++500000 terroist are gathering right now

[Nug]

I can see that this is going to turn in to a big arguement as it already has.

Alright as a Canadian I have my opinion here...

The eastern world aka Lebanon, Iraq, Israel etc. are in a state of war. I don't remember which ones exactly are being affected... all I know is that we're in there helping you guys out however we can. As far as this terrorism crap goes,
the offical defnition of a terrorist from dictionary.com is:

1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

Terrorism:
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

You two need to stop blaming the societies for doing things. Lebanon for some reason was being attacked by Israel (god knows for what reason)... hence they defended themselves, and got the U.N. involved. These attackings eventually stopped.

These things wouldn't have started to happen if the Afghans didn't destroy the towers in 9/11, attacked the pentagon, etc.
Now... someone in a previous thread thinks that it was a big conspiracy just to get in to Iraq. I think there WAS something fishy going on with the oil, but they still are doing the right thing by going over there to help.

@KRAK_JOE
your just being racist and uncivilzed by calling them pigs, your just filled with your american crap right now.

@darkox
Violence is not the answer... now you mentioned about these attacks... just because they attacked doesn't mean it's right. Yes, you mention that these innocent people died because of this, and you just sit there? No! If you get attacked you defend if you can't get it resolved by some sort of treaty or something.

Good point, I agree.

Krak, I'm not saying you are a american, I'm saying you saying what same americans say, because you think it's "cool", or something.. :rolleyes2

You both are just trying to pick a fight, well krak is.. So my involvment stops here..

 

[krakjoe]

you're totally wrong, I'm not picking fights with anyone, I'm expressing an opinion and giving valid reasons for doing so, picking a fight is posting on a forum saying you agree and support and have admirance for a known terrorists organisation.

 

[Darko]

loosing a friend to a violant crime, or suicide is totaly different, at least you know that if someone killes or causes the death of your friend, he will be trialled and put in prison, but when an IDF miltant kills a little palestinian kid, he just goes on his way, and maybe why not, he kills another and another.
Your ideas are so conflicting, on one hand you say that violance doesn't solve anything, and on the other hand you say that you're glad because that Us and Uk armies invaded iraq. And please stop acting all high and mighty, by telling me how civilised you are, Romans invaded and enslaved have of the world on the pretence of civilizing it, and apparantly they gave the job to the US today, i understand the feelings that grew in the US after 9/11, and yes they might have been justified to invade afghanistan but how civilised it is to invade someones country and kill god knows how many iraqi just because they "MIGHT" have "THOUGHT ABOUT" just "MAYBE" attacking you, do you know how was iraq before the invasion, it had 10 years of siege mo weapons and nothing allowed, the US came up with a program, that only allows food to enter if iraq gives oil in return, this regime was so weak, it was dying anyways, so can you explain to me how could a country like that be able to attack, it took the americans a month to invade the whole country, how could a country like that be a danger, and do you know what an example this kind of behaviour sets, now every country that wants anything from another, will say: "Oh well, they had to have something planned against us, so let's just kill a couple thousand of them, and take all their resources maybe that will teach them", and if that's the case then all arab stats that surrond israel should invade it, not because of what they're doing to palestinians, but because they have nuclear weopans, yeah that's right "ISRAEL HAS NUKES, TONS OF THEM" and nuclear submarines, and all kinds of weopons, but i bet you don't here that on the Television, you only here about iran, as if some people have the right to get nukes but others don't, another double standered used by the civilised west, a west that from what you are saying, Hitler makes the greatest person in the west, since he invaded and killed all of who differed from him, because he thought thry were inferior and uncivilised creatures.

 

[stuffradio]

Actually, last night or the night before on this show called Anderson Cooper 360 the president of one of those countries can't remember.... it was like Afghanistan or something, was saying how greatful he was that the Americans were there.... he knew that there were tons of terrorists there and wanted them stopped. So what do you think about that?

 

[Darko]

you have over ten parties, in the west that glorifies hitler, does that reflect the opinion of all western people, and if someones just invade your country, and gives all the power to you, after you were banished from the country, wouldn't you be thankfull to those, understand what i'm saying, i'm not defending the regimes in afhganistan and iraq, that used to exist their, they were dictators, but you just can't justify the invasion of ira in any way, no body apointed the US as global cop, and that's why the US will be always targeted by terrorist groups like alquaeda, cause the united stat is giving alquaeda all the justification it needs to justify to the arab and muslim world what they're doing, if you see an al-quaeda member, and you tell him: "Why are you doing this", he'll tell you, "When they stop, i will" he doesn't want to be better then the us, he just wants to take revenge for his parents, now killing innocent people all over the world, is obviously stupidest most wrongfull way to take his revenge, but there's many people out like, like BenLaden adn Abou Hamza al masri, and those kind of assholes, who will brainwash this person and convince him to do these terrorist acts, and just like Al-Quaeda terrorise the western world, america and it's allies terrorise the eastern world

 

[Wojtek]

Krak is a brit

I'll resume my stance on this in 4 words: "I don't care."

