposes your opinion is fascist?

WorldWarGeneral

July 31st, 2001, 14:30

Originally posted by Giancarlo

The Kyoto Agreement was a joke, it will destroy the economy and the future for any country. And now any country that opposes your opinion is fascist?

I don't think he meant to say that any country that has different views than his were right-wing fascist. And even if he did, that's no worse than automatically labeling him a "communist, anti-American , anti-best for the people, anti-capitalist pig" That statement was totally uncalled for and unnecessary.

I support the expansion of the economy, but thought has to be given to the environment too. The strongest economy in the world won't mean anything when there isn't good air to breath and we're living next door to a landfill. Environmentalists take it WAY to far sometimes, but you can't just forget about the fact that pouring CO and CO2 into the air isn't all that great of an idea.

syd

July 31st, 2001, 15:44

Don't you ever get tired of hearing yourself ramble on about politics? I mean, everyone else sure does :mad:

jason

July 31st, 2001, 15:57

calm down giancarlo, just because someone does not agree with everything the goverment does or your views does not make them a communist anit-american pig. i think ppl need to realize there are more important things than money. eventually something will have to be done in decreasing pollution.

as for legalized marijuana for medical use, i'm all for it. it helps ppl with aids be able to eat and sleep without pain and vomiting. works better than the 13 pill cocktail the give em.

niv

July 31st, 2001, 16:05

BTW, I think the Kyoto Treaty is fine as is, but could use a few improvements on the treatment of developing nations and their compliance with the basics of the Kyoto Treaty.

Hoth

July 31st, 2001, 17:07

Originally posted by syd
I live in Canada and I am PROUD that we have this new law.

I'm sure none of you sit there in a room all day and night shaking and trembling with pain. I hope you never have to experience it!

Now with our new law, TERMINALLY ILL (re: NOT drug addicts) can now legally relieve their pain somewhat.

Yes, it seems like common sense that terminally ill people should be able to have an effective way to control the pain. I'm surprised Canada didn't already allow it. California and a few other states have laws allowing medicinal marijuana, and hopefully the rest of the U.S. will follow eventually.

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 18:29

Originally posted by satelk
We're the best!!
What were you doing on cbc's website anyway?

Im Canadian, From Toronto :) I just live and work In Australia at the moment.

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 18:30

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 18:32

Originally posted by Giancarlo
This won't change America's attitude about the war on drugs. I support the war for good reasons. And the US is not losing this war now or ever.

Is that your final answer? Want a lifeline? Phone a friend? Or is that not an option here? Anyways, the USA is also starting to untighten there asses as they are allowing a few people the ability to use Pot for medical use.

lucifer

July 31st, 2001, 18:38

Originally posted by evilhaze

Originally posted by lucifer
slightly off topic but it looks like columbia will be stopping spraying the coca bushes as requested by the US as the accept that this is a waste of time plus dangerous to health/environment

will sense prevail. I hope so.

they are actually going to try to help the farmers grow other crops rather than just destroying their livelyhood
Corrections.. They are still spraying while listening to suggestions to stop.

Giancarlo

July 31st, 2001, 19:21

Originally posted by evilhaze

Is that your final answer? Want a lifeline? Phone a friend? Or is that not an option here? Anyways, the USA is also starting to untighten there asses as they are allowing a few people the ability to use Pot for medical use.

Sorry I got a life so I can't be here all day.
First off, the Supreme court ruled against pot in medical circumstances not too long ago. I am opposed to all uses of it, no exceptions. And don't try to change my ideas. I believe I am right, and I remain committed to that.

I support the expansion of the economy, but thought has to be given to the environment too. The strongest economy in the world won't mean anything when there isn't good air to breath and we're living next door to a landfill. Environmentalists take it WAY to far sometimes, but you can't just forget about the fact that pouring CO and CO2 into the air isn't all that great of an idea.

Look, either it is the environment or the people. Pollution will gradually diminish when cheaper but more profitable, and more advanced technology comes out... this only can happen without the kyoto protocols, because with them advancement will slow down, and newer and cleaner technology will take forever to be released. This is why environmentalists are plain wrong.

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 19:22

Originally posted by lucifer

Corrections.. They are still spraying while listening to suggestions to stop. [/QUOTE]

I should have said that better.. They won't be stoping.

Giancarlo

July 31st, 2001, 19:26

Originally posted by evilhaze

I should have said that better.. They won't be stoping. [/B][/QUOTE]

I heard the chemcials are causing problems to the Banana crops (the main agicultural item) and health in Ecuador. Just as if the country needs another problem to deal with. At least there airforce will pound any FARC or ELN that comes in, being the best equipped in South America. What is needed for the guerrilla war in Colombia is COIN (counter-insurgency) aircraft, probably sixty-seventy aircraft. The war in Colombia must continue and the democratically elected government will defeat the FARC and ELN, since they are cleaning up their act with human rights (by declaring war against right-wing paramilitary groups) and purchasing tons of equipiment from the USA, Brazil and Germany.

syd

July 31st, 2001, 20:52

Gian, you say you don't support it with any exceptions. Of course, no pain relief to the nameless faces of people you obviously don't give a damn about.

Could you sit there and watch your mother scream in pain with breast cancer? Or your father limping across the room, wishing he could KILL himself because of his multimple sclerosis. Could you honestly? No, you wouldn't. You'd be first in line at the doctor's office for a prescription if you had the chance.

