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hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 11:43

You hacked into one of my servers. Deleted 700 websites, you did it internally on the Network.

Care to explain why?

I'm looking for you. This is far from over.

hs225-111-66.ftl-nj.webhostplus.com

Admins, please DO NOT ban doomachine2000 / wirehost.ws until I receive his home address and information similar. This needs to be sorted out.

Anger, is not even a suitable word

A1Owner

February 4th, 2006, 12:34

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 13:00

Well not only them even superb.net has tried to login to my box several times on feb 3 rd , so i dunno what has come of this world , why have webhosts become hackers ?

And hotweelz why dont you contact your datacenter if it was internal attack ? for their contact info to take them into court.
Oh we are suing:
[12:55] HottWeelz: excuse me
[12:55] doomachine2000: yep?
[12:55] doomachine2000: u added me?
[12:55] HottWeelz: wirehost.ws (http://wirehost.ws/)?
[12:55] doomachine2000: nope
[12:56] HottWeelz: no?
[12:56] doomachine2000: nope
[12:56] HottWeelz: http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80019&highlight=wirehost (http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80019&highlight=wirehost)
[12:56] doomachine2000: No thats not me
[12:56] doomachine2000: thats my colleague
[12:56] HottWeelz: oh ok you're colleage
[12:56] doomachine2000: I dont own that company any more
[12:56] HottWeelz: I need his home address
[12:56] doomachine2000: i don't have it
[12:56] doomachine2000: sorry
[12:56] HottWeelz: YOU are in alot of trouble
[12:57] *** "doomachine2000" signed off at Sat Feb 04 12:57:04 2006.
[12:58] *** "doomachine2000" signed on at Sat Feb 04 12:58:11 2006.
[12:58] doomachine2000: hey
[12:58] doomachine2000: sorry disconnected
[12:58] HottWeelz: gonig somewhere?
[12:58] doomachine2000: nope
[12:58] HottWeelz: what's your colleagues email address?
[12:58] doomachine2000: is this regarding your server?
[12:58] HottWeelz: yes
[12:58] doomachine2000: ah ok
[12:58] HottWeelz: how'd you guess?
[12:59] doomachine2000: I know now
[12:59] doomachine2000: someone gave me this server
[12:59] doomachine2000: little did I know it was yours
[12:59] HottWeelz: you know how , how?
[12:59] HottWeelz: WHO WAS IT
[12:59] doomachine2000: this guy
[12:59] doomachine2000: on msn
[12:59] HottWeelz: who?
[13:00] doomachine2000: wait
[13:00] doomachine2000: did I cause you any hassle?
[13:00] HottWeelz: i lost 700 websites
[13:00] doomachine2000: sorry , I thought it was mine now
[13:00] doomachine2000: ....
[13:00] HottWeelz: I have a few hundred peoplke out looking for you, I suggest you HELP ME help YOU
[13:02] HottWeelz: understand?
[13:02] doomachine2000: yes
[13:02] doomachine2000: I do
[13:02] HottWeelz: so who did this?
[13:02] doomachine2000: do you want me help pay for the damages?
[13:02] HottWeelz: cuz right now it's you
[13:02] HottWeelz: i want informatoin at this time
[13:02] doomachine2000: yeah, I am looking for it
[13:02] HottWeelz: ok
[13:04] doomachine2000: How long you on for?
[13:04] HottWeelz: oh i'll wait a LONG TIME
[13:04] doomachine2000: this is the truth
[13:04] doomachine2000: hones
[13:04] doomachine2000: *honest
[13:05] HottWeelz: ok
[13:05] doomachine2000: this guy warned me that he hacked these
[13:05] HottWeelz: ok
[13:05] doomachine2000: and I didnt know that it would affect you
[13:05] doomachine2000: sorry , can I help you pay of the debts?
[13:05] HottWeelz: ok
[13:05] doomachine2000: I am looking for the email
[13:05] HottWeelz: payment is one thing, who is it?
[13:06] doomachine2000: admin@phileportal.com
[13:06] HottWeelz: do yo know more about who they are, ?
[13:06] doomachine2000: all I know is he's gavin
[13:06] doomachine2000: he's a good friend
[13:06] doomachine2000: ...
[13:07] HottWeelz: he's a good friend that caused thousands in damage
[13:07] doomachine2000: now, do you want me to help pay for the costs?
[13:07] HottWeelz: paypal?
[13:07] doomachine2000: Well...at the moment
[13:07] doomachine2000: I only have $15 in paypal
[13:07] HottWeelz: tell me more about your friend
[13:07] doomachine2000: I dont know any more
[13:07] doomachine2000: sorry...
[13:07] HottWeelz: IM names?
[13:08] doomachine2000: i don't know them
[13:08] doomachine2000: but he had one
[13:08] HottWeelz: how did he hack in?
[13:08] doomachine2000: I am not too sure
[13:08] doomachine2000: I don't think he hacked
[13:08] doomachine2000: he told me this
[13:08] doomachine2000: you know the ticket support system on web host plus?
[13:09] HottWeelz: right
[13:09] doomachine2000: they gave him admin accidently
[13:09] HottWeelz: does he work there?
[13:09] doomachine2000: nope
[13:09] doomachine2000: he has a server there
[13:09] doomachine2000: and they gave him admin accidently
[13:09] doomachine2000: he saw the logins there...
[13:10] doomachine2000: by the way, I was the one that deleted all your hosted members
[13:10] doomachine2000: but I don't think i did 700
[13:10] HottWeelz: great
[13:10] doomachine2000: which ip do you have?
[13:10] HottWeelz: remember, when an accout is on the list, the acount can have more than one website
[13:10] doomachine2000: yeah, but which ip do you have?
[13:11] HottWeelz: northstar.chargertek.com (http://northstar.chargertek.com/)
[13:11] doomachine2000: ah, that was me
[13:11] doomachine2000: I am really very sorry
[13:11] doomachine2000: how can I help you?
[13:11] HottWeelz: I have no idea, you wlil definately have to defend me when I deal with webhostplus
[13:11] doomachine2000: yeah I will
[13:12] HottWeelz: and you get a hold of your "friend"
[13:12] doomachine2000: I can't , well he's not my friend
[13:12] doomachine2000: ...
[13:12] doomachine2000: he's just there
[13:12] HottWeelz: is he a good firnd or not?
[13:12] doomachine2000: no
[13:12] HottWeelz: how did u met him
[13:12] doomachine2000: he needed a reseller
[13:12] doomachine2000: a few months back
[13:12] HottWeelz: from?
[13:12] doomachine2000: me
[13:13] HottWeelz: FWS?
[13:13] doomachine2000: nope...just through friends
[13:13] HottWeelz: You realize I have a mortgage and a five year old?
[13:13] doomachine2000: No i didn't
[13:13] HottWeelz: two car paymentes
[13:14] doomachine2000: I am very sorry....If I can help at any time
[13:14] doomachine2000: ask me
[13:14] doomachine2000: How about this, i can host some of your customers
[13:14] doomachine2000: if you want
[13:14] HottWeelz: get a hold of your friend
[13:14] doomachine2000: I can't...he's not on
[13:14] HottWeelz: my "customers" are gone
[13:14] doomachine2000: Ok
[13:14] doomachine2000: ...
[13:14] doomachine2000: well, I have done this many times
[13:15] doomachine2000: someone hacking my server
[13:15] doomachine2000: and then taking off with 1000 accounts
[13:15] doomachine2000: I hosted real sites
[13:15] doomachine2000: and 1000 accounts is alot
[13:15] doomachine2000: don't you keep a backup?
[13:15] HottWeelz: your friend also knew to go to another server which had all my backups
[13:15] doomachine2000: ah ok
[13:16] doomachine2000: he's not my friend
[13:16] doomachine2000: well...will I be reported?
[13:16] HottWeelz: understand my anger
[13:16] doomachine2000: I am
[13:16] doomachine2000: I went through exactly what you went through
[13:16] doomachine2000: even worser actually
[13:16] HottWeelz: no but you're going t o be around whenever I need you
[13:16] doomachine2000: I am...if you ever need me
[13:16] doomachine2000: I am here
[13:16] doomachine2000: I am here every day at this time
[13:16] HottWeelz: ok I'm going to call webhostplus
[13:17] doomachine2000: Are you reporting me?
[13:17] HottWeelz: No
[13:17] doomachine2000: ok thank you
[13:17] doomachine2000: please understand the situation I am in
[13:17] HottWeelz: but if they gave tht guy admin access, they need to pay me
[13:18] doomachine2000: he was also frustated with Web Host Plus
[13:18] doomachine2000: And I am as well
[13:18] doomachine2000: thats why I quit there servers
[13:18] doomachine2000: Gavin,was really frustaed
[13:18] doomachine2000: *frustrated
[13:18] doomachine2000: he had 2000 accounts on this server
[13:18] doomachine2000: and someone formatted the hardrive
[13:19] doomachine2000: he lost all of his accounts
[13:19] doomachine2000: including my reseller
[13:19] doomachine2000: if you understand where I am coming from..
[13:19] doomachine2000: I got to go
[13:20] doomachine2000: bye
[13:20] *** "doomachine2000" signed off at Sat Feb 04 13:20:48 2006.

