This was hilarious, I had to post - You will cry from laughing so hard

[Meksilon]

I don't really think you understand what everyone here means. We have no issue with unmetered as long as there is a limit (such as port speed) defined. But unlimited is literally impossible.

It doesn't say "unlimited speed" nor "unlimited file size", and it clearly states that once a site gets big enough they put in in-line advertising (similar to what you see on the main FWS website). Personally I find inline advertising far more intrusive than banner or text ads, although you can disable them by disabling javascript. Inline advertising companies generally don't allow other advertising and won't accept sites that don't contain enough B/W, so their policy is actually to appease the inline ad company.

Of course there are limits, but so to is there a limit as to how fast a website can possibly "grow"; even if it goes "viral" like wikipedia. The fact is, as a source of income for the hosting company, and that income increases with website size, it is in their best interests to keep the website functioning no matter how "big" it gets. If you're going to have advertising on free websites, the last thing you would ever want to do as a host is limit bandwidth because essentially you're tossing money down the toilet if the ads don't run.

With the file-size a simple 2MB limit forces users to do some size optimization towards their images, etc, which really they should do anyway but many don't. Without this limit you get free sites that can use bitmap-sized images, etc, and eat up B/W unnecessarily. [offtopic] Something I've said before is the best colour quantization tool I've ever found is xPadie. I actually can't belive it's such an unkown tool knowing how much better it is than anything else at what it does. Direct link to the most recent version (2002) that I know about is: http://www.anime.net/~sasami/ura/xpadiepro13.zip And you want to know what? It's open-source, so anyone could have copied the code into photoshop, or any other program, or made plugin. The source isn't in that zip file, but i can upload the source to a previous version if you want it. [/offtopic]

We can agree to disagree.

[Tyler]

It doesn't say "unlimited speed" nor "unlimited file size", and it clearly states that once a site gets big enough they put in in-line advertising (similar to what you see on the main FWS website). Personally I find inline advertising far more intrusive than banner or text ads, although you can disable them by disabling javascript. Inline advertising companies generally don't allow other advertising and won't accept sites that don't contain enough B/W, so their policy is actually to appease the inline ad company.

Of course there are limits, but so to is there a limit as to how fast a website can possibly "grow"; even if it goes "viral" like wikipedia. The fact is, as a source of income for the hosting company, and that income increases with website size, it is in their best interests to keep the website functioning no matter how "big" it gets. If you're going to have advertising on free websites, the last thing you would ever want to do as a host is limit bandwidth because essentially you're tossing money down the toilet if the ads don't run.

With the file-size a simple 2MB limit forces users to do some size optimization towards their images, etc, which really they should do anyway but many don't. Without this limit you get free sites that can use bitmap-sized images, etc, and eat up B/W unnecessarily. [offtopic] Something I've said before is the best colour quantization tool I've ever found is xPadie. I actually can't belive it's such an unkown tool knowing how much better it is than anything else at what it does. Direct link to the most recent version (2002) that I know about is: http://www.anime.net/~sasami/ura/xpadiepro13.zip And you want to know what? It's open-source, so anyone could have copied the code into photoshop, or any other program, or made plugin. The source isn't in that zip file, but i can upload the source to a previous version if you want it. [/offtopic]

We can agree to disagree.

I think you're talking about another site now.

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/a...0&d=1334070690

That most definitely says "Unlimited disk space! Unlimited bandwidth!".

[Seraphim]

It's one thing for a host to knowingly raise their account limits in order to allow the growth of a site that has been doing well and turning a good profit- I've done this for a few of my clients now where they are putting the bandwidth to good use and making money with it, so I allow them as much as 5x their plan's normal bandwidth quota because they've proven that they'll make money for me with it.

It is another to advertise an unlimited capability knowing full well the server behind it is of finite value.

Yes you could just buy a bigger server if you are making a profit from all this, but that relies on the assumption that you can afford a larger server before your resources run out.

And because of the high abuse rates all-unlimited hosting offers tend to attract, more often than not they run out of resources without turning enough profit to expand.

[wswd]

Yes you could just buy a bigger server if you are making a profit from all this, but that relies on the assumption that you can afford a larger server before your resources run out.

It's not just a matter of affording a larger server. In terms of disk space, for example, the common argument amongst the "unlimited" crowd is that you can just add more hard drives. You sure can (though it's still a a limit), but if a host selling "unlimited" plans for $3/mo. are they really going to keep buying $250 hard drives for that $3 client, so that he can host an "unlimited" amount of data?

