NS record help

[gyrbo]

OK, I got a nice new .kg. Now I pointed it to everydns.net, in order to update all my DNS info (domain.kg is really slow with NDS updates). Now my question is: how do I point my domain (bla.bla.kg) to netfirms (they offer domain hosting right?) DNS?
I know I need to use something like:

bla.bla.kg NS ns1.netfirms.com
bla.bla.kg NS 216.32.198.6
bla.bla.kg NS ns2.netfirms.com
bla.bla.kg NS 216.32.198.7

But I don't know if it's right. Any help would be nice!

[gyrbo]

I currently used:
www2.edu.kg NS ns1.netfirms.com
www2.edu.kg NS 216.32.198.6
www2.edu.kg NS ns2.netfirms.com
www2.edu.kg NS 216.32.198.7

Is this OK? Well, if not I will see.

[gyrbo]

After reading some files, I came up with this:


www2.edu.kg A 216.32.198.6
www2.edu.kg NS ns2.netfirms.com
www2.edu.kg A 216.32.198.7
www2.edu.kg NS ns1.netfirms.com

Let's hope this works.

[dony]

gyrbo do you want to redirect them or other thing.
didnt understand.
why?arent this works?
NS1.NETFIRMS.COM 216.32.198.6
NS2.NETFIRMS.COM 216.32.198.7

[gyrbo]

No, I don't want to redirect, just use everydns.net so if I want to change hosts, it goes fatser then a week. And yes, those things need to be inserted in the DNS, just need to figure out a way how.

[Chicken]

I'm not certain as to what you are trying to accomplish, I'm also not certain you know what you are trying to accomplish, but I'll try to help...

From what you've posted, www2.edu.kg = blah.blah.kg ??? Is that your domain? Even if not, if it is yourname.anameyoudon'tcontrol.kg - most likely you will not be able to do what you want with the domain.

It would seem that you'd have to have control of edu.kg's zone file in order to set up the www2 to point to an IP. I'm guessing you do not have this control. Unless I am mistaken, your 'domain' is actually *not* a top level domain and the only way you'll be able to control anything is at the place you got the domain.

[gyrbo]

Well, as I have full control over my domain name, I thought this would be possible. :(
Is there any way or service that allows me to re-point DNS? like
www2.edu.kg -> ns1.provider.com ns2.provider.com -> ns1.netfirms.com ns2.netfirms.com ?
I really need this because I'm not settled with the hosting yet. And (as I said before) domain.kg takes verry long to change dns.

[Chicken]

Ok, let's go about this another way. you say you have full control over your domain, and I have no knowledge of .kg, nor any reason to doubt you. Can you go to the place where you registered your domain and change the nameservers associated with your domain?

ie:
ns1.something.com
ns2.something.com

?

[gyrbo]

yep, that's how I pointed the ns servers to everydns.

[Chicken]

Ok, from there you have control over your domain. Now you've gone to easydns and set up an account, correct? You've entered in your domain as www2.edu.kg correct?

What you need from netfirms is the IP address that was used for your domain there. It might be a shared or dedicated IP, doesn't matter, but you will need it to set up A Records for the domain at easydns.

You'd then create an A Record for www2.edu.kg:

www2.edu.kg A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

(with x being the IP of course)

Mail would be MX and I'm not sure how netfirms handles mail.

[gyrbo]

That part I know, but isn't there a way with the NS records? What is the use of these? BTW the IP is 216.32.198.21 if anyone is interested.

[Chicken]

I guess I'm lost. What exactly are you trying to do? I thought it was direct your name to your host? "just use everydns.net..."

You have full control over your domain, but only in terms of DNS. I'm not sure what else you want? From here, you can direct, setup, etc., anything, but it also must be set up the server you are pointing everything to.

[gyrbo]

Well, I'm still trying to find the use of those NS records. What is their point of existance?

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Chicken
Ok, from there you have control over your domain. Now you've gone to easydns and set up an account, correct? You've entered in your domain as www2.edu.kg correct?

What you need from netfirms is the IP address that was used for your domain there. It might be a shared or dedicated IP, doesn't matter, but you will need it to set up A Records for the domain at easydns.

You'd then create an A Record for www2.edu.kg:

www2.edu.kg A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

(with x being the IP of course)

Mail would be MX and I'm not sure how netfirms handles mail.

Ah! Chicken after months and months of searching I think I found a ray of hope in your post. First here are the details

1. I have a domain something.com
2. I'm hosted with a provider using virtual hosting i.e. everybody shares a particular IP address. XXX.XX.XXX.XXX
3. My domain is currently pointed to ns.hostprovider.com and ns1.hostprovider.com

Now my questions

Can I change the nameservers of my domain to zoneedit or any other service like that and point my domain to the IP address to my host? Will it work that way? Is this possible to do it with an A record? What is an A record used for? What is the difference b/w an A record and a CNAME? Any help will be appreciated.

[meow]

This is very confusing because the same terms are used for different things. Like "point" can mean both the real thing and redirection. Or at least is used in both sentenses.:(

[LastActionHero]

are you referring to my post?

[meow]

Huh? :confused:

[LastActionHero]

Which post is confusing? My post or Gyrbo's?

[meow]

The _t_e_r_m_i_n_o_l_o_g_y_ is unclear. :confused2

[LastActionHero]

Ask Chicken then :p

[meow]

Oh, I see! :o Sorry. I wrote "sentenses". That was to be "senses", not "sentences". 'The word can be used in both senses'. Confusing... Oh, the shame...:o

[Chicken]

Originally posted by gyrbo
Well, I'm still trying to find the use of those NS records. What is their point of existance?

