Unlimited Hosting

[TLCHosting]

Originally Posted by DavidsAwesome

....Do it. If it was truly unlimited, I'll get an account, and I'll use it. And then when you suspend my account for some bull---- reason, I'll sue you.


There was a guy somewhere once offering unlimited hosting... So someone bought it, and filled it up with as much crap as he could find. He got to 230gb before the error messages started kicking in.


Hostgator can do it because of their size. If you aren't that big, and you only have a couple servers, It will end badly.

LMAO You can only sue if they suspend your account for any reasons not in the Terms. Like I said people never read the terms and when there accounts are suspended due to the t&C not being followed then there is no way you can sue.

Like I said mine is not unlimited but i have specialized plans for social networking hosting, where we will update you account with extra space when needed not before. Also states very clearly that the only files to be held on the account is connected to your social networking site. If clients don't abide by the terms of the products then they only have them self to blame when there account gets suspended. So far my OSDate and Dolphin plans are doing very very well. No complaints, no failure to follow to the terms of the packages and they have revived extra space as needed with out hassle and i have upgraded my hardware 4 times with no issues or problems.

This client here has my Dolphin hosting and as you can see he is very happy with the service I provide.

http://www.pchosting.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10.0

Personally the only thing you need to have to be able to provide unlimited type of service is the funds. It's like that good old say money makes to world go around, and if you have the money you can have any thing you want.

As for the guy who "filled it up with as much crap as he could find" then that is his look out. I have said me and others have been host with hostgator and got up to over 230GB never once had one downtime or one problem due to the amount of space i was using.

Out of all my clients the one using most space is 462GB ok it might not be under my dolphin or osdate hosting plans where you can have as much as your site needs and his on my shared hosting but it's not causing me any problems. He pays for every bit of space he uses and i never receive any complaints from him.

I will never stop any accounts for the amount of space being used, like I said the only plans that allow as much space as needed are subject to terms. And the terms are not unreasonable and if they do want to host any thing else on there account I will be more then happy to transfer them to shared hosting to allow them to do so.

[cashmygiro]

PCHosting,

I see you are UK based, is that correct? If so, your website is breaking the Distance Selling Regulations as you have no business address on your website. Are you a Limited company or a sole trader or are you just a school boy bedroom host flouting the law?

On the subject of "unlimited" hosting - you say most "unlimited" web hosts have it in their terms and conditions that you are not allowed to host files, only web pages. Well if that is the case who needs "unlimited" space to host static html pages?? I'd soon rather pay a proper host for reasonable non-oversold resources where I'd actually be allowed to host my photo collections, large database files and other files without the risk of being suspended for "abuse".

[autk]

there is no really no unlimited hosting plan. the webspace and addons maybe unlimited. but their cpu and memory usage must be limited

[bariteau]

Originally Posted by autk

there is no really no unlimited hosting plan. the webspace and addons maybe unlimited. but their cpu and memory usage must be limited

Addons: fine they can be unlimited, they still rely on the diskspace and transfer. It doesn't matter if you have 1 or 100 databases, as long as the data stays bellow your disk space quota, there's no issues

Webspace: as said before, it cannot be unlimited. It relies on tangible media thus has a limit

CPU and memory is usually not an issue for most shared users (especially if confined to static and dynamic [php] web pages)

[.Bobby]

Originally Posted by PN-Matt

Is there unlimited anything in this world? No

This topic has been beaten so many times elsewhere. The fact is unlimited just doesn't exist and most (not all) are run by scam companies who cut you off when you hit a certain limit.

Well, as you've just seen how long this thread can get just by explaining to users like you why the term 'unlimited' in HostGator, and bigger companies, exist.

They use the term 'unlimited' in a general field. They obviously don't literally mean 'unlimited' as in, i've got a 1TB HDD, but i'm going to let you use 200TB for your site. Unlimited to them, is Hardware Upgrade. When they notice their User Usage is about to hit the max. their Servers can handle, they upgrade their hardware, buy more bandwidth, and resources altogether. This is a simple logic which I hope you, and others lurking around would be able to accept, and understand.

