Tax cuts costing big time now

[bigperm]

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/business/dailynews/rebates_treasury_010731.html

The treasury department is having to borrow 51 billion dollars to pay for Bush's tax cuts. Anybody else remeber another president who cut taxes for the rich and exploded the national debt in the same stroke of a pen? Looks like we have another Reagen here... hopefully, though, Bush will only make it through one term.

[Giancarlo]

Wrong pal.
Do you have any concept what consumer spending is? Tax cut makes the consumer spends more, therefore the tax cut is good. And you are wrong. Bush is going to be reelected. And another Reagan then excellent our nation can be reassured economic stablitity and not plummeting any more because of the Democrats and specifically Clinton.

Don't believe the media because they are never right as Spiro Agnew once said.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Don't believe the media because they are never right as Spiro Agnew once said.

well he's wrong.

the only sources that i use are NPR/PRI, the BBC, PBS, the Washington Post and the NY Times ;)

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


well he's wrong.

the only sources that i use are NPR/PRI, the BBC, PBS, the Washington Post and the NY Times ;)

In your eyes he is, but in mine all of those especially the Washington Post and NY Times are really pathetic. CNN is turning towards the right as you can notice on their homepage, where they are saying in a big title that the Bush adminstration is a success. The left-wing media is still full of crap, and lies.

The Bush adminstration is a success, and recovery is coming sometime soon as said by several leading optimists and even pessimists.

A hero can be made in the eyes of the left-wing press if the individual joins in with the jackal packs. - Somewhat derived from a quote by McCarthy.

Never trust the Leftist Press, they are full of crap, and don't present the facts as they really are.

[niv]

i wouldn't say about the same for right-wing media companies because i'm not a moron. you may think you're so righteous, high and mighty because you're a republican. can't you admit that republican views are not always right? hmph, what have you to say about that pig Rush Limbaugh?

[niv]

i'm not trying to start a flame war. i'm saying get rid of your "I'm right and you're wrong" mentality.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
i wouldn't say about the same for right-wing media companies because i'm not a moron. you may think you're so righteous, high and mighty because you're a republican. can't you admit that republican views are not always right? hmph, what have you to say about that pig Rush Limbaugh?

My views are for the betterment of america, and for economic growth. I really don't know what you views are for.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
i'm not trying to start a flame war. i'm saying get rid of your "I'm right and you're wrong" mentality.

I never said that, you said that.

You said Agnew was wrong.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


My views are for the betterment of america, and for economic growth. I really don't know what you views are for.

Again with that same mentality. You really don't have a mind that is open to new ideas, do you?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


Again with that same mentality. You really don't have a mind that is open to new ideas, do you?

Open to new ideas of what? I don't know and I don't care about your views. In my opinion the democrats don't know how to run the economy at all, but that is my opinion.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I never said that, you said that.

You said Agnew was wrong.

I'm saying he was wrong because I had a reason to, and that was that statement about the "leftist" media companies. They are not full of crap, frankly because the NY times is a democratic newspaper :rolleyes:

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Open to new ideas of what? I don't know and I don't care about your views. In my opinion the democrats don't know how to run the economy at all, but that is my opinion.

I'm thinking you couldn't care about my views because I am not a Republican and therefore I am not perfect, and that anyone who shares my beliefs is incapable of running the country right because of one thing, my ideas.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


I'm saying he was wrong because I had a reason to, and that was that statement about the "leftist" media companies. They are not full of crap, frankly because the NY times is a democratic newspaper :rolleyes:

The democratic newspaper is not full of crap? What you really need to look at, which is clearly unbiased media is http://www.townhall.com ... your democratic newspaper is not stating the facts.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


The democratic newspaper is not full of crap? What you really need to look at, which is clearly unbiased media is http://www.townhall.com ... your democratic newspaper is not stating the facts.

Nor do republican newspapers. Your point?

[Giancarlo]

Then read a non-biased newspaper, if such thing exists.

[niv]

That would be impossible ;)

NPR is non-biased. I'm the one who listens to it 15/7 ;)

[Giancarlo]

But reading the NYTimes is like reading the Pravada.
I only read newspapers, news on the internet that are Conserative, Republican, or a few that are non-biased.

[niv]

But I am pandering, don't you ever want to know what the democrats are thinking? I mean, won't ever think that maybe once in a while, they may be actually right about something (thinking from your perspective)?

[Giancarlo]

Sorry, I am just about right-wing in every issue. There is one or two cases I am closer to the center, but it is always on the right.

[niv]

I suppose you are against stem cell research right?

[Giancarlo]

We shouldn't mess around with humanity, so yes, I am against it.

[niv]

Morality Issues vs. Advancements in Science... *sigh*

[Giancarlo]

(I didn't say anything about religion, because I am one of the 30% of atheists/agnostics that is Republican)

I don't think stem cell would lead to any advancement but wreak pure havoc in the system of laws, and someone will take it one step too far by cloning humans. If anybody attempts to clone humans, I think thirty years in prision is fine for them.

[niv]

But what about stem cells for nerve cells? What if we can, sometime in the future, restore nerve cells to those who need them?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
But what about stem cells for nerve cells? What if we can, sometime in the future, restore nerve cells to those who need them?

NO, we should not alter anything even if it would save lives. The strongest survive, and if we keep on protecting ourselves then we will end up being weak and could be subjected to disease.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


NO, we should not alter anything even if it would save lives. The strongest survive, and if we keep on protecting ourselves then we will end up being weak and could be subjected to disease.

So, if your relative was dying from a form of a neurological disease, you would not care to have genetic engineering save that individual?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


So, if your relative was dying from a form of a neurological disease, you would not care to have genetic engineering save that individual?

So many liberals have tried to ask me that question, and I say cut it out because it is stupid. I am still against it in all forms. You won't believe how many times liberals have tried to use that stance against me by using these what-if questions.

[niv]

I'm saying what-if because it is not the impossible. It may not happen to your family but it certainally can be possible for others. Wow. A real debate! :)

Giancarlo, shall we continue tomorrow? Being awake for 21 hours and getting only 3 hours sleep has taken it's toll on me :mad:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
I'm saying what-if because it is not the impossible. It may not happen to your family but it certainally can be possible for others. Wow. A real debate! :)

Giancarlo, shall we continue tomorrow? Being awake for 21 hours and getting only 3 hours sleep has taken it's toll on me :mad:

My STANCE IS "NO". You cannot change that, it is incorrect to mess around with human genetics because it can bring along grave consquences that outweigh possible gains by five to none.

[niv]

five to none? :rolleyes: are you saying that advancements are impossible?

as i was saying, would you like to continue this debate tomorrow?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
five to none? :rolleyes: are you saying that advancements are impossible?

as i was saying, would you like to continue this debate tomorrow?

No, I meant five to one. The consquences could be grave.

Whoa, what does this have to do with taxes? This debate will not be continued unless another thread is made for it.

[niv]

~:p~

[bigperm]

NO, we should not alter anything even if it would save lives. The strongest survive, and if we keep on protecting ourselves then we will end up being weak and could be subjected to disease.

<<< mod edit >>> please refrase that if you wish to comment on it. this time without any insinuations and personal attacks please. thanks. /Peo

[Giancarlo]

<<< mod edit >>> Personal attacks are not allowed here, please stay out of namecalling etc. thanks. /Peo