I don't care if half a million of terrorists are gathering.
I don't care if jews attacked you.
I don't care if you attacked jews.
I don't care about whats happening over there.
period.

When I was working at that summer camp this summer, it was the best moment of the year. No tv, no radio, no internet, no "news".
I came back to montreal and, geez, there's been some 'war' for the past 2 weeks.

I could hapilly live without knowing there was one, so basically, I dont care.

Enjoy yout reunion darkox

 

[ExileHosting]

Wojtek you may say that now but just read this poem, and then just think what you said, and if you can't make sense of the first poem, read the second!!!

First they came... is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) about the quiescence of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

----------------------------------------
Not My Business

They picked Akanni up one morning
Beat him soft like clay
And stuffed him down the belly
Of a waiting jeep.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

They came one night
Booted the whole house awake
And dragged Danladi out,
Then off to a lengthy absence.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

Chinwe went to work one day
Only to find her job was gone:
No query, no warning, no probe -
Just one neat sack for a stainless record.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

And then one evening
As I sat down to eat my yam
A knock on the door froze my hungry hand.
The jeep was waiting on my bewildered lawn
Waiting, waiting in its usual silence.

Not My Business
by Niyi Osundare

Ok so you kinda made sense. Hmmm well they are both about people NOT caring about what is happening to others or elsewhere but before they know it, it's happened to them.

I REST MY CASE THERE!!!

 

[Wojtek]

Hmmm well they are both about people NOT caring about what is happening to others or elsewhere but before they know it, it's happened to them.

So you'r saying I should be sick worried about some terrorist blowing himself up besides me? That's exactly what the media wants you to do.
But I've got other stuff to worry about.

 

[GamePhreak]

I'm sorry for not reading through this entire thread (my head would explode, you see), but to the topic in general: If a non-governmental, non-soverign organization gathers weapons from Israel's greatest threat, houses them in a nation in which it is illegal to do so, and then invades another nation and captures its soldiers, what doesn't make them terrorists? In what way is that standing up for Lebanon? Why is it Israel's fault for accidentally killing 50-some civilians in an effort to retrieve their citizens and stop the terrorists, when Hezbollah has killed many more intentionally.

 

[Darko]

50 some people????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the killed more then 1000, the 50 some are the iraeili casulties, and invading israel???the operation was done like 10m away from the border line, and here's a little info for you, first until this day israel still occupies lebanese territories, israel still holds lebanese prisonners, and until this day evenafter the ceasefire, it still send spy planes over lebanon, and as for hizbullah holding weapons, well cause there's no alternative, the lebanese army, and i hate to say this is a joke, we barely have a couple of armoured vehicles and some air defences, no missiles and what not, we don't have a navy, nor an air force, hizbullah existed because of the lack of defences, and it was formed by the people that lived in south lebanon and were always being invaded by israel, and btw the final umbers, are 1.5 million person joined the rally, beirut was jampacked with people, filling all streets

 

[ExileHosting]

What im saying Wojtek is the fact you don't seem to be bothered with "whats going on over there" by this i took it as though you didnt care about the innocent people, sorry if i jumped to this conclusion and i withdraw my statement!!!

 

[Fried]

Hmm. I wish I was posting in this thread when the arguement of krak_joe first started... But I can't be bothered to read all those posts now. I'm a pretty good arguer.

Even though I havn't read all those posts,

I DO believe that the violence is bad. But I do feel sorry for all the people dieing; And I don't think that the countrys are immature. Because every country has been in a war situation like this. And I do care about people dieing.

But Im not on krak_joe's side. Yes he is acting like an american and he thinks it's "cool". And hes saying we're "totally wrong".

 

[Marky]

50 some people????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the killed more then 1000, the 50 some are the iraeili casulties, and invading israel???the operation was done like 10m away from the border line, and here's a little info for you, first until this day israel still occupies lebanese territories, israel still holds lebanese prisonners, and until this day evenafter the ceasefire, it still send spy planes over lebanon, and as for hizbullah holding weapons, well cause there's no alternative, the lebanese army, and i hate to say this is a joke, we barely have a couple of armoured vehicles and some air defences, no missiles and what not, we don't have a navy, nor an air force, hizbullah existed because of the lack of defences, and it was formed by the people that lived in south lebanon and were always being invaded by israel, and btw the final umbers, are 1.5 million person joined the rally, beirut was jampacked with people, filling all streets

Hezbollah was formed for one purpose, to anhiliate Israel and they will do so until Israel is wiped off the face of the earth. What is Hezbollahs purpose? To kill as many people as they can as long as they are from "ISRAEL", What is Israels purpose for the invasion? To wipe out Hezbollah which was built to kill them... Israel tried there best to avoid civilian casualties. What about Hezbollah? they were firing random missiles into Israel hoping to kill anyone could, whether they be children or not(Yes I know, more Lebanese did die and civilians the majority). If hezbollah got hold of a Nuke they would definately use it! Israel just wants its right to exist? As long as Hezbollahs mentality exists amongst the Lebanese people, the middle east will not be safe from conflict.