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sep

February 4th, 2006, 14:01

Hey I know gavin. and is 14, no wonder he's been missing lately. hottweelz, I'll PM you his contact number(the one in whois is fake) as soon as I find it.

themoose

February 4th, 2006, 14:30

I hope you sue him. Not only was that a terrible thing to do, but my site was on your server.

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 14:31

Wow, HottWeelz man. It's times like these where I feel the English language doesn't have decriptive enough words. "Holy ----" just doesn't cut it.

That's horrible.

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 14:32

Hey I know gavin. and is 14, no wonder he's been missing lately. hottweelz, I'll PM you his contact number(the one in whois is fake) as soon as I find it.

Send me his real number if you know it

2006 has not been good to me

themoose

February 4th, 2006, 15:00

If i can help, i will. I once managed to get a guy's number, address, full name, paypal, from a MSN convo without him expecting a thing. We were considering filling a lawsuit against him.

robert allen

February 4th, 2006, 15:04

Holy crap. I am looking in disbelief. why would anyone with a heart and common sense do this??!

robert allen

February 4th, 2006, 15:05

Oh year, i remember, some guy on MSN who stole my websites content. I litterly sent you undercover and you got all the information i needed. I highly recommend T.M. He is by far the best guy i know.

Craig

February 4th, 2006, 15:07

WOW, man, even I am angry about this, makes you sick, if you need any help HW just contact me :-), I just spent $200 on a new server securtity software today, with all this going round looks like I need it.

themoose

February 4th, 2006, 15:08

haha, i'm not selling a service. I'm just very angry, but i feel lucky, at least i'm not hotweelz.

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 15:39

ok heres the story

I found out a way to bypass the webhostplus's troublw ticket system and let me view others tickets i found this rather interesting and was looking to see if other people had the same problems with me and yes everyone hates them

I noticed the logins i tried to login to a server it worked so then i closed it all off and left it at that i am not a malicious person

But when i told doom about the trouble tickets he tried it and took a server and own'd it

Doom is a prick and he is lying to you i did not erase your sites nor sell your server to someone else

Any of u can add me to msn @ admin@phileportal.com dont email me there yet still getting my new server sorted and yes i did pay for this one if your thinking dodgy thought

Thanks and hope your on my side

sep

February 4th, 2006, 15:47

well, no need to look for the number anymore

Craig

February 4th, 2006, 16:19

Wojtek

February 4th, 2006, 16:28

Sounds as a new case for InternetPolice

kids nowadays should go play with legos instead of trying to be l33t by deleting accounts. dumb -----es. good luck hw

Ako

February 4th, 2006, 16:40

Why would you want to bypass the system in the first place? that makes you a malicious person & a unauthorized user to that system & as you have admitted this (in a public forum) I hope HW takes you down 100% :o , call the attorneys. :shame:

Well, in my opinion this guy didnt do anything illegal. He didn't make any damage to HW's server, he just found some bug, but didnt use it. And as far as i know (at least in europe), if no information is stolen from the server (database, cc info, passwords) or any damage made to the business, its not considered illegal even if he bypassed the security.

While what you have done, gavin_2oo5, is very bad. You should have reported to the owner of webhostplus about the bug at that time, but you did the opposite and even more, told it to your 'friend'. So I think you are 30% responsible for all this, even if the law cannot do anything against you.

Sorry for typing so much, but I really hope that this problem will not bring big problems to you. Good luck.

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 16:45

Thanks and hope your on my side

As a customer of HottWeelz and a semi-directly affected customer, not a chance.

Bypassing a system, even out of curiousity, is illegal. What should have happened is when you discovered the flaw is report it to who ever is responsible for maintaining the systems integrity. Instead you admit to telling someone else, who had no business knowing, and obviously committed a malicious act. You gavin_2oo5, share guilt and responsibility for the end result.

In my nowhere-near-humble opinion, fry their arses off! pirate2

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 16:48

i found out i could get in by a complete mistake

sep

February 4th, 2006, 16:51

Ok, Just wondering, this is about hottweelz's server right? as far as we know gavin hasn't done anything to it, so why is everything being blamed on him?

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 16:55

i found out i could get in by a complete mistake

That's not the point! The point is that you didn't report it and you told someone else who had no reason to be notified. While reporting it to the people responsible is not required by law, it is the right thing to do.

Regardless of your intentions, by informing a third party, you facilitated a crime. Also, regardless of where you or the actual perpetrator are located, the server is in the United States. That involves the law enforcement authorities here. Due to the nature of the internet, unless it can be proven that the server and perpetrator are located in the same state, it is an interstate crime and thus involves the FBI.

Get a lawyer dude. A good one.

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 16:57

exactly i logged in and thought woah this is bad and i would have reported it but webhostplus is so dodgily seup i try to do something good oh email billing send them this this n ---- and then u gotta email support oppen a ticket and email here then verify it by emailing it here

What else oo it has to be a full moon after 1am it has to be when we want it not u

ETC.

I know how you feel webhostplus ----ing indian tech's have completely wiped my users data cos of there upgraded more than 5 times

Oh and there supposed to be the big bad professionalls who know what there doing

They are replacing my motherboard now because one of the tech's jammed a mem stick in and damaged all the ram slots

What kind of business are they Running

Admin / Mods dont ban me this is freedom of speech

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 17:05

Please tell me if i can help in any way! I hate these kinds of "people".
*edit* And please tell me if i can help rebuild your "empire".

Craig

February 4th, 2006, 17:12

Well, in my opinion this guy didnt do anything illegal. He didn't make any damage to HW's server, he just found some bug, but didnt use it. And as far as i know (at least in europe), if no information is stolen from the server (database, cc info, passwords) or any damage made to the business, its not considered illegal even if he bypassed the security.

While what you have done, gavin_2oo5, is very bad. You should have reported to the owner of webhostplus about the bug at that time, but you did the opposite and even more, told it to your 'friend'. So I think you are 30% responsible for all this, even if the law cannot do anything against you.

Sorry for typing so much, but I really hope that this problem will not bring big problems to you. Good luck.

He was NOT unauthorized to login, nor should he tell anybody els but the admin of the site.

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 17:14

I'm awestruck right now.

YOU, DOOMACHINE2000, and god knows who else, ADMIT, for whatever reason, that you were in my server.

DOOMACHINE2000 admits to deleting the sites because YOU SOLD IT TO HIM.

Explain this to my 700 customers that are GONE.

Explain how after destroying this server, you went and found my BACKUP server and destroyed the customers BACKUP sites.

700 People have NOTHING.

All because you perused a Trouble Ticket that was requesting a Fantastico License? Or something else.

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 17:16

i did not sell it to him read what i posted properly

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 17:18

Gavin, I will NOT call the FBI, if you release the phone number to a parent or guardian. Give them our hotline 1-888-829-2047

Duport

February 4th, 2006, 17:22

We all know about Web Host Plus history but gavin and doom this is not a reasonable answer under no circumstances for your actions

Well, in my opinion this guy didnt do anything illegal. He didn't make any damage to HW's server, he just found some bug, but didnt use it. And as far as i know (at least in europe), if no information is stolen from the server (database, cc info, passwords) or any damage made to the business, its not considered illegal even if he bypassed the security.