Like mentioned earlier, the term 'unlimited' is only usable with Bigger Companies, eg. HostGator. Yes, you may call small-time companies that offer 'Unlimited' hosting, 'Scams', but you definitely cannot call Companies like CWahi, HostGator - 'Scams' , as they definitely know what they are doing, and offering to their Users.

I've just spent a good 45minutes reading through the whole TOS of HostGator, and putting together a little summary of what you can, and can't do on HostGator Accounts. This is in .pdf Format. If you want this, PM me for it.


Regards,
Bobby

[PN-Matt]

Originally Posted by .Bobby

Well, as you've just seen how long this thread can get just by explaining to users like you why the term 'unlimited' in HostGator, and bigger companies, exist.

They use the term 'unlimited' in a general field. They obviously don't literally mean 'unlimited' as in, i've got a 1TB HDD, but i'm going to let you use 200TB for your site. Unlimited to them, is Hardware Upgrade. When they notice their User Usage is about to hit the max. their Servers can handle, they upgrade their hardware, buy more bandwidth, and resources altogether. This is a simple logic which I hope you, and others lurking around would be able to accept, and understand.

Like mentioned earlier, the term 'unlimited' is only usable with Bigger Companies, eg. HostGator. Yes, you may call small-time companies that offer 'Unlimited' hosting, 'Scams', but you definitely cannot call Companies like CWahi, HostGator - 'Scams' , as they definitely know what they are doing, and offering to their Users.

I've just spent a good 45minutes reading through the whole TOS of HostGator, and putting together a little summary of what you can, and can't do on HostGator Accounts. This is in .pdf Format. If you want this, PM me for it.


Regards,
Bobby

We know it exists in their terms but in the physical sense it doesn't. Also note how I put "MOST" companies. For companies such as HostGator, dreamhost its nothing more then a marketing ploy. To reel people into the keep net. I don't need this explained to me thank you.

Hardware upgrades are limited too...

There are always technical constraints. Anyone who believes you can just stick another hard drive on a server is very misinformed. It's not all about HD space their are other constraints. CPU load is limited and so much more.. if someone decided to bring their huge website running several mysql databases and tons of queries they would cause huge spikes which would slow the server down for other users.

At the end of the day its up to customers. Quality or Quantity.

[TaoPhoenix]

Lots of stuff here. Lessee...

1. PCHosting gets my vote for coming very near to doing "Devil's Advocate". But he's being intelligent and civil, so he gets my thread opener for at least being interesting.

2. There is no such thing as "unlimited/science" anything. Period.

3. "Unlimited/marketing" is an attempt to linguistically force a synonym that doesn't actually exist. As such I'd like to delete the word from this discussion and replace it in each case with a phrase that actually describes what is being offered, so it can be evaluated sensibly. Let's try a few:

3a. "No Fixed Cap". We get to play a game of stratego(tm) where I upload my site and you watch your resources until I either am unable to expand the site further (flag) vs. provider's service tanking under the load (bomb).

3b. "Can't Do This". There is no such thing as "file storage/marketing". It's like saying something is "Natural". Web sites ARE files. So what is really meant is "no audio-visual media files over X size and/or no software package files over x size". If you decide "everything must be linked" then fine - I'll make a turbo-powersweep program that links all files on the account.

3c. "Not My Fault". AOL invented the version of "Unlimited/marketing" whereupon their access systems couldn't handle the load, and so you didn't get on at all. Or "but I had a DDOS attack and it's not my fault I lost a drive"... sorry. Still not "unlimited/science".

3d "Unlimited for three days". Ever hear of Bernie Madoff? It's called the Pyramid Scam and it's illegal. In server terms you fund the first 10 clients with the next 20's unused space, until in the fifth round the whole thing caves and then it becomes Very Limited.

3e. "Read the TOS" seems to have ocurred in the discussion a lot. What TOS? If it's "unlimited" then you don't need TOS. All Terms are only euphemisms to skate away from actually providing "unlimited/science" service, into your particular variant of "unlimited/marketing".