I pray to God that you never have to experience that. Because I have and so have millions of others in this world.

Toefur

July 31st, 2001, 20:58

Um... based on the below comment, which is something most people seem to agree upon...

Now with our new law, TERMINALLY ILL (re: NOT drug addicts) can now legally relieve their pain somewhat.

I think you all need to be made aware of the fact that there are other drugs that are not only more effective at pain relief than marijuana, but they also lack the side effects (British Medical Journal, June (or so) 2001).

The other already legal, pure medical drug, is also easier to come accross; so I don't see why anyone would even need to bother with marijuana if all they were seriouis about relieving the pain of their illness.

Gayowulf

July 31st, 2001, 21:09

syd: i agree with everything you have said so far. Its not like you would be forced to use it; Its totally be choice as with any other drug.

Giancarlo, I am not attacking you, so please excuse me if i seem overly terse and belittling: We know what your beliefs are, and your fruitless, futile cramming of them down our throats will not help us to like you any better. It is admirable that you are so loyal and steadfast to these beliefs, but just the same it is best for us to stay on topic here. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the legalisation of medicinal marijuana in Canada, not the kyoto affair in the USA, or to pejorativly vilify Giancarlo.

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 21:25

Originally posted by Toefur
Um... based on the below comment, which is something most people seem to agree upon...

Now with our new law, TERMINALLY ILL (re: NOT drug addicts) can now legally relieve their pain somewhat.

I think you all need to be made aware of the fact that there are other drugs that are not only more effective at pain relief than marijuana, but they also lack the side effects (British Medical Journal, June (or so) 2001).

The other already legal, pure medical drug, is also easier to come accross; so I don't see why anyone would even need to bother with marijuana if all they were seriouis about relieving the pain of their illness.

Can you supply more information please? As far as I know, the UK has not done any tests on Marijauna. They are in discussion about it at this time however. And yes there are more effective drugs that treat pain, also called Narcotics. Marijuana is not a narcotic. The fact of the matter is, if Marijuana was not as usefull as it is in these situations, there wouldnt be such a big fuss about it. Not only by legalization supporters, but by the courts and doctors that support it.

Toefur

July 31st, 2001, 21:42

(British Medical Journal, June (or so) 2001).

Haze

July 31st, 2001, 22:01

Originally posted by Toefur
(British Medical Journal, June (or so) 2001).

Hmm, all I see at BMJ.com is possitive comments about Cannabis? Can you perhaps provide a link?

syd

July 31st, 2001, 22:19

Quote:

"Cannabinoids give about the same level of pain relief as codeine in acute postoperative pain"

From BMJ.com

Haze

August 1st, 2001, 04:38

still lookin?

lucifer

August 1st, 2001, 04:41

Originally posted by evilhaze

as far as I know, the UK has not done any tests on Marijauna. They are in discussion about it at this time however
there have I believe been test in the UK however they are by pharmaceutical companies using extracts from the plant (I think just THC) in oral doses. They have not proved much success. Drug companies want to produce cannabis pills so that they control the markets.

People with MS etc. have found smoking cannabis helps relieve their symptoms. This may not be provable but they believe it and it measurably improves the quality of their lives. They are usually driven to do this because other drugs even opiods do not work for them. They would get these drugs free and face no legal problems. I am sure they would go for the free 'safe' option if it worked.

Additionally if the enjoy getting a bit stoned then why not. If things are banned just because you enjoy them it doesn't say much for life.

As an aside
There is a guy in London, who runs Tony's Hemp Corner in King's Cross who sells cannabis for medical treatments to people who have a supporting letter from a medical specialist. The police are aware of this but have failed to stop him doing so.

Haze

August 1st, 2001, 19:16

The only study I have heard of being done in the UK is driving while under the influence of Pot. They actually found ( while the whole idea was to prove the opposite) that pot smokers were much safer drivers that sober ones. I bet that pissed them off.

Giancarlo

August 1st, 2001, 19:23

Haze

August 1st, 2001, 19:26

Originally posted by Giancarlo

That is a bunch of bull---- (excuse my language), pot does nothing but alters your mind.

Someones watched refer madness one to many times :P

"Beware of the friendly stranger!"

Gayowulf

August 1st, 2001, 21:42

Marijuana does alter your mind. that is how it quells pain. Pain is processed in the brain.

syd

August 1st, 2001, 23:44

Originally posted by Giancarlo

That is a bunch of bull---- (excuse my language), pot does nothing but alters your mind.

Time for Biology 101, children. Our first topic today is sensory receptors and their effects on the nervous system of the body. Giancarlo, hand in your homework! Oh wait, you obviously haven't done your homework.

bigperm

August 2nd, 2001, 06:18

It may alter your mind... but when time slows down... colors are brighter and you are paranoid as ----... you are a more careful driver.

meow

August 2nd, 2001, 06:33

Eeerrrr...I should think that sensory receptors are a part of the nervous system.

syd

August 2nd, 2001, 13:26

Originally posted by meow
Eeerrrr...I should think that sensory receptors are a part of the nervous system.

Yes they are, that is what I mean, however check out a little diagram and it should make more sense :) but they are controlled by the brain. If you don't have pain nerves (for lack of a scientific word) you will not feel pain.

Ever see the little girl on Maury Povich? She has none at all. She can (and has) cut her entire arm off just for fun and never felt a thing. Quite sad actually because she's at the age where she just doesn't understand.