While what you have done, gavin_2oo5, is very bad. You should have reported to the owner of webhostplus about the bug at that time, but you did the opposite and even more, told it to your 'friend'. So I think you are 30% responsible for all this, even if the law cannot do anything against you.

Sorry for typing so much, but I really hope that this problem will not bring big problems to you. Good luck.

You are completely wrong anything which can be taken as damaging to a business can be dealt with under law.

Craig

February 4th, 2006, 17:25

Gavin, I will NOT call the FBI, if you release the phone number to a parent or guardian. Give them our hotline 1-888-829-2047

Just call the FBI HW (IMO), then they will find where he lives, contact info etc.

Ako

February 4th, 2006, 17:26

Well, i might be wrong, as that was my opinion only, and i am not a lawyer myself nor I know the US laws.

Anyway, if there is anyway to help you, please tell me.

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 17:26

Honestly, webhostplus has never been an issue for me. They are 10 minutes away, I have the ability to walk in and personally work on my own server.

My other serves in Iowa, Washington DC, Georgia, dont give me that ability. Hence I was enjoying WebHostpLus

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 17:31

You are completely wrong anything which can be taken as damaging to a business can be dealt with under law.

If there may be any doubt, just ask Microsoft. They know all too well that even some seemingly innoculous information can cost a boat load of money due to lost man-hours and bad PR.

People make mistakes, but this is a little too blatant to be called that.:shame:

Honestly, webhostplus has never been an issue for me. They are 10 minutes away, I have the ability to walk in and personally work on my own server.

That would make them a very lucrative option for anybody.

impactgc

February 4th, 2006, 17:39

James...

Friend, pal, buddy.... Get a lawyer and SUE!!!!!!! Of course call the FBI first :)

Good luck and of course if you need my help, let me know!

Thanks,
Adam

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 17:45

Well I say give him a chance to do something before getting a hold on the police.

sep

February 4th, 2006, 17:52

I think they are on the phone, right now......

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 17:53

yeah we just sorta half worked something out

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 17:53

oh.. damn this is exciting.. I hope it turns out well.(for hottweelz that is)

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 17:55

I can see a possible dilema that is facing HottWeelz (aka James) right now.

If they are only teenagers, then a criminal record would seriously screw with their lives in the future. However, the point of the severity of the issue *must* be made known to them and to their parents (if they are under 18). What would you do?

A hack job I believe is a felony. It makes jobs somewhat harder to get especially when the crime deals with what you may be doing in a particular job.

I wouldn't want to be the one to have to make the decision.

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 17:58

Yea.. I'm 13 and I'd hate to **** up my life because I did something stupid now.
They also had a talk at school saying we could get into serious trouble if we hacked anyone

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:02

Offences committed as minors can be wiped from your record if you undergo counseling or something similar.

I wouldn't want a person like him/them working for me, or being a coworker of mine. James has contacted parents before, and contacted the FBI before. I say go for it.

If it screws their lives, tough. It screwed a man's business. Do you know how hard someone has to work to build up 700 clients? If you combine all the hours of configuring, marketing, working with clients, etc, it can takes months of your life to do. However, because of one 14 year old who wanted to act "tough", all this man's and 700 other people's hard work has been erased. Backups have been erased. With no compensation available except for money.

It's things like this that I feel money is not enough.

sep

February 4th, 2006, 18:04

It's things like this that I feel money is not enough.

Disagree. Money can do anything these days.

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 18:04

True Tree. But what have you worked out?

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 18:05

Yea.. I'm 13 and I'd hate to **** up my life because I did something stupid now.
They also had a talk at school saying we could get into serious trouble if we hacked anyone

To be accurate, a felony record will prevent you from getting a job with the government or any of its contractors. While it is not heavily enforced outside of security related positions, it means that you legally can't even work for McDonalds as they have contracts with Uncle Sam. In short, a felony means some serious trouble and a lack of revenue down the road. Most applications for work ask about felonies. And of course lying is grounds for dismissal.

Keep it clean people. Computers abound and the records are all computerized. Big Brother *is* watching. :nervous:

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:13

True Tree. But what have you worked out?

Not sure what you mean by that. I took it one way, and it might not be what you mean. Explain more so I don't have to bite your head off :p

In short, a felony means some serious trouble and a lack of revenue down the road. Most applications for work ask about felonies. And of course lying is grounds for dismissal.

Well, tough. Sorry. If it was a 45 year old fat, balding guy who did this, nobody would care. They would say "pirate2 Arg! Send him to jail". And that'd be the end of it. I personally don't see any reason that this kid won't do it again. He needs to be taught a lesson. That's what the government is for. Kind of like the Mafia.

Oh, and Kroboto, selling signiture space is illegal.

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 18:19

You are right, being a kid does make for some wiggle room on judgment. I, personally, would call the feds on the one who actually did the deletion. Or at least make them financially sorry. $$$$

Oh, and Kroboto, selling signiture space is illegal.

I was not aware of that. Fixed. Now I need a new sig. Got one for sale? <---------- JOKE!!!!!!

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 18:21

Sorry i can see that didnt make sense.
I meant:
to hottweelz: What have you and gavin worked out?:P

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 18:26

Gavin showed us, over the phone, how he did it.

Definately an ASP bug in their trouble ticket software.

But there are many many questions to be answered>

Why me?
How two different people got my ticket?
Why actually take advantage of the root password and DELETE 700 Accounts?

What do I do next, as they are all minors.

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 18:27

Go over there, and beat the crap out of them or..
let me do it:D

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:29

Parents.

Explain to their parents the severity of what they've done. And that legal action may follow. They'll most likely say they're really sorry, don't take them to court, they'll settle for $5000 or so. If that covers your costs, take it I guess.

If you have a bigger space for kids in your heart than I do, ^^ is your best option.

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 18:38

Go over there, and beat the crap out of them or..let me do it

I realise it was a joke but. . .

being a parent myself, I know how defensive a parent can be regarding their kids. Believe me.

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:43

That's true, child abuse is nothing to joke about.

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 18:44

Maybe I could call his Mum ;)

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 18:45

The parents of everyone involved are going to have to be made aware... as honest as everyone is being about this... there is still someone not being 100% truthful.

Allbeit true, I'm amazed that once I found out who did it, they admitted.

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 18:46

Maybe I could call his Mum ;)

Yes, you're in Australia! I forgot!

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:48

Heck, Jan could go over to his house if it's close ;)

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 18:50

Caller ID on the Toll Free number didn't pick up the originating phone number because it was international. :(

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:52

Just ask him. Possibly he'll tell you? If not, sEp seems to know his number.

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 18:55

sEp lost it.

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 18:59

Well, he seems like a cooperative fellow, just ask him.

Hey, what ever came of that FBI case you turned in before? With all the DDoSing and stuff?

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 19:05

Heck, Jan could go over to his house if it's close ;)
Nah, he's about 3,000 kms away :p

Registrant City:cannington
Registrant State/Province:WE
Registrant Postal Code:6107
Registrant Country:AU
Registrant Phone:+61.404344665
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: gavin_2oo5@hotmail.com

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 19:06

Is 404-344-665 a valid AUS phone number?

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:07

I realise it was a joke but. . .

being a parent myself, I know how defensive a parent can be regarding their kids. Believe me.
Sorry, His older then me so I wasn't thinking about that:(

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 19:13

Is 404-344-665 a valid AUS phone number?

He told me that the phone number is fake.

The old case, pretty much got resolved as the webhost cancelled the guys account.

Spoke with the kid and just sent a threatening letter to the parents.

DDoS Subsided since his site no longer has the $ offer and etc... APF Firewall did it's job as well.

I should look up the FBI Case number and at least see if there was any contact made.

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 19:14

That'd be great. Because I got hit with that case as well.

Did you ask gavin to give you his real one? Or do you know his last name?

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 19:17

Well hopefully Gavin comes back here and offers it up.
He runs l33thost.com (which is down, but I think because of what he said had happened with his server motherboard in the earlier post).

Perhaps he publishes a phone number on it.

I'll check google-cache now..

Funny. it used to be silvercheater.com ... now it's l33thost.com
It'll obviously have to change names again

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:24

It'll obviously have to change names again
how come?

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 19:25

I would tend to think he could never advertise l33thost.com here ever again.