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So. In light of these and other replacement phrases, what exactly are you promoting?

[.Bobby]

Originally Posted by PN-Matt

Hardware upgrades are limited too...

They could buy more servers? And have them connected up, again.

Ever hear of Bernie Madoff?

Oh yeah. Lol.

[serverorigin]

*shrug* Unlimited argument again?

Honestly, there isn't a theoretical limit on what a host can provide. If they have the dollars then they can provide you unlimited. Whether they do or not isn't for us to judge.

Example: I have a personal account I've had with Dreamhost since 2003 or around that I use more than 1TB of disk space and close to 8TB/month bandwidth. Have they ever asked me a question? Complained? Suspended? Nope.

I'm treated like anyone else...never a single complaint.

A host can buy SAN on top of SAN... Really, the only limit is them standing behind their word. Most hosts do.

You just have to watch their words... Check their terms of service. Most providers will offer you unlimited everything as long as you abide by some rules....

Those rules being:
No file servers
No backup storage
No mirroring
etc.

In other words, it is unlimited for as much as you can put there that has to do with your website. You cannot just backup all your home servers to it.. You can't use it for rsyncing FreeBSD repositories, etc.

In other words, don't abuse it and you'll be fine in most cases.

[Darknight]

all I am going to say is:
its the small hosting providers offering 'dedicated' resources who are scamming you if someone pays for 50GB and only uses 10, they don't get anything back from the provider so why shouldn't someone else use it?
overselling! 9/10 people never use the resources they are offered, so these hosts charging you 9.99 for 1GB space and 50GBs bandwidth are ripping you off and keeping the extra for themselves.

With all the tools available today, there is no reason NOT to oversell (except laziness, incompetence, stupidity and lack of funds, it can be easily managed and your giving the customer alot more 'if' they ever need it.

Why sign up with a provider for 1GB of space and 50GB of bandwidth for 9.99/month on a ----ty single server setup when you can get put on a larger over seller hosts cluster with 100 times the resource limits and 100 times the power/reliability?


Whos ripping who off?
of course you have to choose wise, but that gos without saying, no matter what 'type' of shared hosting you go for.
Overselling is the majority market and anyone that wanted to make a strong company in a flooded market is stupid not to do it.
If you dont have the funds for 400-1000$/month to setup a decent shared hosting environment, your not a shared host anyway.
You should stick to reselling a larger hosts webhosting that way you know your clients are getting true shared hosting and not this single server overload crap.

[Meksilon]

^^ I know of a small Australian ISP who has a single server (here in a canberrean datacentre) they sell VPS's from on a 6Mbit metered line. I was like "SIX Mbit? That's laughable! It's not even 10Mbit and they're running what between 20-40 VPS's on it??" You do the maths that's not very fast hosting!"

Apparently the way they see it is this: the cost of a single server on a metered 6Mbit line is small, and the profit from 20-40 VPS accounts is good; and if they need to they can always buy more bandwidth from the datacentre.

Who's ripping who off? Indeed. Very well put .oa. - hosts that don't oversell are wasting their resources. You can always add HDD's, servers and upgrade your bandwidth.

[TLCHosting]

Originally Posted by PN-Matt

We know it exists in their terms but in the physical sense it doesn't. Also note how I put "MOST" companies. For companies such as HostGator, dreamhost its nothing more then a marketing ploy. To reel people into the keep net. I don't need this explained to me thank you.

Hardware upgrades are limited too...

There are always technical constraints. Anyone who believes you can just stick another hard drive on a server is very misinformed. It's not all about HD space their are other constraints. CPU load is limited and so much more.. if someone decided to bring their huge website running several mysql databases and tons of queries they would cause huge spikes which would slow the server down for other users.

At the end of the day its up to customers. Quality or Quantity.

Why on earth would hostgator need a "marketing ploy"?

There huge and have new customers every day. What you have said is more like a conspiracy theory.

