Pay per Sale at CJ does not pay enough

[nickline]

I have a game emulator site with 500-1000 hits/day.

With my CJ pay per sale ads I get less than $0.1/1000 hits.

Any suggestion on game ads that do any better than this?
(Need to be reliable in payment.)

[}:8) Supermoo]

The Ad Industry as a whole is suffering from some of the lowest rates in a long time. Gaming websites have been some of the hardest hit, I imagine game emulation websites would be hit even harder considering their legal status.

I personally would be quite happy with earning 10c CPM.

Although, if you would like to earn more you can post some more details here (like your website address etc.); so we can try and help you.

Or you can visit some of the several affiliate directoires; Net-Ads (http://www.net-ads.com/), ClickQuick (http://www.clickquick.com/) and AffiliateFind (http://www.affiliatefind.com).

Best of luck,

[nickline]

Thanks Supermoo,

The site is: www.mameroms.f2s.com
It's a site for MAME emulator roms (info, find roms, but no downloads I think it's illegal)
It gets about 300 uniques/day and about 1500 page views/day.
Pay-Per-Sale is not so good. 5hits/3500 impressions/day and no sales :-(
What is the best program for impressions?
I have just been rejected by FastClick.

PS:I have cheked your directories, great info!
Do you know any directories for click exchange?

[}:8) Supermoo]

nickline,

I hate to be the person to bring in bad news, although because you are related to video game emulation and are endorsing their illegal usage you are going to find it difficult to get a sponsor.

I'd reccomend contacting other webmasters in the area and asking them what they do or manually searching through Terms and conditons to see if you're allowed.

[nickline]

Supermoo my site is perfectly legal.
What is illegal is to host roms and not display the appropriate legal notice.
If you host roms and display the legal stuff you are OK.
In my case, I don't even host any roms. I just give information on roms.
So my site is legal, I have checked this subject before building my site.

So any suggestions for my questions above?

[}:8) Supermoo]

Originally posted by }:8) Supermoo
Supermoo my site is perfectly legal.
What is illegal is to host roms and not display the appropriate legal notice.
If you host roms and display the legal stuff you are OK.
In my case, I don't even host any roms. I just give information on roms.
So my site is legal, I have checked this subject before building my site.

I think you may have mis-understood me, I'll go over my previous post:


Originally posted by }:8) Supermoo
nickline,

I hate to be the person to bring in bad news, although because you are related to video game emulation A and are endorsing their illegal usage B you are going to find it difficult to get a sponsor.[/B]

Here goes:
A: You are related to video-gaming emulation, this alone will get you banned from many programs. Even if it is legal video game emulation. This can normaly be worked around, although...
B: You are endorsing (approving) people downloading illegal files. This is typically illegal, and almost no affiliate programs will let you join. Check the terms and conditions and most will say "Emulation sites not allowed to join ... links to or endorsment of illegal activities such as romz...".

I hope you see what I'm trying to say now! :)

[nickline]

This is getting a little funny Supermoo :) ,

-->MY SITE DOES NOT HOST ANY ROMS<--

-->THERE IS NOTHING TO DOWNLOAD<--

-->I JUST GIVE INFO ON ROMS<--

Plus, there are no illegal rom files on the internet.
Rom files are not illegal.
Emulators are not illegal software.

What is illegal is:
" TO DOWNLOAD A ROM FILE, OF A GAME THAT YOU DON'T LEGALLY OWN ".

if you own the game you can download the rom.
if you don't own the game (in any form) it's illegal to download the rom file.

In any case, if the webmaster of the site displays the legal notice: " If you don't own this game go away...etc"
then the site is legal. There is no responsibility for the webmaster. It's that simple.

In my case, I don't even host any roms! But I know how to do it legally if I want to.



Now the fact from what you are saying is that the affiliate programs may ban my site because they don't know what is legal and what is illigal. Thats too bad for me then. I will try email them if I get rejected.

[}:8) Supermoo]

I am simply offering my opinion, nothing more. I suggested to you that you may have trouble getting into programs as your are supporting the illegal use of roms.



From your website:
Are you searching for Mame Roms or Mame emulator? Do you want to play free game? This is the place!
...
Now suppose you want badly, to play free game named "Pac-Man". You all know the game (Boy, how many coins I have spend on this game when I was young). Now it's finally a free game on my PC.
...
Once you can find the Pac-Man rom download it and install it on your computer you are finished.
...
This is the reason I made this cool web site...

So anyone can find fast the roms!