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:27

Oh yea true.. So are you sure its this Gavin guy and not the other one?

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 19:27

silvercheater.com is WHOIS protected. Something the FBI can bypass. If the registrar is in the USA, that is.

Maybe just try calling +61.0404344665? Someone in AUS will pick up ;)

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 19:28

Is 404-344-665 a valid AUS phone number?
Doesn't appear to be. If it was a mobile it needs one more digit, if it is regular it is lacking the area code and has one digit too many.

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:29

silvercheater.com is WHOIS protected. Something the FBI can bypass. If the registrar is in the USA, that is.

Maybe just try calling +61.0404344665? Someone in AUS will pick up ;)
Maybe The Crocodille Hunter will:eek2:
*edit my 300th post! I wish it wosnt this stupid:(

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 19:31

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 19:34

I thought it was l33thost.info?

He also has mega-host.org

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 19:36

James, you may be in luck. l33thost.com is registered with eNom. eNom only takes credit cards as payment, and you have to have a valid phone number to have a CC.

You could contact eNom yourself, or get the FBI I guess.

Only CC? Tree gets valuable reputation points from me....

I still have no idea how to face 700 users. :o

I still have no idea how to handle this situation with a bunch of minors...

I come off as tough, often, but these parents who are innocent, by default are responsibly for me virtually being ruined.

My Iowa server just went down... OfficialFreedom.com customers are reigning in now. ... you can only laugh.

Shoot, Jan is right... gotta re-check

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:38

are you sure? whois-it.com says:

Registration Service Provided By: NameCheap.com

Duport

February 4th, 2006, 19:40

It seems this person has some kind of illegal natured website. At WHT he has the name DDLFORUM previous username l33thost. I believe I have read he has a server at web host plus.

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=474441

Tree

Website was registered through namecheap

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 19:43

Looks like we are talking about different people here. But the Australian came here to the thread. DDLForum isn't Australian.

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:45

gavin_2oo5 go here (http://micgal4.farvista.net/updown.php)

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 19:50

gavin_2oo5 go here

Why?

He should just contact HottWeelz directly and avoid the possible trouble of legal action. Remember, legal action can almost always be avoided by dealing in good faith directly. Yeah, kinda weird wording considering the situation but still valid point.

OT Note: Six pages in under 10 hours. Pretty hot topic!

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 19:50

Let's not confuse anyone innocent. it was my mistake. He DEFINATELY owns phileportal.com which http://www.whois.sc/phileportal.com shows coming back to l33thost.com

Nug

February 4th, 2006, 19:55

Let's not confuse anyone innocent. it was my mistake. He DEFINATELY owns phileportal.com which http://www.whois.sc/phileportal.com shows coming back to l33thost.com
Here's prof http://phileportal.com/index.php?name=Your_Account&profile=gavin_2oo6 :rolleyes2

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 20:00

I thought SilverCheater.com was registered through eNom when I saw
"ICANN Registrar: ENOM, INC."

Well, I goofed. But still. NameCheap requires a CC also.

3. Fees.

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Source: http://www.namecheap.com/legal/reg-agreement.asp

Wojtek

February 4th, 2006, 20:13

I still have no idea how to face 700 users. :o

I still have no idea how to handle this situation with a bunch of minors...

when you find his number give it to those 700 users.
his house will be flooded with at least 700 complaint calls :)

call parents, explain the situation, explain you could take legal mesures against their son and ask if this will be needed or they are ready to work with you. as simple as this.

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 20:19

I can see how that phone call goes.

"Now are you going to work with me, or am I going to have to get the friends at the FBI to work things out?"

:p

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:22

ok settle down guys

ok i first started hosting with a reseller from someone with megahost.info i got some people and thought org was more professionall so i got that

Then mega-host.org was registeres but i managed toi get it once they had expired as it was registered i had to move domains so then i got l33thost.com

ddlForum was a friend adveritsing for em

And in my namecheap i do not use my real name address etc.

I really do live in australia Western austria to be exact

I did directly contact hotweelz and he seemed like a nice guy

Any more questions reply here

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 20:23

A simple letter from a lawyer will prolly get their attention more than a phone call. (the parents that is)

Unless the parents are tech savy to some extent they may not know what HT would be referring to. A letter with some fancy letterhead with the words ATTORNEY AT LAW would however be considered a serious issue.

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:26

also phileportal is not hosted at webhostplus it is hosted in another country where copyright laws do not apply or are not applied strongly

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 20:26

Gavin, we do need to speak to your parents about what has happened, also need to find Doomachine2000's as well.

There's still thousands of dollars of damages, nevermind blood sweat and tears of 700 sites.

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:26

what is ht by the way ?

Tree

February 4th, 2006, 20:36

Think he meant HW, which would be HottWeelz.

You do know that providing false information on WHOIS records is technically illegal, right? It is also grounds for termination of your domain.

Did you pay NameCheap with a CC? If so, you had to use real information. Even with PayPal, if you don't use a CC, you use a bank account, which is always real information.

Phone number and stuff is accessible. If you know where to look. FBI sure know where.

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 20:40

HT > HW = HottWeelz

A1Owner

February 4th, 2006, 20:44

Darn all i get out of this big dicussion is not to choose webhostplus who have buggy ticket system, god knows how many people like hotweelz exists out there right now.(by this i mean people facing same problem like hot.)

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:46

i used paypal i used the money i made from hosting

oh and thanks alot guys my paypals just been locked and i lost 1000$ us

Well i guess i deserve it for telling doom the system was easily exploitable

Well still im telling the truth i did not mean any harm the only reason i did it was to gain knowledge if ever i hacked in somewhere i would do it just to see if i could i would not or never think of deleting all your accounts cos as doom said when i got my hard disk upgraded they formatted me and i lost 2 thousand users and it has happen's more than once

Hope u all understand

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:47

webhostplus have really dodgy tech's also and when u get them to fix something minor they usually end up making it worse

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 20:50

What kind of concerns me is who else is affected that may not even know about it? HW didn't know until it was too late. You generally don't expect something like this to come from within a datacenter itself. And when you lose root and don't have the machine sitting right in front of you, you're basically screwed. Can't even yank the cable.

Wojtek

February 4th, 2006, 20:50

sep

February 4th, 2006, 20:51

Namecheap doesn't accept echeques using paypal.

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:57

gavin, the issue right now is noth what bad luck happened to you or how bad webhostplus is or whatever.

it is about the situation you caused to hottwheelz
so get back to the point.
arrange for a conversation between your parents and hottwheelz

Im just bringing it up as a example to say i know what he is going thru

Also i would never do anything to cause harm to others im actually a very nice person and cant even hold grudges on people

What kind of concerns me is who else is affected that may not even know about it? HW didn't know until it was too late. You generally don't expect something like this to come from within a datacenter itself. And when you lose root and don't have the machine sitting right in front of you, you're basically screwed. Can't even yank the cable.

It was'nt me that erased all his data

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 20:57

@ sEp thats y u go add funds in paypal and once they have cleared add the funds to namecheap

Wojtek

February 4th, 2006, 21:00

It was'nt me that erased all his data
you gave a gun to some kid whole killed
you'r both at fault here

kroboto

February 4th, 2006, 21:03

It was'nt me that erased all his data

I wasn't referring explictly to you. It was a flaw in their system. If you found it, someone else may already have found it and once they get in how do you keep them out. If they (some other black hat) are good enough, you'd never know. At least until . . .

The next victim may lose more than a few hundered customers and a couple three grand. It could be millions. It could be they use the ill-gotten access to do much much worse elsewhere.

HottWeelz, is it safe to assume that the flaw has been reported to the system maintainers?

Brandon

February 4th, 2006, 21:27

Im just bringing it up as a example to say i know what he is going thru

Also i would never do anything to cause harm to others im actually a very nice person and cant even hold grudges on people

It was'nt me that erased all his data
I don't think you understand the severity of the situation.
Two words. LEGAL ACTION. HottWeelz should talk with your parents. This is a very serious situation.

sep

February 4th, 2006, 21:28

@ sEp thats y u go add funds in paypal and once they have cleared add the funds to namecheap

Now you telling me? :/

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 21:54

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 21:58

Doomachine is the one who admitted this originally, in the transcript on page 1.
Doomachine changed the configs in WHM to his setup, (IE His email address, etc, thats how I found him)
I now have one customer bringing small claims suit against me at $1k

Let the legal fees begin.

