New Hosting offer idea , please comment

[The Crasher]

hi
i was wondering what you think of this idea

i am always looking for new projects and i got a nice idea

a 1X fee paid hosting

before complaining , let me explain it first

basicly i want to offer a kinda freehosting but with paid quality
so the 1X fee package will be a small package that is limited on certain things
it is more like a trial package , so the users can upgrade any time they like to the paid packages for more specs

let me explain the spects and feel free to suggest new options and what you like of this idea

unlike other 1X fee paid hosts this will not be a scam , a wasted server or whatever that destroys the quality because those packages will be located on the same server as the paid packages with the same quality as the paid packages only limited on a few other things

• space = 250 mb
• traffic = 25 GB
• mysql = 1
• emails = 1
• addons/subs = 0
• cgi allowed
• emails = 100 per hour (no upgrade possible)
• mysql max current connection = 5
• Price = 5€ 1X for lifetime

thats so far the specs i got in mind

feel free to make other suggestions or changes
but keep in mind , it is the point to be the lowest package and that users should upgrade later on if they need some "bigger resources" , so the small websites got a space to stay , and that once the website grow you still got space to expand

unlike other hosts i do not like that my resources get abused , for that reason there are less limits per higher package , a example is the mysql connection limit , free/trial got a limit of 5 , premium = 15 extreme = 30 and ultimate = 45

same tos apply for free as for premium ( or to say it short , as long there is no abuse report you got not mutch to worry , exept if abusing my server resources )

on that way i can keep quality for both users , are users safe that this is not a overloaded server , and can i start a new project to see how it goes

please let me know your idea's before i will even start with this
if the idea is good then it will be up and running in a few days ( probaly at end of this week) , if it is not good then just forget this project and i think about a other project

please note , should this project failt for 1 of other reason , the existing clients will keep his current package , so it is riskfree basicly

Greetings From PowerChaos

[wswd]

Not sure why you feel you needed to start a new thread on this, since the other one was rolling pretty well, but...

It is a scam! There is no way to sustain a one-time-pay host forever, as I explained in the other thread. It is possible to sustain it for years, absolutely, and I even gave you specific figures. But saying that the hosting will last forever is just a silly notion. Overloading the server or not has absolutely nothing to do with the equation. Unless you own the equipment and datacenter, it's going to cost money every month to run the server.

[The Crasher]

before we get to confused about things ...

i am the owner of dehost and powerchaos company (dehost is part of the company .. ) , i know that my co owner is promoting stuff , because that is his job to do

it is my job to keep everything alive and to keep quality over everything and to make sure that every1 is happy ( also called tech department ) together with my staff

please read my post again before giving this kind of comment

i OWN a PAID hosting (dehost.org)
i OWN VPS servers (dehost.org)
i OWN Dedicated servers ( getadedi.com , dehost.org)
i OWN datacenters (in antwerp and germany) (antwerpdc.be for more info about belguim dc )
i even know friends of me who are working in a datacenter (so just a single call and i can get everyhting back online in less then 15 min if something terible happends... )

so do you think i care about those few "extra" clients that are hosted on the server ??

do you think i care about placing a "extra" server ??

i care about 1 thing only and that is quality , so no ... my servers wont be overloaded by ddos attacks , no it wont be overloaded by 700 accounts , and no it wont be overloaded and capped to a 10mbit line because you think i do ??

thats why it is a PROJECT , its something i want to try and where i like to have comment on , comment about prices , comment about limits ,comment about anything else that can make a final desison to do it or not

difference betwean me and others , i got everything i need , i earn my money with my services so wasting a server to host lifetime is just a little bit of extra costs ... but i got other ways to earn that "loss" back

hopely you understand my question now ?
and why i can make sure that i can provide what i offer ??

Greetings From PowerChaos
ps: sorry for partial links , its just to point what i own

[wswd]

It doesn't matter what you own. I own dedicated servers too, but it still costs me money every month to run them. If I put 100 clients on a server today, and ask them to pay a one-time $20, the server costs are going to be covered for a few years. But what happens in 5 years? What happens in 10 years? How about 20?

One-time pay hosts CANNOT last forever, unless the owner foots the bill forever. Eventually, the money to cover the server costs is going to run out, regardless if the server is overloaded or not.