Ok, maybe an example will help you more, you'd just enter the nameservers you are using to control the domain...



hosthideout.com IN NS ns2.spacechicken.com 86400s (1d)
hosthideout.com IN NS ns1.spacechicken.com 86400s (1d)
hosthideout.com IN A 216.234.160.227 3600s (1h)
hosthideout.com IN SOA server: ns1.tera-byte.com
email: hostmaster@tera-byte.com
serial: 2001020803
refresh: 3600
retry: 900
expire: 3600000
minimum ttl: 3600
3600s (1h)
160.234.216.in-addr.arpa IN SOA server: tera-byte.com
email: hostmaster@tera-byte.com
serial: 2001041901
refresh: 3600
retry: 900
expire: 3600000
minimum ttl: 3600
3600s (1h)



After posting, I realized that not everything lined up nice and pretty as it was supposed to, but it is close enough to get an idea. I don't list MX for this domain, but suggest that you should for yours...

[Chicken]

Originally posted by LastActionHero


Ah! Chicken after months and months of searching I think I found a ray of hope in your post. First here are the details

1. I have a domain something.com
2. I'm hosted with a provider using virtual hosting i.e. everybody shares a particular IP address. XXX.XX.XXX.XXX
3. My domain is currently pointed to ns.hostprovider.com and ns1.hostprovider.com

Now my questions

Can I change the nameservers of my domain to zoneedit or any other service like that and point my domain to the IP address to my host? Will it work that way? Is this possible to do it with an A record? What is an A record used for? What is the difference b/w an A record and a CNAME? Any help will be appreciated.

Yes, you can change the nameservers of your domain to zoneedit and from there point it to the IP that your domain is on and all will be well. If you post your domain, I'll post what it is now and maybe you can use that as a guide when setting up yours. Certain things will have to be changed obviously, but as I said... as a guide.

You would point the domain and the 'www' of a domain to an IP via an A Record, yes. A CNAME is used for something like this:

www.domain.com > www.otherdomain.com

I've only used it for everyone.net mail and generally, you should set up A Records for subdomains.

[gyrbo]

Sorry to both you again, but where is a SOA record for?

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Chicken


Yes, you can change the nameservers of your domain to zoneedit and from there point it to the IP that your domain is on and all will be well. If you post your domain, I'll post what it is now and maybe you can use that as a guide when setting up yours. Certain things will have to be changed obviously, but as I said... as a guide.

You would point the domain and the 'www' of a domain to an IP via an A Record, yes. A CNAME is used for something like this:

www.domain.com > www.otherdomain.com

I've only used it for everyone.net mail and generally, you should set up A Records for subdomains.

OK my domain is merazone.com. tell me all :)

[Chicken]

Originally posted by gyrbo
Sorry to both you again, but where is a SOA record for?

Start of Authority (SOA) Resource Record:
A type of record used in the distributed database that is the Domain Name System (DNS) to indicate that a particular name server contains authoritative data for a particular domain.

[Chicken]

Originally posted by LastActionHero
my domain is merazone.com. tell me all :)

The only thing that came up are the nameservers associated with the domain:
NS1.DIRECTORIS.COM 62.232.63.226
NS2.DIRECTORIS.COM 62.232.63.227

DNS query timed out.

[LastActionHero]

Here is DNS records

DNS records
name class type data time to live
merazone.com IN NS ns1.directoris.com 86400s (1d)
merazone.com IN NS ns2.directoris.com 86400s (1d)
merazone.com IN A 195.10.228.132 86400s (1d)
merazone.com IN MX preference: 0
exchange: server6.donhost.co.uk
86400s (1d)
merazone.com IN SOA server: ns1.donhost.co.uk
email: hostmaster@donhost.co.uk
serial: 2001210301
refresh: 28800
retry: 7200
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 86400
86400s (1d)
132.228.10.195.in-addr.arpa IN PTR server6.donhost.co.uk 86399s (23h 59m 59s)
228.10.195.in-addr.arpa IN SOA server: ns1.gemsoft.net
email: hostmaster@gemsoft.net
serial: 2001062101
refresh: 28800
retry: 7200
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 86400
86400s (1d)

-- end --

Now what do I have to do to point my domain to zonedit(nameservers) and then point to my host so that my domain loads up properly. How does this work even on a shared ip?

[Chicken]

The domain and the DNS query still times out for me, so I don't know if there's a problem, but whatever is set up doesn't work. Ignoring that, and answering your question...

Change nameservers at registrar from ns1.directoris.com & ns2.directoris.com to zoneedit's nameservers, and basically just copy that info you have above (though it doesn't work as I've said, so it won't work if you do it).

It works on shared IP due to the server (that the domain is set up on and hosted) redirecting the domain further (based on name, term is 'name based hosting').

[LastActionHero]

the DNS is not working now because my host if moving to a new place and it will take time to propagate. I didn't get the part after changing name servers. How do I copy the info? You mean the MX records and the NS records and the IN records? etc etc..?

[Chicken]

yes, the info such as:

merazone.com IN A 195.10.228.132

would be the same. I don't know why this is missing, but you should also have:

www IN A 195.10.228.132

This wold have to be set up on the server as well (alias the domain), yadday yadda...

[LastActionHero]

Thanks Chicken :)

I'll try this on one of my domains which I'm not using currently.

[Chicken]

just realize that once you point it to an IP address (a server), whether it is a dedicated IP or a shared IP, it *must* be set up on the server as well.

[LastActionHero]

yes it is already setup on the server and it works like a charm . Thanks Chicken.

[Chicken]

No problem, glad it all worked.