Gayble, your PM box is full, answer is YES

Wojtek

February 4th, 2006, 22:02

custumers sue hw
hw sues datacenter for unsecure coding/admin mistake
and finally datacenter sues gavin and his friend for hacking

hehe. good luck hw

WL-Michael

February 4th, 2006, 22:10

Wow, small claims suit? Don't you have a no warranties implied mingled into your terms of service to defend you against that?

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 22:14

Wow, small claims suit? Don't you have a no warranties implied mingled into your terms of service to defend you against that?
I'm going to have to look. Not all TOS's can be upheld. Really more of a guideline. TOS is only legal in the country it's valid in... if it violates laws of other countries, it's null.

Thats why we have Limited Liability Insurance.

WL-Michael

February 4th, 2006, 22:16

Yeh, gotta have that LLC Ins :)

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 22:18

FORCE MAJEURE CIRCUMSTANCES
ChargerTek will be in an off-liability position as regards the failure or delay in doing its professional duties in consequence of circumstances beyond its control. Such circumstances could be provoked by acts of any governmental body, war, rebellion, sabotage, embargo, fire, flood, strike or other labor disturbance, interruption of or delay in transportation, unavailability of, interruption or delay in telecommunications or third party services (including DNS propagation), failure of third party software or hardware or inability to obtain raw materials, supplies or power used in or equipment needed for provisioning of the Services.

This agreement constitutes the whole act of convention between the parties with regard to the agreement signed between them. It is not subject to any amendments, modifications, or any other alterations with the exception of changes introduced through a written instrument that is signed by the party to be charged.
- This Agreement shall be interpreted in consistence with the laws of the State of New York.
- This Agreement shall be in force and effect entirely to the benefit of the parties hereto and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, successors and assigns. - The captions and headings contained in this TOS are aimed at facilitating the text comprehension. They are not a part of the very Agreement, and shall not limit or construe the provision they refer to. - This Agreement may be executed in counterparts, which will be considered as original.

WL-Michael

February 4th, 2006, 22:23

Lookin' good. Wishing you the best buddy :)

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 22:26

Thanks

007Matrix

February 4th, 2006, 22:34

I hope everything worked out hottweelz

eadwired

February 4th, 2006, 22:55

followed the drama from the start.. im one of HW's client...
hope all will be fine buddy..

good luck HW!

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 23:16

yea good luck getting back and i dont mean any harm to your business

Also its not really hacking as i just changed a few numbers im sure others have noticed this before and whp some be informed and this issue should be fixed in there system

gavin_2oo5

February 4th, 2006, 23:16

+ shareforum has been sold to someone else

Jan

February 4th, 2006, 23:35

At the time of doomachine's post it was owned by Neil Ramos.

hottweelz

February 4th, 2006, 23:47

+ shareforum has been sold to someone else

OK I'm apparently going to have to get your home phone number the hard way.

It's like cyberkit.biz all over again.

dsfreak

February 4th, 2006, 23:50

HW, good luck with all of this. I just spent about 20 minutes reading this thread. I will see if I can help in any way to get ahold of doomachine... I hope the FBI can help sort this out. It is odd that he also managed to find your backup server, never thought it wold be so easy. Hope all goes well, and you get paid for your loses.

-Andy

ST-Jason

February 5th, 2006, 01:16

I am really sorry for that. Having morgage, 5 year old and 2 car payments. Makes me sick to think this world is like this, the people that would do this to others.

Regards,

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 01:30

ST-Jason

February 5th, 2006, 01:38

Hi

HW, isnt WHP liable for anything?, I mean, they should provide a secure system & if a kid can hack into it you should put a case on them for there liabilities to keep you safe & your information?.

Being a real company, Im sure they must have some kind of insurance. It was there fault. They should keep your information safe and not accidentaly spread it to the world. Its mainly there fault. :shame:

Regards,

Skribblez

February 5th, 2006, 01:40

Just where does doomachine come into this? He has some contact information here http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80019 but the MSN appears to be the domain of Neil Ramos. Neil is Australian, doomachine isn't.

Domain: shareforum.org
Cache Date: 2005-11-12
Registrar:

Domain ID:D105483210-LROR
Domain Name:SHAREFORUM.ORG
Created On:26-Dec-2004 01:34:44 UTC
Last Updated On:21-May-2005 20:54:51 UTC Expiration Date:26-Dec-2005 01:34:44 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Spot Domain LLC dba Domainsite.com and Name.com (R87-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:dsite-465782
Registrant Name:Neil Ramos
Registrant Organization:WebPlanetHost
Registrant Street1:6/27 Macquarie Road
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Auburn
Registrant State/Province:NSW
Registrant Postal Code:2144
Registrant Country:AU
Registrant Phone:+61.96461486
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: faye_boobs_are_nice@hotmail.com

I do not have control over that account anymore. When I sold WebPlanetHost (years ago), I also included my DomainSite account. Obviously the new owner hasn't bothered to create a new account and push all the domains in there.

That domain was registered as a bonus for doomachine2000 when he purchased a hosting account at WebPlanetHost. I am not involved in warez as doomachine2000 is. That domain was purchased as that was the domain he requested at the time.

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 01:43

ST-Jason

February 5th, 2006, 01:47

Being so geographically close, I have multiple meetings already scheduled with them.
Great to here. Good luck at the meetings.

Regards,

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 02:03

hello i talked with one of the admins and he fixed the trouble ticked problem jsut thought id let u guys know

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 02:06

hello i talked with one of the admins and he fixed the trouble ticked problem jsut thought id let u guys know

Its a bit late now, the damage has already been done.

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 02:19

well at least it wont happen again

and seriously i did'nt cause the damage ok so maybe i sorts brought it on but i did'nt even connect to your server so i dont think u should blame it on me it is clearly dooms fault i did not even teach him how to view others tickets he figured it out yourself

Thanks like saying you can kill someone with a gun and then me getting blamed when u shoot someone

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 02:52

I have read this and have concluded that after all this that webhostplus.com is overall at fault here. They failed to secure their support ticket system giving Gavin access to a server.

Gavin claims to have not deleted the accounts, but instead told a friend that he found out how to hack the system.

Gavin, its time to confess and admit that you made a mistake and deal with the consequences. :shame: Now that you have made this public you have only raised anger.

HottWeelz, I feel sorry for you and if this happened to me I would be doing the same. WebHostPlus sucks.

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:07

I've read through this and i have to say:

Gavin is 30% to blame.
doommachine200 is 70% to blame.

Call their parents, if something isn't sorted, call the FBI.

As for Neil Ramos, his name has come up in TONS of scams. I would not be surprised if doommachine2000 was in fact Neil Ramos.

oh and RackFirm your sig is breaking the rules.

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:09

I have been doing months of research on Neil Ramos. Just i case that it is, you should check this post (which i insodently made).

http://forums.hostmatrix.org/showthread.php?t=8482

Last post in the thread is in interest.

To be honest hottweels, this has ruined your rep, and you will propably have to change your alias. As in the last post, i must agree. I would sue both the parents of the kids and the datacenter/coder itself.

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:13

dragonflycms[dot]org/Forums/viewtopic/p=97657.html#97657

Lets see what will happen now...

(Please copy and paste the URL above and remove the space. I do not want an active link as the admin of dragonfly can track it back to this thread.

Robert.

Best of luck, hottweels. I am doing my best on this shocking incodent. Please come on MSN so i can have a chat, i have some ideas which could help

sep

February 5th, 2006, 03:21

I have been doing months of research on Neil Ramos. Just i case that it is, you should check this post (which i insodently made).

Dare to share your research as a proof?

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 03:24

Wait, wait. What does Neil Ramos have ANYTHING to do with this post?

NetCafe

February 5th, 2006, 03:24

Allen, I beg to differ on the losing of reputation part. Whether HW losses his reputation will mainly depend on his present stand and course of action in this matter.

His clients , if they are aware of this incident will be more understanding and will be looking at the action which HW is going to take. Concrete actions will score more points with his clients and rein in more in the future once his business is back on its feet.

