Reseller hosting using SSD drives

**JJW** · April 18th, 2012, 10:10

I have see now 960 gb ssd's they are $2699 but they exist

**wswd** · April 18th, 2012, 10:16

So an extra $1600 to run 4 of those in RAID-10, and even that would only provide around 175 usable gigabytes of space. So this company would be selling the entire RAID10 array's space (your 160GB) for $50/mo. (I know you're not paying $50 for the VPS, but that's just to make things easy). It would take them 3 years just to pay for the drives, and not any other aspect of the server, bandwidth, power, support services, staff, etc.

Do you really want me to believe that? You are going to tell me that these guys aren't making any money on these drives alone for 3-4 years? And that's using the $50 figure, which I know you aren't paying, and doesn't include the cost of the cPanel license, cost for the rest of the server, etc.

Ummmmm...no.

**wswd** · April 18th, 2012, 10:17

Originally Posted by JJW

I have see now 960 gb ssd's they are $2699 but they exist

Show me one company that you think is using 960GB SSD drives.

**JJW** · April 18th, 2012, 10:20

But at what point do you really call it overselling. Hard drive space is easy to oversell cause most people never reach the full amount they are given. The only people who normally use
all there space, are either storing video or large iso's. So on the average a provider does not have to worry about overselling space. If your running out, you add more.

**JJW** · April 18th, 2012, 10:22

Maybe there using the ever cheaper ssd+hdd combo drives? That would make it alot cheaper.

**wswd** · April 18th, 2012, 10:26

You call it overselling at ANY point. Sorry, but providers who oversell disk space, RAM, etc., are garbage, IMO. Clients should have the ability to use the entire product they are sold at any time, without having to wait for server upgrades, etc. Clients aren't paying for oversold crap.

When I buy a 16GB dedicated server with a 1TB hard drive and 5TB of bandwidth, I don't expect to get a 4GB server with a 250GB hard drive and 1TB of bandwidth in return, and be told by the dedicated company that they'll just upgrade my box if I ever come close to using their limits.

Companies who oversell are no better than the "unlimited" providers. It's all one and the same. If you're going to oversell your hard drive, why even bother calling it 160GB of space? Why not just call it 10TB of space, or unlimited space?

**wswd** · April 18th, 2012, 10:27

Originally Posted by JJW

Maybe there using the ever cheaper ssd+hdd combo drives? That would make it alot cheaper.

The SSD/magnetic hybrid drives? I would hope not, because those are complete junk.

**JJW** · April 18th, 2012, 10:35

my guess this is how they are doing it. is with the hybrid ssd's

**wswd** · April 18th, 2012, 10:42

Could be. Those just aren't good for the hosting environment...particularly when you have a lot of data. They can only cache so much.

**JJW** · April 18th, 2012, 10:44

they are probably using the momentus xt from seagate which is a decent hard drive from what i have read.

**wswd** · April 18th, 2012, 10:57

I've heard good things about them, but only on home computers, where you are regularly accessing the same data. They really aren't that good for servers, and you aren't supposed to use them in RAID setups (that's according to Seagate themselves) anyway, which would absolutely eliminate my using them. You've got to be using at least RAID1 in a production environment. I would never, ever run a server without some form of RAID.

**masterbo** · April 18th, 2012, 23:17

Originally Posted by JJW

I have a vps that we split out into 4 dedicated reseller accounts that we are selling for 12.95 a month ...

Does it use SSD?
I have found no references to SSD on the site.

Originally Posted by wswd

Masterbo, what criteria did you not meet, just out of curiosity?

It's a secret. They use 3-rd party anti-fraud service and followed its advice.
Looks like the only problem is my location.

**wswd** · April 19th, 2012, 03:23

Originally Posted by masterbo

It's a secret. They use 3-rd party anti-fraud service and followed its advice.
Looks like the only problem is my location.

Most hosts do, to prevent fraud and potential chargebacks.

I put together some figures for something like this and could potentially put a server together pretty reasonably. Could offer 20GB of disk space, 1TB of bandwidth, and a dedicated IP in the $20-30/mo. range. That would be with absolutely 0 overselling. Really not too bad, all things considered. Of course, you could probably make more profit offering that as a VPS instead of reseller hosting, but whatever.

**masterbo** · April 20th, 2012, 12:07

Originally Posted by wswd

Most hosts do, to prevent fraud and potential chargebacks.

It was the first case over many years when I was banned by anti-fraud system. Either it's too strict... or I have somehow offended it.

Originally Posted by wswd

I put together some figures for something like this and could potentially put a server together pretty reasonably. Could offer 20GB of disk space, 1TB of bandwidth, and a dedicated IP in the $20-30/mo. range. That would be with absolutely 0 overselling. Really not too bad, all things considered. Of course, you could probably make more profit offering that as a VPS instead of reseller hosting, but whatever.

I think that's not completely mad idea, price including. Especially if noticeable change in speed followed.

**wswd** · April 20th, 2012, 12:19

Originally Posted by masterbo

It was the first case over many years when I was banned by anti-fraud system. Either it's too strict... or I have somehow offended it.

Maxmind doesn't ban anyone permanently. I believe you said that's what was being used. Perhaps whatever host it was just had their settings way too high.