[The Crasher]

i agree on that part
but that has nothing to do with this part
if it will come that far that you stay for 50 years at the same host with the same domain with the same ( small limited) package ??

my point is not to keep lifetime memberships ( check packages)

let me explain it quick and easy

250 mb space
25GB traffic

10GB space
300GB traffic

if you see the difference , then you should understand to that my point is to provide a service but that i want them to upgrade to a montly package
for the users who last longer then XX years ( in case i should quit ) then i can always provide a refund ... (refund is a legal way to shut down a service)
that means that they where hosted for free

it all depends how you look at it and how you like to do it
nothing last forever , but for everything is a solution

for me i just need to know the downside/upside of what i offer , not what it is done in general
if i wanted to talk about stuff in general then i was staying at the other post

anyway
to get back to the point
i just need to know about the prices , in your case i would say 5€ 1X fee for as long i can keep the server alive ... ?
i just like the know the general intrests about a package , not about the system
i take care of the system on my own way and i take care of the problem on my own way

beside , here is a little secret
lifetime = 25 years by law

Greetings From PowerChaos

[wswd]

lifetime = 25 years by law

Not in my country.

You're definitely making more sense with the upgrades. As far as the cost, 5€ is pretty cheap. Here are my figures from the other thread:

If you cram 500 people onto a server, for example, and charge them a one-time $25 fee, you can run a $200/mo. leased server for 5 years.

Let's change it around a little bit. If you charge $5 and limit it to say 100 clients, the server will only pay for itself for a few months.

If you are going to severely limit the offering for the one-time-pay plans, there isn't going to be much incentive for people to go with that, as opposed to say a completely free host. 250mb is extremely small, even by free hosting standards. For $25, as I mention above, you can still offer very decent plans without overselling, without overloading the server, and sustain things for a while.

[The Crasher]

Thank you

can you now suggest a few more suitable packages ?? or a few limits , a few value's ?

because freehosting packages if about 5 years ago for me , so i got no clue what pacakges sounds good but still "force" a user to upgrade if a site get populated

i need to keep a few things in mind , its not my point that they will be able to abuse the one time package , but on the other side it should look intresting as a starter/trial package

that is why i made this tread for , to provide suggestions , to start discusions about the limits
what sounds like good limits , what sounds like bad limits , what sounds like freehost stuff ? what stuff sounds intrested to pay for and what sounds like totaly rip off ( so a freehost is better ?)

as soon i got enouf information about those stuff then i can compose final packages , this is still in "alpha" phase as it is just a idea

Thank you
Greetings From PowerChaos

[wswd]

Are you trying to make money from this, or just pay for the equipment? I understand that profit would come from upgrades mainly.

If you are just looking to sustain the server, you can deploy a decent server with RAID-10, etc., for probably around $300/mo. You'd have around 1TB of free space and 5-10TB of bandwidth...at least with the datacenters I deal with. Divide that up, go with a nice number of clients on the server, say 500, and divide up the resources. 1TB is going to get you around 2GB of space per user, and 5TB of bandwidth would be around 10GB of bandwidth. It's a very entry-level shared hosting plan.

If those $500 pay $20, you would have $10,000. That would cover the server cost (no profit) for around 3 years, and would not involve any overselling of disk space or bandwidth. You can of course add a little overselling, if you're into that, and increase the plans further.

[gotlinks]

I do not think it is much possible to own your own vps/server...unless you have the right eqipment to run
very expensive high speed data lines into your home. stuff like vps and servers are in datacenters, and people
rent vps, servers, etc.., and datacenters cost money...

This guy says he owns everything, including datacenters...

by his newbie looking ignorance post, he does not own what he brags about...

he comes on here acting like he is some hotshot asking really dumb questions....

Its almost like a millionaire asking me how to make money...

if he has all of this stuff, then certainly he would have the experience to know what he is doing...

and if you know what you doing, then you do not ask dumb/lame questions....

[The Crasher]

I do not think it is much possible to own your own vps/server...unless you have the right eqipment to run
very expensive high speed data lines into your home. stuff like vps and servers are in datacenters, and people
rent vps, servers, etc.., and datacenters cost money...

This guy says he owns everything, including datacenters...

by his newbie looking ignorance post, he does not own what he brags about...

he comes on here acting like he is some hotshot asking really dumb questions....