Now, even though you may not host any roms, you are endorsing their illegal usage. This itself may not be illegal, although will ban you from several programs:


Terms and Conditions (AllClicks)
The action of sending any hits from any URLs which contain and/or promote the following content: adult content or any type of pornography, MP3s, ROMs, EMUs, newsgroup postings, spam e-mails, racism, promotion of hatred, violence or any other site which contains content or promotes activities which are illegal in the united states without the prior written consent of Allclicks, inc. will result in the immediate cancellation of the account from which the hits were sent and the forfeiture of any funds owed to that account.


Beginning to see the problem now?



Now the fact from what you are saying is that the affiliate programs may ban my site because they don't know what is legal and what is illigal. Thats too bad for me then. I will try email them if I get rejected.

Going by the above statement I would get their consent before.

Best of luck,

[jkcity]

The site may be technicaly not illegal, But everyone knows peopel sue rom sites only to commit ilegal activities.

Its jsut the way it is, 99% of rom site users are more than likely to be taking roms and stuff ilegally, so your endorsing this illegalness.

[Ted S]

nickline -
Advertising is not tied to technical legalities.

Your site could be about anything but if it talks about roms or other illegal activities, sponsors don't want anything to do with it. Sites that distribute and PROVIDE INFORMATION on such activities are rarely running legit traffic, many force visitors to buy or view sponsor's pages and products and therefore advertisers have a simple policy - don't bother (email them all you want but they'll spend more watching your site every week then they'll make having you use their programs).


Further more, people looking for information on game emulation are rarely going to go out and buy a new grille or car and therefore sponsors are less inclined to your site. Ideally sponsorship works like this... someone has a product they want sold, they use an ad company like fastclicks to bring them sales and fast click pays you for your views. If you don't offer traffic that makes sales/ signups then that company makes no money so your sponsor site makes no money and closes therefore the only advertising you get will be advertising that either is completely untargeted and at a very low rate or something which your users will buy or partake in.


What is illegal is:
" TO DOWNLOAD A ROM FILE, OF A GAME THAT YOU DON'T LEGALLY OWN ".

That’s a technical stand point… napster never broke the law giving users access to songs, napster required you to agree that you owned the song. However, justa s the napster case proved, its it not a matter of if you agree or not, it is a matter of what you do. A tos that says you must own a game to download it will not stop you from getting sued or from losing a law suit… law suits are won by people with money and precedent and rom sites have very little of either. You can disclaim the files all you want, you can avoid posting files and show links or information instead but the point is you are still helping to distribute files illegally and without the authorized consent of their makers… distribution is a consensual act and doing it without consent or with false intentions is illegal.

[nickline]

Ok guys. First of all I didn't know that rom sites would go in the same category of warez, cracking, etc. sites.

Some time ago a lot if not a all of the big sites that host roms were closed down. After that period most of them were reopened displaying the legal statement that made their site legal. This was issued by the game companies that own the rom files. (Capcom, Namco, Taito, etc.) Now these sites are LEGAL and have the permission to host the roms by their legal owners (the game companies).

I won't say anything else about legal or illegal. Under certain conditions the sites ARE LEGAL.

Now, Ted has an interesting point there with Napster. But, it is not the same case because most of these games are 5-25 years old, they are more museum exhibitions rather than games. So the big game companies are not interested in these games because they don't generate any income for them. For the Napster case, I guess that if Napster found to be illegal, then almost all the web is illegal. But remember who were the suitors of Napster. Big music companies. That means big $. I would be surprised if Napster could win such a case. But lets not discuss about the Napster case, people have been talking about it with a lot of different opinions. My opinion is that if Napster is illegal then we must close half websites of the planet for the same reasons, stop using our cassette recorders, close radio stations, stop using CD burners, a lot more.

On what Ted said about the quality of traffic. The quality of traffic a rom sites get, is the same as any site that attracts gamers in my opinion. No robbers, no criminals, no prisoners :)
All gamers are interested in games. And game ads exist. They may not produce as much income as other ads but for a game site they are good.

You say Ted: "Further more, people looking for information on game emulation are rarely going to go out and buy a new grille or car and therefore sponsors are less inclined to your site"

A grille or a car? I was not hopping that they would. No game site will ever sell a grille or a car. But it will sell a new game on CD, a console, a board game, etc.

Supermoo you say: "Now, even though you may not host any roms, you are endorsing their illegal usage. This itself may not be illegal, although will ban you from several programs:"

"endorsing their illegal usage". I have explained what is legal above, so I am not endorsing anything.

But the fact is that it will ban me from several programs, you are true about that. I never imagined that roms site were so "underground" :)
But as I can see, they are in the eyes of advertisers.

Although I can not get in the good programs (FastClick, Advertising, etc.) I will keep trying, I don't want to loose my traffic just like that.

Thanks to all about the info.