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    The issue is that micro soft screws up everything they get their paws into.
    I disagree. I have very few problems with any of my Microsoft products, and I'm very happy with how stable they are in general. It is quite true that they could be stabler and are not as stable as say Slackware and KDE products, but they are indeed not as bad as you make out.

    It really annoys me when people bash Microsoft for older products. Windows XP and Office XP are two wonderful programs, and everyone goes around bashing Microsoft for mistakes it made in 1997 with Windows 98. I know that I don't go around critisizing the older members of this board for stuff they said in 2000 and ignoring them because they were stupid n00bs once...that's 3 years, and isn't a software company. Software technology is a very fast-paced industry, and things change quickly - such as QC efforts and stability.

    Microsoft does not screw up everything they get their paws into. They do have things I don't agree with, such as the Paladium product line, but that doesn't make them hellbound evil people with bad products. I don't agree with everything CBS news seems to be OK with, but I don't have some kind of conspiracy theory about them.
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    I sincerely doubt Microsoft has any intent or wish to branch off to do Linux/UNIX development.

    As far as security goes: in my eyes if it's something an admin could not have prevented then it's a true exploit. If you're stupid enough to expose your SQL server to the whole of the internet by not using a firewall for instance then the first one to be blamed is the admin.

    Red Hat issued 15 security patches in the past 3 months of which some look rather critical to me.
    Microsoft issued a total of 8 security patches (ranging from low to critical) for Windows 2003 server and 10 for Windows 2000 Server in the past 3 months.

    Both OS' have plenty of security holes in them. The difference is that Microsoft is under extreme scrutiny while Linux patches are issued without much general publicity.

    As far as desktop security goes it's a battle they can't win because people will always complain. I can't count the number of people that have complained to me personally about the fact that Outlook Express 6 by default won't allow you to open "unsafe" attachment.
    I foresee an equal amount of discontent after the release of Windows XP service pack 2 where Microsoft will enable the builtin firewall by default, even if it's explictly turned off right now.
    If they enable automatic updates by default then they get accused of spying on consumers computers because they could install whatever they please when the last few months have clearly proven that it is something that's needed because you can't trust regular people to keep their software up to date as far as patches are concerned.

    Anyway, this is very offtopic from the original post . If Red Hat needs to make the choice between either facing bankrupcy in the near/far future or increasing its revenue by raising prices and discontinuing support for free software then the latter is the only real choice they can make.
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    Ok,
    windows 3.1 , windows 95 , windows 98 , windows me....

    Hmmm... they did get a lot right with windows 2000 but only the professional version. I haven't had problems with that, but all other distros including XP thank you sucked in capital letters.

    If they would stick with one product and finish it before trying to come out with another, I would have much more faith in them.

    I am not bashing them for their past, it is for their pattern of not completing their projects before coming out with a new version that does not upgrade the one you already have.... it is a new version completely, and half the time, upgrading without completely formating the hard drive leaves remnents of the old OS and causes problems.

    I admit, they have got a lot better on keeping your PC from freezing up, but it still happens even with 256 or more ram.

    Look at what their doing with red hat linux... coming out with an enterprise version instead of imporving on what is already working great.

    I guess time will tell,,, but my opionion is that I am sad that micro soft bought red hat, and in that, I am not alone.

    I am not a guy that uses linux on my desktop, I prefer my windows 2000 there, but I like my linux on my servers becasue it IS MORE STABLE FOR WEB APLICATIONS THEN WINDOWS, and nothing you can say will change that. Only the effort that we all really wish they would put into their products.

    I do wish microsoft well, I don't hate them... I just wish they would get their busted products fixed before bringing out more busted products, ok?



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    Hi Carebear,
    I understand what your saying, and don't take me wrong on this topic...
    like I said,,, I don't hate windows, i just hate the fact that they keep changing to new versions without fixing the ones out.... that is my only complaint with them.

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    Originally posted by sharkbyte
    pretty soon microsh*t will buy mandrake....Free BSD (i know X-sistence...but it could happen)....and all the other linux distros... if you look around microscrew has alot of programs that, if you read carefully... are trying to end open source....

    [edit] by "programs" i dont mean computer programs.. but ... ya know... the OTHER definition of program [/edit]
    See, i dont think so. Cause BSD is free, anyone can take a copy, and go on and develop it even further.

    Same with Linux, if they buy one, 2 more will come out of it, and go on.

