Kiddie Hosts, and their oversold resellers!

[GZSO]

well i'm a "kiddie host" and i've gotta say that not all of 'em are that bad.

sry if you guys have posted whatever up there, i'm in kind of a rush and dont have time to read all the posts ><

but some kiddie hosts have good resellers and offer good hosting and plans. its just there's a handful of 'em that suck at it and should stop trying.

just my 2 cents

[Tree]

Of course you're going to say that.

Kiddie host == "No Good"

It hurts their clients, it hurts them, it hurts their friends and family, etc. Just not a good situation

[HostFrog]

Hosting providers that can not supply the support demand, the advertisement that a company obviously needs to succeed, etc are ruining the industry as a whole, that is why there are few very BIG providers in the market now. Free hosting solutions are more appealing to consumers just for the fact that if they are going to get crappy service and support, why not get it without spending a dime.

[AvailNetworks]

this is one of the best reasons to use this http://freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2159381

also you can disable overselling yes, I have mixed feelings on this, I still allow resellers to oversell. Also on our reseller plans we limit the number of accounts the client can create depending on the plan level. I am not going to lie I don't have alot of resellers but the ones I do have I know are going to hang out for quite sometime and are going to be very pleased with the service they receive, and when it is time for them to go dedicated I know who they are going to buy from

Ok, i'm giving my review here:

about a week ago, i set a reseller up on one of my VPS servers, this reseller was for: 10GB Diskspace, 100GB Bandwidth.

Guess what? I checked the account yesterday and found that there was 19 1GB diskspace and 10 GB bandwidth accounts on it.

Hold on a min... This means that he has already nearly gone over twice as much as he should, and with him coming up to 75% bandwidth usage it's a little worrying. I emailed him yesterday and he replyed with something about he cant afford to give any more money as he is not even making enought to cover the costs of the reseller.

WTF?

I sold the reseller to him for $13.65/month and if he has not made enought to cover the costs he must be selling for under $1 for 1 GB Disk and 10 GB Band

After further inspection on his site, i found him to be selling these accounts for $0.50/month if you order 6+ months in advance.

Today, his account reached 100% bandwidth usage, and i terminated it. Guess what? I have got 32 "hatefull" emails for his customers asking why there hosting was canceled saying they payed $3 (some even $6) for hosting (for 6 and 12 months!) they asked for refunds, telling me they would hack my server if i didant give them it...

I'm pissed at these kiddy hosts... they oversell WAY too much and then disapear!

[Tree]

I phone verify any reseller orders and ask for the person who the account was ordered in. If they sound younger than 17, I disable overselling.

[Galaxy-Hosts.com]

I just wanted to set the record straight on one thing. Not all reseller hosts are bad. I have a few that are good hosts, they just dont have the money to buy a dedicated server now. At one point I started with a reseller, then I got a p4 server, and now I have have a couple dual xeons I use for hosting. Everyone has to start somewhere, and as long as they have a good business plan and good ethics they will go along way. They cant afford their own servers yet, but then most of us cant sfford our own data centers. You start with what you can afford and maybe someday you will be able to have your own server, or even your own data center. That said many hosts, and alot of them are owned by kids, dont have a good business plan and arent good hosts. I dont think they are doing anyone any favors, but they wont be around long and their customers will be looking for a reliable service. Thats where the good hosts can cfind their best customers that will appreciate and pay for the service.

[Tree]

I agree. Resellers are not inherently bad. But they do have a bad reputation as of late.

I think everyone started out with a reseller, and then moved to a VPS, then maybe a SDS, then a DS.

Google started with one algorithm.

[HostFrog]

I just wanted to set the record straight on one thing. Not all reseller hosts are bad.

Your right not all are bad. However, most consumers who know anything about scalability would much rather go directly to the source.

I have a few that are good hosts, they just dont have the money to buy a dedicated server now.

Individuals looking to get into the hosting industry should start off with a reseller anyway. Alway crawl before you walk, this way you build up customer base, and at a rate which you can handle. Honestly if you don't have money to purchase a dedicated server though, they are in the wrong industry. To make money you need to spend, and if they don't have the money to spend for a dedicated box, then how will they advertise to their target markets?