On a side note, we were young once and everyone make mistake. I am against sending the minors to prison if some sort of compensation can be worked out between their parents and guardian.

Losses is inevitable, clients will leave and HW has to be compensated, it may not cover all losses but thats the best one can hope for, off or in court.

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:25

Wait, wait. What does Neil Ramos have ANYTHING to do with this post?
he came up on whois on one of the sites that doommachine2000 owned.

sep

February 5th, 2006, 03:27

he came up on whois on one of the sites that doommachine2000 owned.

And he clearly stated that he sold the host for that site long ago...... to doom......

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:28

Although Gayble (Neil Ramos) did post it was not his site anymore, we most not rule him out, and he is still possible to be creator of this.... I ----ing dunno what to call it...

You ----ing ------, how the ---- could you do this. I am so ----ing pissed off with whoever did this. Why the ---- would anyone do this? ---- sake...

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:29

And he clearly stated that he sold the host for that site long ago...... to doom......
yeah, but do you believe everything you read? I dont, especially if it's written by a well known scammer.

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 03:29

I'm sure your customers cant sue you, webhostplus.com is the one that let down the security not you. If they must sue anyone it's webhostplus.com, Gavin or doommachine200

PS. Jubii sEp has got a Avater

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 03:30

he came up on whois on one of the sites that doommachine2000 owned.
That is the best thing I have ever heard.

First you say you have done months of research only to tell us that you found his name in a WHOIS REPORT? Do you find joy in researching 14-15 year old kids over the internet?

Sorry, that doesn't seem right to me and your proof is insufficient.

sep

February 5th, 2006, 03:30

You ----ing ------, how the ---- could you do this. I am so ----ing pissed off with whoever did this. Why the ---- would anyone do this? ---- sake...

:shame: :shame: :shame:

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:30

I would say to sue the lot of them.

I have already expressed by bitter opinion in the last post...

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:31

That is the best thing I have ever heard.

First you say you have done months of research only to tell us that you found his name in a WHOIS REPORT? Do you find joy in researching 14-15 year old kids over the internet?

Sorry, that doesn't seem right to me and your proof is insufficient.

no, you asked me how he came into this and i told you.

NetCafe

February 5th, 2006, 03:31

My latest understanding is this:

Doom has offered to pay, what about gavin? If gavin is sincere and forthcoming in this issue, shouldn't he confess to this parents on the hoprrible things he has done and seek their understanding in this matter so that they being his guardian can try to work something out with HW?

I see aimless trying to talk something out with Gavin as he is a minor and in chinese society, thats not appropriate due to their age and mental ability.

My 2 cents.

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:31

You ----ing ------, how the ---- could you do this. I am so ----ing pissed off with whoever did this. Why the ---- would anyone do this? ---- sake...

---- ------- -- --- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ----.

BOO YAH!

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:33

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:34

We must find out who did this. I am not even indirectly involved, and i am trying to help. I hope you understand were i am coming from.

This is by far the worst scam i have ever seen. It is just insanity that someone could do this. Why oh why should they do this? It is pointless...

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:35

We have found out.. doommachine confessed.

NetCafe

February 5th, 2006, 03:36

Allan, I dont know about suing a minor, its interstate and that may be a difficult move on HW's part. Some countries do not allow minors to be sued.

Legally speaking from a lawyer friend, all 3 are liable.

I would say to sue the lot of them.

I have already expressed by bitter opinion in the last post...

sep

February 5th, 2006, 03:36

Why won't mods just close this topic? this ain't going anywhere...... It's all gavin and hottweelz'z business now.

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:40

No, it should not be locked unless hottweels wants it to be closed for a start. He may want to update the thread and tell everyone what is going on.

Robert.

NetCafe

February 5th, 2006, 03:40

TM Said:"IMO I think between them they should cover the value of the company, + $1000-2000 compensation."

I disagree on the amount. How much does a decent company in the states charge per hour for such recovery? $1k in compensation is duly inadequate. Shouldn't the cost of recovery be included if HW chooses to engage someone to recover his sites, inter alia?

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 03:40

Either way, its only going to cause more havok.

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:42

This is a fragile situation. I cannot believe that someone could do such a lot for no reason. The legal costs will be too high for a productive law suit, but i feel it needs to be done. This is so unfair on many peoples parts.

NetCafe

February 5th, 2006, 03:47

Why won't mods just close this topic? this ain't going anywhere...... It's all gavin and hottweelz'z business now.

NO, it should not be locked at all. there are more than 700 interested parties here and we are all keenly following the issue.

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 03:48

I only feel sorry for the parents in this case since we are talking about two minors. But I hope a lesson was learned to both kids and the datacenter.

Skribblez

February 5th, 2006, 03:48

I would not be surprised if doommachine2000 was in fact Neil Ramos.

Wow! :D Wouldn't it be cool to be Indian? :) I would be able to speak like Kerpal and Apu, and prank people all day! :D

Ok, seriously, I am not doomachine2000 :D

Thankyou come again!

I have been doing months of research on Neil Ramos. Just i case that it is, you should check this post (which i insodently made).

http://forums.hostmatrix.org/showthread.php?t=8482

Last post in the thread is in interest.

Wow! :) that's EXTREMELY nice of you, Robert! :) Too bad you don't go by personal experience though.

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:51

Good point about the Indian thing. OK now thats cleared up...

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 03:53

Good point about the Indian thing. OK now thats cleared up...
whats cleared up?

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 03:53

that neil ramos isnt doommachine...

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:54

Neil Ramos, i am just trying to help the thread. Sorry if it 'blacklists' you in this thread in anyway, i just want to get this sorted like everyone else.

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 03:54

that neil ramos isnt doommachine...
oh ok..
*edit* I found this if it helps http://doommachine.deviantart.com/

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 03:56

I still dont see why Neil is part of this, he did nothing wrong. Unless selling a domain is illegal?

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 03:57

Good point about the Indian thing. OK now thats cleared up...

Indeed, maybe we should stop posting posts which we cant prove, lets just wait for HW to clear things up when he has the info :classic2:.

sep

February 5th, 2006, 03:58

Indeed, maybe we should stop posting post which we cant prove, lets just wait for HW to clear things up when he has the info :classic2:.

I agree with you Master Craig. :God:

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 03:59

Ok. Totally ignore everything about neil ramos from now on.

Any more posts about neil ramos in this thread, and i will report it.

RackFirm

February 5th, 2006, 04:05

Thats funny Robert, seeing how you started the event about Neil.

robert allen

February 5th, 2006, 04:12

I did not mean to start an issue with neil... Just my luck...

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 04:17

Hmm.. whats going on?

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 05:24

ok i thought that i would bring to attention that doom is a scammer

When i hosted his reseller a number of times my server got pulled because he was hsoting fake shops etc.to scam peoples credit cards and paypals accounts

Ofcourse once i was aware i deleted his ----

Just thought i would bring that up

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 06:22

hmm.. sounds like he has coursed more damage then Gavin

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 06:26

doom came on and i blocked him cos he has been a total prick lately and and now i find my paypal is locked and i have lost over 2 grand :O

I seriously mean no harm i have never done anything malicious in my life i get good school grades and my police record is clear please dont sue me ans fsk up my life

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 06:28

Hmm.. if what you say is true doom is a real jerk. Whats his msn?

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 06:30

People, lets just wait untit HW clears this up, Gavin is as much to blame as doom, hacking is a crime.

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 06:31

wirehostsales@gmail.com and admin@shareforum.org

he uses wirehostsales the most

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 06:33

People, lets just wait untit HW clears this up, Gavin is as much to blame as doom, hacking is a crime.
Good point..
HW just tell me if you need help:.

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 10:39

Hey guys, thanks for keeping this thread alive. It will prove useful.

I just woke up, 11:35 am EST. Went to bed (to attempt to sleep) around 4am EST.

I'd like to say, thanks to much of our redundancy, there is quite a lot of customers, that we thought would not be restored, actually getting restored.

I hope this satisfies a lot of the clientele.

Legal action is definately, without question, being persued at this time. All three parites involved.

If Gavin and Doomachine2000 do not pro-actively release personal information to any members of my firm, then we will use the FBI to gain that personal information.