 

[Darko]

hezbollah, was created in 1982, when israeili forces were occuping half of beirut(the capital) allowing massacres to be carried on against the palestinians and who were aginst it's presence in lebanon, that occupation was minimised afterward not only by hezbollah resistance but by the help of other patriotic mouvements, after that israel kept occuppying southern lebanon until the year 2000, and it still holds the shebaa farms, witch is lebanese land, not to mention the lebanese prisonners it holds, and the constant breach of air space, and water. and as for the missiles launched by hezbollah, if we review the day to day happening of the war, you'll see that for the first couples of days hizbullah only attacked military bases, in the mean times, israel was bombinbg the ---- out of the airport and the southern suburbe, with is a so called "Hizbollah Stronghold" as if even being a supporter og hezbollah makes you fair game.
And for the whole israel has the right to exist, i'm not gona even get into that, cause even tho i'm with the creation of two seperate stats in palestine, i still have some reservations on the whole idea

 

[Marky]

Israel bombed the airport so no members of Hizbollah could leave or come in, they bombed the airport to destroy infrastructure... not to take lives. Hezbollah continued to send missiles through to Israel even before the invasion occured. Did Hezbollah assume Israel would just stand there and take the beating?

I also believe Israel's invasion was not proportional, I do not support Hezbollah nor Israel's invasion, but I think the invasion has caught the attention of many countries and it seems like theres something being done about this by the UN.
Also why did you label this topic 500 000 terrorists are gathering right now, and in your post you say 500 000 lebanese..., are you labelling Lebanese terrorists?:tired2:

 

[GamePhreak]

Also why did you label this topic 500 000 terrorists are gathering right now, and in your post you say 500 000 lebanese..., are you labelling Lebanese terrorists?:tired2:

It was an attempt at sarcasm, but it ends up that quite a lot of people here agree with that statement.

 

[Darko]

Israel bombed the airport so no members of Hizbollah could leave or come in, they bombed the airport to destroy infrastructure... not to take lives. Hezbollah continued to send missiles through to Israel even before the invasion occured. Did Hezbollah assume Israel would just stand there and take the beating?

I also believe Israel's invasion was not proportional, I do not support Hezbollah nor Israel's invasion, but I think the invasion has caught the attention of many countries and it seems like theres something being done about this by the UN.
Also why did you label this topic 500 000 terrorists are gathering right now, and in your post you say 500 000 lebanese..., are you labelling Lebanese terrorists?:tired2:

ok, hizbollah does not receive weapons thru the airport that's just stupid, have you even saw the map of lebanon in your life, we have a huge border with syria most of it unsurveiled, and it's funny how you talked about the airport and forgot to mention the southern suburbe, and from your comments i can see that you didn't even watch the news, to understand how this started, first hizbolah kiddnapped the soldiers in an attempt to exchange them with lebanese prisonners in israel, witch they've done before, and the last time they did, they exchanger 4 prisonners for "400" lebanese and palestinian prisonners, after the kidnapping israel bombed the southern suburbs and the airport, lebanon has only one airport and now it was shutdown, that's when hizbollah targeted israeili "military" bases, but israel kept pounding the suburbs of beirut for 2 days, and then the decision was made to start targeting civilians like israel is doing

 

[GamePhreak]

1) Punctuation.
2) Capitalization.
3) equals Legibility

 

[Marky]

lol.... I didn't say they received weapons from the airport, did you even read my post properly? I said "MEMBERS" of Hezbollah to come in... Israel doesn't want hundrends of Hezbollah supporters to arrive on Lebanese soil to help Hezbollah fight off Isreal. lol and mate I've been watching the news closely and the first thing I saw was the headlines "Isreal Soldiers Captured". Israel is not targeting civilians, Israel is targeting Hezbollah members. Hezbollah is targeting anyone that is an Israeli? Firing missiles randomly in hope to kill as many people as they can?

 

[Darko]

lmao, shiaa form almost 40% of the lebanese population and all of them are hizbullah supportes, and that's all the shiaa community, so do you really believe that hizbullah needs fighters to come from out of the country, adn even if that's possible, are you saying that bombing the airport will stop them from coming do you know how far Damascus(Syria Capital) is from beirut, it takes like 2 hours to get there, and being a hizbullah supporter gives israel the right to attack you, out of all the people killed and injured, hizbullah losses are less then 15%. And thank god israel was not targeting innocent people
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