The fact of the matter is that "unlimited" is a scam, and just like the cell phone companies, the hosts offering such should have their pants sued off of them. Ever wonder why Verizon and AT&T (in the US) don't offer unlimited data plans on their cell phones or Internet devices? They lost several major lawsuits and had to pay millions of dollars to clients, because the judge found basically that "unlimited" is a huge scam.

[WO Mark]

What's wrong with unlimited? It does exist! I had a bottomless drink from Nando's today.. it never stopped!

Seriously now, I hate these unlimited hosts - it makes me laugh when they are paid hosts stating unlimited, let alone free

[CS Squad]

What's wrong with unlimited? It does exist! I had a bottomless drink from Nando's today.. it never stopped!

Seriously now, I hate these unlimited hosts - it makes me laugh when they are paid hosts stating unlimited, let alone free

I used to spend whole night time at McD, ordered a coke, and keeps request for free refill and stay online there.
But still, the coke is not unlimited, coz I drink until stomachache and eventually, I have to rush to toilet. And at that point, I found that no matter how unlimited it is, there is always a limit in everything.

[Seraphim]

What's wrong with unlimited? It does exist! I had a bottomless drink from Nando's today.. it never stopped!

Seriously now, I hate these unlimited hosts - it makes me laugh when they are paid hosts stating unlimited, let alone free

The restaurant still has a finite quantity of ingredients on hand, they would have to call for a truck to get more and usually this takes a day or two to happen.

In the case of something food-related though, the customer will always get sick of the product long before the restaurant actually runs out of ingredients unless it is poorly managed and they are short-stocked to begin with.

Also, to point out a glaring flaw with unlimited schemes:

No it's not. If it's Free hosting, they could just set the file-size limit to 2mb, limit file-types and put advertising. Then any site big enough to use say 50gb in space and 5000gb in bandwidth is making them a killing in ad revenue, if you were the host do you think you would suddenly want to limit the size of the website rather than buy another server for it so it keeps making you money?

That's two limitations in order to make just one "unlimited" profitable. Not only that, but you can bet the server will be oversold as well because after all if a host is not going to advertise real limits on their service they certainly aren't going to respect their server's limits either as long as it is still standing. Which means overall site performance is going to suffer horribly when the company rams full steam into their capacity limits long before expecting to have to build another server. Ad revenue might be good if you are getting lots of traffic relative to your bandwidth- I know I actually make almost 4x more money for a given slice of resources from it's ad revenue than I would make selling it directly, but after seeing how poor the payouts actually are relative to the site traffic generating it, good luck buying a server using ad profits unless you already have more than half of the costs set aside from other sources.

[Meksilon]

The restaurant still has a finite quantity of ingredients on hand, they would have to call for a truck to get more and usually this takes a day or two to happen.

You can only ingest a finite amount before your blood thins and you'll need hospitalization, so yes it's "unlimited" in the sense it's "as much as you can drink".

That's two limitations in order to make just one "unlimited" profitable. Not only that, but you can bet the server will be oversold as well because after all if a host is not going to advertise real limits on their service they certainly aren't going to respect their server's limits either as long as it is still standing. Which means overall site performance is going to suffer horribly when the company rams full steam into their capacity limits long before expecting to have to build another server. Ad revenue might be good if you are getting lots of traffic relative to your bandwidth- I know I actually make almost 4x more money for a given slice of resources from it's ad revenue than I would make selling it directly, but after seeing how poor the payouts actually are relative to the site traffic generating it, good luck buying a server using ad profits unless you already have more than half of the costs set aside from other sources.

My points exaclty!

[binil]

Its not the term unlimited that got me laughibg..

Its this:

Consider this to be a replacement for T35, 110MB, Tripod, ---------, Byethost, YouHosting.com, and others!

And these guys are just byet resellers.. and they tell that they are hosted by fatcow...lol..

[HyperHosts]

I used to run a RPG game that required alot of files for the game client, I'd abuse these sort of free offers to host those files since I was always using alot of bandwidth and after so long my account would just get terminated haha, Probably cause of all the data I used within the week going more than there actual 'allocated' limit. However yeah, these sort of offers only get abused by 'noobs' who are like 'OMGZUNLIMITEDHOZT!'

[frewebhost]

unfortunately the newbie doesn't understand why they would pay for x amount of space resources when they can get unlimited so much cheaper in reality they will need to upgrade if the website they are running gets popular.