    There is no stopping something that can be multiplied without any restrictions. You can only stop something of being used, if its propierity.

    And one thing about Linux is, that it can never be propierity, as anything they write for it as to be GPL, and they cant change the license on a the kernel.

    FreeBSD or a spin off will always remain. And i doubt MS has enough money to buy out every person out there that loves to program. To create an OS that is truly stable, and is truly a good server.

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    but all other distros including XP thank you sucked in capital letters.
    Justify that. How did they suck? I find that XP is the best Windows system I've ever used.
    but I like my linux on my servers becasue it IS MORE STABLE FOR WEB APLICATIONS THEN WINDOWS, and nothing you can say will change that.
    That's fine, I don't want to change it. Windows is not a server OS, at least XP and 2000 aren't, I haven't used 2003 before so I can't say. I agree fully, the only thing that I'd want on my servers is *nix
    like I said,,, I don't hate windows, i just hate the fact that they keep changing to new versions without fixing the ones out.... that is my only complaint with them.
    Releasing new versions is their way of fixing stuff. They prefer to do that, because it makes them more money - you buy the new version to fix problems with the old one. That's how most software works...you buy a new version to fix bugs and add new features.
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    Originally posted by CareBear
    I sincerely doubt Microsoft has any intent or wish to branch off to do Linux/UNIX development.

    As far as security goes: in my eyes if it's something an admin could not have prevented then it's a true exploit. If you're stupid enough to expose your SQL server to the whole of the internet by not using a firewall for instance then the first one to be blamed is the admin.

    Red Hat issued 15 security patches in the past 3 months of which some look rather critical to me.
    Microsoft issued a total of 8 security patches (ranging from low to critical) for Windows 2003 server and 10 for Windows 2000 Server in the past 3 months.

    Both OS' have plenty of security holes in them. The difference is that Microsoft is under extreme scrutiny while Linux patches are issued without much general publicity.

    As far as desktop security goes it's a battle they can't win because people will always complain. I can't count the number of people that have complained to me personally about the fact that Outlook Express 6 by default won't allow you to open "unsafe" attachment.
    I foresee an equal amount of discontent after the release of Windows XP service pack 2 where Microsoft will enable the builtin firewall by default, even if it's explictly turned off right now.
    If they enable automatic updates by default then they get accused of spying on consumers computers because they could install whatever they please when the last few months have clearly proven that it is something that's needed because you can't trust regular people to keep their software up to date as far as patches are concerned.

    Anyway, this is very offtopic from the original post . If Red Hat needs to make the choice between either facing bankrupcy in the near/far future or increasing its revenue by raising prices and discontinuing support for free software then the latter is the only real choice they can make.
    rite on!

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    i read an article stating that even if microsuck does get a version of linux that has an avg uptime of MORE THAN 5 minuets and that can be actually called linux, they would still be to stupid to think up a could name, and hence, the microsoft distro of linux would probaly be called " WinDex" (windex, ya know, the window cleaner)


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    so, what's the big deal??
    can anybody here stop microsoft?
    they almost have everything,
    except moral and goodwill.

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    You can't say microsoft owns redhat, Redhat is publicly owned. Go look on the Nasdaq (RHAT) plus I personally know the CEO. Mathew Szulik. Trust me they aren't owned by Microsoft

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    Did Microsoft really buy RH Linux?

    If that is the case I can only see the OS's of the future. You will not only need to buy Windows OS but also pay monthly for using it. And also pay for patches and such.

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    You will not only need to buy Windows OS but also pay monthly for using it. And also pay for patches and such.
    Pfft. Where's your basis for that idea?
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    Microsoft's OS is not insecure. It's the people who use it who are too lazy to patch it.

    Who cares if Microsof did by Redhat? Don't use Redhat, end of story.
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    Originally posted by Robert
    Microsoft's OS is not insecure. It's the people who use it who are too lazy to patch it.

    Who cares if Microsof did by Redhat? Don't use Redhat, end of story.
    I fully agree with you, it all depends on the user.

    Windows on it's own with all the latest patches is secure.

    It's when people start running daemons and have their computer running around with it's buttflap open where the problems arise.

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    Originally posted by Robert
    Microsoft's OS is not insecure. It's the people who use it who are too lazy to patch it.

    Who cares if Microsof did by Redhat? Don't use Redhat, end of story.
    If only more people were joyous in using *BSD, dealin' with all the configuration, and the kernel itself, it shouldn't have been a problem.

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