Its almost like a millionaire asking me how to make money...

if he has all of this stuff, then certainly he would have the experience to know what he is doing...

and if you know what you doing, then you do not ask dumb/lame questions....

i am skilled enouf in hardware/software
but that does not mean that i know what packages i can provide to the public or do you know what streaming package i can offer to the public ?? what dedicated server spects i can offer to the public , what kind of vps servers i can offer to the public ?? what kind of vps software you need to use to provide optimal quality , what systems to use to keep a good uptime ?
because i know all above things and i wanna bet that you do not even can answer the first question

if you think that i am a noob, then feel free to think it
with owning a datacenter i mean that got got 24/7 acces to a datacenter , know the boss of the datacenter , know the staff of the datacenter and knows a lot more of that datacenter then you ever will know ( its good to know the right persones) and that i got my own servers there
owning hardware does not mean that i need to place it at my own home ( beside i got a 100mbit line at my home o.O) but that you paid for your computer/hardware
that you paid for everything and that you are using colocation in a datacenter (so far i am a noob .. atleast for you )

if i need to continue to break down your post , feel free to ask

anyway it doesnt mather what you think about me , but i can promise you that i got more skills then mosts hosts here

to get back ontopic
so 2GB should be a good package for freehosting with 25GB traffic
then i am more thinking about 1GB to prevent abusing , and 25GB Traffic

why 1GB ? because it seems enouf space to take a backup , to store some info , and to prevent abusing of big files

why 25GB traffic , so users that got a big site or still like to abuse the 1GB space then they got limited by the traffic (so they still need to upgrade )

so 250 mb space is just way to less those days , and 2GB seems a bit mutch for a one time payment (you can do a lot with it )

Thank you for your reply's and support
more comments are welcome

Greetings From PowerChaos

[sander k]

As long as the "one time fee" packages are very small this might work, if people can upgrade with paid per month plans when their website(s) grow.

I think you need to have a pretty good reputation on FWS (or any where else) to make this work tho. As every knows that one time fee hosts are uselly scammers.

[CS Squad]

Actually it is better if offering very very small size hosting plans that customers pay for... lets say 5 years or 10 years.
Of course,the price must not be that cheap also, at least similar with normal hosting annual price x5 or something...

[The Crasher]

Actually it is better if offering very very small size hosting plans that customers pay for... lets say 5 years or 10 years.
Of course,the price must not be that cheap also, at least similar with normal hosting annual price x5 or something...

it would be nice to provide some examples so i can visualise the meaning of "small" packages

i know a few hosts that sell 50mb for 1€ per year , i know hosts that sell unlimited for 1€ per year , i know freehosts that limits everything but offer you 50GB space ...
it is to difficult for me to deside what are small packages

if you take a look at my packages , for me they are small packages ( 10GB space is nothing .. i easy fill it up )
300GB traffic is nothing , i used to use around 5TB traffic per month with 1 site ( ipboys but that is a differend story )

i hear story's from my friend who do a lot of hosting and just use 1mbit ( 320GB ) of traffic for his 50 clients
first time i talked to him to make deals he was thinking that i was crazy because the traffic usage that my server got (your kidding me ... 3TB traffic for a few sites ? )

so all those things makes it complicated for me to deside what is "small" and what is big

same for the price , i calculate my price on differend spects , i do not want to ask to mutch ( what is to mutch ) or to less (still got costs i need to pay )

so before i can even calculate a price i need to spend about 4 hours calculating to gain a possible price ( not tweaked yet to my needs , final price mostly take 3 days and even then )

that is why i ask for examples , provide me price examples and packages , show what is mutch , show what is less
show what seems a nice price , show what seems oversold

so far i know from the post that 5€ for 1GB and 25GB traffic is nothing

so what price does seems to fit for that package ? or what package seems to fit for 5€ ?

i want to do this to support the community , to help other users who can not affort to pay montly but still like to have quality (better quality then a freehost , feeling of a paid host but still limited like a freehost)

if i need to follow what you say csSquad , then my price should be 150€ 1X fee for that package ? ( as 30€ is my cheapest yearly package X 5 = 150€ )
that sounds a bit expensive to me

keep in mind that 1€ != 1$ , 1€ = +- 1.5$ , 2€ = +- 3$ , so 5€ is around 7.5$

the point of this post is to get some value's , to get prices , to get packages and to build the perfect package

keep in mind that the user should upgrade if he got a populated site
so it becomes a kinda freehost with premium options

Greetings From PowerChaos

[CS Squad]

Not sure if my suggestion can be acceptable or not.
But I think it is best to only offer specs/price as below:
1GB Space
10GB Bandwidth
$40 or $50 for 5 years.

[kjuzhe]

I don't think that this will go well, because after a while you wouldn't have any income except from new users, but in other hand it's worth to try And didn't you think about that someone has already had the same idea and realised it but it didn't go well? But definetly worth a try