[TLCHosting]

Originally Posted by TaoPhoenix

Lots of stuff here. Lessee...

1. PCHosting gets my vote for coming very near to doing "Devil's Advocate". But he's being intelligent and civil, so he gets my thread opener for at least being interesting.

2. There is no such thing as "unlimited/science" anything. Period.

3. "Unlimited/marketing" is an attempt to linguistically force a synonym that doesn't actually exist. As such I'd like to delete the word from this discussion and replace it in each case with a phrase that actually describes what is being offered, so it can be evaluated sensibly. Let's try a few:

3a. "No Fixed Cap". We get to play a game of stratego(tm) where I upload my site and you watch your resources until I either am unable to expand the site further (flag) vs. provider's service tanking under the load (bomb).

3b. "Can't Do This". There is no such thing as "file storage/marketing". It's like saying something is "Natural". Web sites ARE files. So what is really meant is "no audio-visual media files over X size and/or no software package files over x size". If you decide "everything must be linked" then fine - I'll make a turbo-powersweep program that links all files on the account.

3c. "Not My Fault". AOL invented the version of "Unlimited/marketing" whereupon their access systems couldn't handle the load, and so you didn't get on at all. Or "but I had a DDOS attack and it's not my fault I lost a drive"... sorry. Still not "unlimited/science".

3d "Unlimited for three days". Ever hear of Bernie Madoff? It's called the Pyramid Scam and it's illegal. In server terms you fund the first 10 clients with the next 20's unused space, until in the fifth round the whole thing caves and then it becomes Very Limited.

3e. "Read the TOS" seems to have ocurred in the discussion a lot. What TOS? If it's "unlimited" then you don't need TOS. All Terms are only euphemisms to skate away from actually providing "unlimited/science" service, into your particular variant of "unlimited/marketing".

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So. In light of these and other replacement phrases, what exactly are you promoting?

I will not even wast my breath with answering your post, but the comment about TOS got to me. Every company needs a TOS to protect them self. As you should know in different country there are different laws. In the UK we are allowed to have more marital hosted on our servers compared to the US.

Hosting company's especially need a TOS to stop any possibility of being closed down when it comes to material being on the server that might be braking the law.

But its not to just protect the company but the customers. For example I once used to have a video streaming site like you tube. I got suspended, NOT because i was using to much disk space or bandwidth on a unlimited plan but because i was hosting videos. I read there TOS word by word there TOS never said any think. I had it out with them said i would take them to court if they try to remove me from there servers. But to my surprise they turned around and said that they was sorry it was a mistake on there part and i continued for 1 year till i closed the site.

That is one example of why a hosting company needs a TOS.

And if you was to run a hosting company with out a TOS i would be concerned with what you might be getting away with.

[bariteau]

There is no such thing as unlimited transfer, here's why:

max bandwidth * 3600 * 24 *31 /8 = max transfer / month in megabytes

so a 10 Mbps line will require approx (rounded up) 3.2 Terabyte per month of transfer

meaning that a line cannot transfer more than 3.2 terabytes of data per month leading to a conclusion that it isn't unlimited and that it is limited by the bandwidth you are given by the host.

Now you could argue that a host could had lines but eventually your server will run out of expansion space and you won't be able to add more networking cards and therefore hit a LIMIT.

[TLCHosting]

Ok lets change from from unlimited hosting to the fact that if you sit down and truly think about the following sites and ask your self why and how can they provide the services that they provide with out running out of space and bandwidth and closing down.

• myspace
• youtube
• facebook
• person.com

These are only some of the sites out there that require an unbelievable amount of space to run. But how?

How do they add what they need to keep there sites going, They don't go that is it we are out of space time to close down. It's called upgrading. When I first started to study IT I told this "When you buy a any thing that is IT related the next day it becomes out of date. There is always some think new in the IT industry the next day that makes it out of date." I was told this by my tutor. And it is true, and although you can't upgrade every day, you can upgrade at any point to make your system/server to suit the needs of the owner.