Some personal notes for everyone directly involved:

This is not something that will NOT go away.
Paypal locking is nothing compared to the potential sanctions that are only due.
The shame I feel alone to 700 sites that trusted one of my servers is tremendous, how do I address these people? (Which I have yet to do completely).
Being today is Sunday, there is only 24 hours remaining, NY Time, for the personal information to be sent, emailed, called in, carrier Pigeoned over, or personally delivered. Monday morning is a regular business day.
I am only more angered with the fact I've not accomplished anything in regards to moving forward, while not even sleeping well.

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 10:42

As for my reputation:

Not too concerned.

Everything, not sensitive to the forthcoming suits, will be posted here.
So any future attackers might get to stop and think before they do anything damaging.

Once this thread is over, I assure you, everyone who has read it will be thinking to themselves.

"I'm glad I'm not that person."

dsfreak

February 5th, 2006, 11:04

I hear you HW. I really hope you get money for all of this damage, and find some way to address your users about this. The easiest thing you could do is probably just tell them flat out what happend, someone hacked your server, and the backup server, therefore, all accounts were lost.

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 11:29

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 11:47

Hey at least http://moose-networks.com/ survived. ;)

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 12:04

heh... me noticed :D

Meh, i'll need to redesign it anyway.

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 12:06

OK @ hw Whats going to hapen again ?

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 12:19

OK @ hw Whats going to hapen again ?

Knock knock knock :nervous:.

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 12:20

heh... me noticed :D

Meh, i'll need to redesign it anyway.
Lol! nothing unlucky ever happains to TM:P

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 12:27

OK @ hw Whats going to hapen again ?

We need some real personal contact info, otherwise US Law Enforcement will research it.

careboy

February 5th, 2006, 12:31

He's 14.
ROFL!!

Ban please.

utcrazy

February 5th, 2006, 12:37

Boys will be boys :) Just kidding, but after reading through this entire thread, I would reccomend legal action to hotweelz, and best of luck getting your clients back, it will be a big pain for sure, but you may be able to come afloat again. I think a bigger scam than this was the Steve something one, he basically didn't pay for his servers, got a few clients from that whole thing. Buit all scams like this affect a lot of people, and I don't like the way Gavin is addressing the situation. Just my opinion.

themoose

February 5th, 2006, 13:10

and I don't like the way Gavin is addressing the situation.

yeah, i dont think he realises the seriousness of this. Even if it wasn't 100% his fault.

NetCafe

February 5th, 2006, 13:18

I find you either mentally retard or trying to act funny and innocent in this entire issue.

What do you expect to happen when you indirectly wiped out someone's ENTIRE server, costing thousands in sales? You expect that by coming coming here, saying "sorry" and everything will go away? NO can do!

I read the entire thread and other than sorry and trying to wriggle and push the blame on doom, you have NEVER really admitted that you were partly at fault and come forth offering some kind of remedy.

We are talking about financial losses here, lost clients, client's sites, etc etc etc.

What do you think will happen?

OK @ hw Whats going to hapen again ?

ST-Jason

February 5th, 2006, 13:24

Kommercial

February 5th, 2006, 13:38

I just thought I would make everyone aware, I've been using HW hosting (PrimitiveHosting.com) now for awhile, and I couldn't be happier.

I actually left, only to realize, the grass isn't greener on the other side. I tried free hosts, paid hosts, and even ad hosts, and still, nothing was quite as fast, and as reliable as Primitive Hosting. This will not ruin his reputation with me, and I will continue to recommend his service to any and everyone that asks who to use.

Infact, I proudly display his link on the footer of every page on my website, which is not at all required by him in anyway. He doesn't ask for any ads or advertising of any sort.

HW, you need to take legal action. Although, they are kids, they and their parents, are still completely accountable for what has been done. I wouldn't hold your hosting accountable, I would hold both doomachine and the other kid, as they knew exactly what they were doing hacking into the system.

It's just like owning anything else, if it doesn't belong to you, leave it alone.

Kommercial

February 5th, 2006, 13:42

We are pleased to inform all affected clients of Chargertek and its affiliates that we have managed to restore 99% of all sites created on or before 28th january 2006. We regret we were unable to restore 3 of the hundreds of sites lost due to circumstances beyond our control. All 3 are main reseller sites but their clients are ALL INTACT.

Those affected (both reseller and hosting MAIN accounts) should FOR THE TIME BEING point their domain to the following nameservers if they are not on ns1-star to ns3 star.chargertek.com:

ns1.chargertek.com
ns2.chargertek.com

They should be able to view and access their site within 48 hours.

Kindly contact us at drsite@rtgasia.com with your domain name / username if you are still having problems.

Even so, still continue with charges.

Brandon

February 5th, 2006, 13:51

HottWeelz,
Sue both their ---'es off.

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 14:10

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 14:20

Definately a faithful bunch over there, and only about 10% of my customers are IN the forum....

btw: Lawfirm is quoting $200 per hour.

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 14:21

Definately a faithful bunch over there, and only about 10% of my customers are IN the forum....

btw: Lawfirm is quoting $200 per hour.
OMG! Is that worth it?

freak127

February 5th, 2006, 14:41

I really hope so.
hottweelz, you are a really nice person and you did not deserve any of this to have happened to you. Nobody deserves hackers to destroy their company.
As for doommachine2000, I personally spoke to him over MSN a few times before, weeks ago. He was a complete scammer, offering impossible hosting plans, and I am glad I chose not to go with him. What seems to have happened to him though, he doesn't seem to have responded throughout this thread, and nobody seems to have mentioned talking to him recently either?
As for Gavin, I can't believe what you did. Even now, you are trying to act toally innocent and shift all the blame to doommachine2000. I haven't actually seen you admit that what you did was wrong, but I have seen doommachine2000 admit it in the transcript on the first page.
Anyway, good luck with getting everything sorted hottweelz, I really hope you get it fixed as soon as you can. Also, if you need any help at all then please don't hesitate to let me know. My MSN address is freak127@gmail.com

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 14:51

OMG! Is that worth it?

Not only is it worth it, it's a F'n deal.

kroboto

February 5th, 2006, 14:56

$200/hr. is a fairly good rate. And when one considers the fact that the dollar figure will prevent it from being in small claims court it could be considered a steal. I know, the probable internationalization of this case would preclude small claims court anyway. Which is another reason it is a small price to pay. I assume that legal fees are to be included. I would so.

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 14:58

Well what do i know:S

Brandon

February 5th, 2006, 15:01

You should contact Judge Judy or someone, I'd like to see these kids get the crap sued out of their parents ;)

Nug

February 5th, 2006, 15:06

Poor kids, they probley didnt knew what hit them, but ofcouse its even more poor hottweelz!

kroboto

February 5th, 2006, 15:48

Okay. First off, I am NOT a lawyer. I don't know squat about Australian law either.

Now for the fun part.

This is actually two seperate cases. Actually four. The first case is crimal. The unauthorized access is illegal in every country I can pronounce. So, they, the actual perpetrators, can be charged for that.

Also, there is the civil suit. That would go to the parents as both defendants or juviniles. So mom and dad get the shaft for not properly supervising juniors online activities.

So far that is one criminal and one civil for each defendant. That's just from ChargerTek.

Let's not forget that the datacenter is also involved. So they also have the option of persuing legal action as well as pressing charges of their own. Potential for another set of cases for each.

Mom and Dad broke. Son in juvy. Bad times for all. Not pretty.

My question is this, does Australia have a double jeopardy law like the US? The defendants better hope so. Also, is HW systems the only ones touched? The datacenter people would be the only ones to know for sure.

Note: The possibilty that the civil and criminal cases could be rolled into one each and the damages paid as restitution is there. But the parents would still be ultimately responsible for several thousands of dollars (US not AU dollars) in damages.

gavin_2oo5

February 5th, 2006, 17:08

Craig

February 5th, 2006, 17:27

Kommercial

February 5th, 2006, 19:16

ok i admit it i got into the trouble ticket system but with no bad intentions

And i did not hack it if you google / wikipedia hack it means breaking in with force i did not have to use force i just changed a few numbers so its only half classified as hacking

Ok also im not shiufting the blame to doom it was him i do not get my joy runining other peoples lifes but it seems most of you guys are fukcing overprotective control freaks

Hack - To use one's skill in computer programming to gain illegal or unauthorized access to a file or network: hacked into the company's intranet.