They cant afford their own servers yet, but then most of us cant sfford our own data centers.

You are comparing apples to oranges here. Running a datacenter, and managing a dedicated server are two different things, in two different price brackets. Your comparing a solution that costs in upwords of $200-300 per month against running a dc which can cost close to 100K each month.

You start with what you can afford and maybe someday you will be able to have your own server, or even your own data center.

If you don't have money to spend, then you will not make any. You need to advertise, promote, pay bills, etc. If you start with no money, you will end with no money....very simple.

That said many hosts, and alot of them are owned by kids, dont have a good business plan and arent good hosts.

Agree 100%

Didn't mean to break your post down to size, but just had to say that.

[T^2]

Just wanted to rant about this:

Advertisements are SOOOO expensive! We spend approx. 350 CAD/month for a print ad in a computer magazine and another tech magazine, both local. And then like another 100 CAD/month on online ads.

SO EXPENSIVE FOR ADVERTISEMENT and so hard to penetrate the market.

Okay, sorry. I just had to say that heh.

[ingfina]

I get P4 2.4gHz at The Planet with Yipes or HE bandwidth for $120 with cPanel, at a very stable provider. So if you know where to look, and who to trust, you can find the good servers.

Jose?

10 now

[build-a-host]

I agree that everyone should start small, and most of them do, nothing wrong with that at all. I started with a reseller account a long time ago and ran the whole thing by myself (200 or so clients at that time), but working 16 hours a day, 7 days a week burnt me out quick!
So this time I started with a dedicated server, and hired a support staff. I lost a good bit of money at the start, but having a server that has very low load and memory usage, and a support staff available 24x7 has paid off. AND NO THIS IS NOT A PLUG FOR My-E-Space, just stateing what I did, and what worked for me.
As someone above mentioned, you have to spend money to make money! And the more you put into it, the more you get back.
Would be nice if all of us that have our own servers would not allow overselling. This would cut off the scam hosts from offering 1gb/100gb for $1! This isnt possible, but would be nice!

[Galaxy-Hosts.com]

I know owning a data center and leasing a server is comparing apples to oranges, but I was making a point. The point I was making is that while we all have big dreams we start with what we can afford and build from there.

[rohitj]

Regarding the prices that people are paying, some of you should seriously consider colocating instead of bragging about the quality of the datacenters you're renting from right now. You basically have no control over your network and hardware.

If you have the funds, buy quality servers from dell and colocate them. In the long run, this will save you a lot of money. And more importantly, Instead of having to rely on the datacenters techs to do things right, you are in full control of virtually every aspect of your business. You know the other people in your cabinet, in your cage, and even in your datacenter. And at the end of the day, as you grow, you can take full advantage of economies of scale.

[build-a-host]

Regardless if it's a server you lease from a datacenter, or a server that you colocated, you STILL have to rely on the techs at the datacenter to keep your server up and running. Unless of course, you live next to the datacenter that your server is colocated at, and you can run over and work on it yourself, or login via SSH and fix it. So whats the advantage?
I looked around about colocating, and I dont see that it would be any cheaper since you still have to pay an average of about $200 a month (atleast) for the connection and rack space.

[Paul]

Im 15 I own host and 3 other sucessful websites. I just paid $125 for support/billing system and am soon hoping to buy a forum licence. I have 15 clients and are very happy with my service. The difference that makes between a kiddy host "If I fall into that catagory" is that they do it on the cheap, skipping vital needs like a proper support/billing system. Then they start to get to the stage that they are deprate and start selling as cheap as chips. I know a few 'kiddie hosts' that I used in the upbringing of my websites and their is no way I can match it with mine. You need to look for a trusted host that if they have a forum it should have a few posts behind it. Also check to see if their paypal account is varified. Remeber that small hosts can provide better support services than the big hosts because they have less emails (maby not tickets) so dont always judge a host by its support.

*Suggestion*

to have a hosting feedback forum on FWS so people can read reviews about webhosts and post comments about it

Regards,
Paul Buckley

http://zx4host.com