It's not about being overprotective, infact, they were a little too underprotective, look what you've done to their server.

You know, I'm usually a laid back family guy, but not only have you messed with HW's business, you've jumped into his personal life. He has a family and child to care for, and by you being 14, you wouldn't understand how important that is. Tell your mommy and daddy to pay for this one. I hope HW takes you for everything he can get.

HW, I would try to cut a deal with either of them, just go straight to the authorities.

Tree

February 5th, 2006, 19:46

it seems most of you guys are fukcing overprotective control freaks

Not really. 700 sites man. Literally millions of man hours went into those sites combined. Possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I just don't think you understand, Mr. Gavin.

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 20:54

Gavin:

We just spoke three times on your cellular phone.
You told me to call you back in 10 hours as you are in school.
I just left you a voicemail on the last call, because you could not answer the phone in school. That might very well be true.

Listen to the instructions I left.

It is very important. I am very serious.

You absolutely need to get your parents involved. It is their life that is about to be ruined.

Do not make a poor decision here, you need to be an adult just for the moment.

Your college education, your future, your parent's home, pension, savings is all in jeopardy.

These lawyers are very serious. Only honesty is going to help you here.

I understand I need to wait for you to get out of school. However it's about 10pm here in NY.

Lawyers are starting at 9am NY Time. There is not enough time as it is.
This is bad

The lawyers have subpoenas already drawn out, for Whois, Domainsbyproxy Inc., Enom Inc, etc.

These companies are not going to argue with them, they are going to hand over your information on the spot. They want no part of this.

You're innocent parents have to be made aware.
Doomachine2000 is already prepared to blame 100% on you.
This also can turn very very unfortunate for innocent people.

I feel terrible about this, but I have to do, what I have to do.

This is a very serious statement. I obviously have your cellular, I have your screen names, I have subpoenas ready.

You need to stop hiding otherwise it will be much worse.

If you do not come out of hiding. Your parents are going to find out the hard way, and once litigation initiates, I'm not going to slow it down.

9am Eastern Standard Time. USA. You have my phone number on your voicemail.

Brandon

February 5th, 2006, 21:05

I get the feeling that Gavin is not going to respond. His attitude so far has shown that he does not understand the severity of this situation.
Gavin, the sooner you tell your parents and contact HW, the less trouble you will be in.

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 21:16

The mobile company will release his cell phone # to the firm, the firm will reference it to the address, the address will come back to his parents or guardians,

WL-Michael

February 5th, 2006, 21:42

Yeh, I guess he doesnt realize how serious this could be. Gavin, word of advice from one who knows as I have training in Law Enforcement (Greenville County Sheriff's Office, LEC & SAC) and computer forensics, it would really be in your best interest to co-operate fully with the pre-investigation as not doing so makes you look incredibly guilty and pardon me if I am wrong but with a system having been comprimised by you and the informations transferred you are the main suspect.

If charges flew on you no matter where you are located you can easily be extradited to the state and/or country of the crime or agency pursuing you. What most people think about "oh I'm located in such and such or I'm only this age" is BS. Thats what extraditions are for and thats what Juvenile prisons are for and trust me, that is somewhere you do not wanna be.

Best thing to do is put the fire out before it gets started.

hottweelz

February 5th, 2006, 21:45

Best thing to do is put the fire out before it gets started.

That's all we need done.

We sue the DC, we have to hackers to "backup" the idea that the DC is negligent, the hackers prove it.

The hackers get immunity for proving where the negligence is.

Anything else, brings no immunity.

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:18

@ Kommercial

B ut i did not gain access i did not go into your system i didnt even ----ikng press on connect it was doom

@ brandon

are you ----ing blind i have responded in every way possiblt

@ Michael

Yeh, I guess he doesnt realize how serious this could be. Gavin, word of advice from one who knows as I have training in Law Enforcement (Greenville County Sheriff's Office, LEC & SAC) and computer forensics, it would really be in your best interest to co-operate fully with the pre-investigation as not doing so makes you look incredibly guilty and pardon me if I am wrong but with a system having been comprimised by you and the informations transferred you are the main suspect.

It was not compromised by me it was by doom

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

i did not release instructions on how to hack it i just said it was easy

Everything is possible and everything can be hacked if i told u that you can kill someone with a gun but did not actually give u one or even tell u how to pull the trigger if u went along and killed someone and said he told me i could kill someone with a gun they would find it to be your fault

I will call you soon my voicemail is being ----

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:25

no offence i think this is a load of bullsh!t cos im getting blamed for nothing but just to let u know that the number u left i cannot call it just says number invalid

Wojtek

February 6th, 2006, 01:27

now now gavin, dont use the ---- word <<Now now Wojtek, don't bypass our filters>>
you'r not in the position to swear :)

so do the other way around, give yours so he can call

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:31

if it helps dooms dad's name is like Tarsem Bulgran or something close to that and they live in the us or uk and came over form india

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:34

he has my number allready

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:34

check the ----ing logs and you will find its not my ip

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:36

i want to see logs

sep

February 6th, 2006, 01:36

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=doomachine2000&btnG=Search&meta=
:/

Jan

February 6th, 2006, 01:41

What is doomachine's real name?

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:41

mookesh

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:43

you dont have logs and ---- all proof so id like to see your cae pass i did not do ---- all

Wojtek

February 6th, 2006, 01:46

you admitted yourself, why do you need logs?

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:54

what the hell are you talking about ??

i want logs i did not do ----

Jan

February 6th, 2006, 01:54

Is your Mum at home now? I'll call your mobile and you can put her on, or your Dad? ;)

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:56

none of them are home you can talk to me if you want

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:57

god dam i thought mookesh was a friend he just did a wrong and shifted all the blame onto me what a ----

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 01:58

Jan

February 6th, 2006, 02:01

you dont have logs and ---- all proof so id like to see your cae pass i did not do ---- all
Yes you did!

ok heres the story

I found out a way to bypass the webhostplus's troublw ticket system and let me view others tickets i found this rather interesting and was looking to see if other people had the same problems with me and yes everyone hates them

I noticed the logins i tried to login to a server it worked so then i closed it all off and left it at that i am not a malicious person

But when i told doom about the trouble tickets he tried it and took a server and own'd it

Doom is a prick and he is lying to you i did not erase your sites nor sell your server to someone else

Any of u can add me to msn @ admin@phileportal.com dont email me there yet still getting my new server sorted and yes i did pay for this one if your thinking dodgy thought

Thanks and hope your on my side
Aiding and abetting.

Skribblez

February 6th, 2006, 02:01

and if any of you winge and say you canoot swear i will personally slap you i am so pissed of at the moment i have done nothing wrong and you ----s are trying to ruin my life

you have no proof therefore no reason to believe me talk is cheap i know you probably think im lying but if i really did it i would not reply in here nor would i have called you

If you don't get arrested, you will surely get arrested for abusing and harassing the edit button :biggrin2: I'm just kidding around, but remember, the edit button is your friend oldman2

Hope you guys get this mess sorted. Best of luck.

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 02:03

sorry im just pissed off that that hotweelz has inatimately chosen me to blame even though all the evidence points to doom

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 02:05

but i did not actually login to the server

thats like someone saying heres a bat go kill that guy and u saying no

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 02:06

i would gladly hand over my contact details etc. but i canoot see anything good happening from it

Wojtek

February 6th, 2006, 02:08

im just pissed off that that hotweelz has inatimately chosen me to blame even though all the evidence points to doom

dude, did you read what i wrote couple pages ago?

you gave a gun to some dude and he killed
you'r both guilty, BOTH

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 02:10

i did not give it to him

i just said it was possible

i did not go to that ------ standing on the corner and get a gun off him or snything

Wojtek

February 6th, 2006, 02:12

i just said it was possible
There you go

gavin_2oo5

February 6th, 2006, 02:20

omfg are you mentally retarted

i said like oi ----- u can kill someone witha gun and he went and did it

i did not give him any instruction on how to do it or when / where to start

You guys should listen i am fckuing innocint INNOCENT

Jan

February 6th, 2006, 02:34

Another reason parents should monitor their kids internet usage :S