I wanted to bring to your attention a poll that I created about 3 years ago:
http://freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36534
http://freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36534
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The thread started with who and why people like cpanel and now its turning who hates Asians and who doesn’t.. After reading the thread I have realized that deeplist's hatred for "Asians" means the Chinese the Japanese or people who looks like them only (?).. Here’s my 2 cents..
1. Asia the continent isn’t made of those countries only.. a big chunk of Russia, mid-east even turkey is part of Asia.. and they all don’t look like so called "Asian".. Check out the map of Asia (I’m not sure if I can put the link here but here it is )
2. About creampuffy (or whatever) the Japanese website’s bad English.. well it isn’t their native language.. I’m sure you would make plenty of mistakes if you were told to write something in Japanese for the first time. Majority of the world's population don’t speak english so it will be stupid of us to assume they do. heck I saw some people in my town who cant even speak proper english and they are Americans. at least those folks are trying to get their point across towards a majority of people. I’ve been to some non speaking website and it was horrible since i didn’t have a clue what were they saying (and those were "European" website).. My point is "something is better than nothing" ..
3. On your website you have mentioned that
1. Asia the continent isn’t made of those countries only.. a big chunk of Russia, mid-east even turkey is part of Asia.. and they all don’t look like so called "Asian".. Check out the map of Asia (I’m not sure if I can put the link here but here it is )
2. About creampuffy (or whatever) the Japanese website’s bad English.. well it isn’t their native language.. I’m sure you would make plenty of mistakes if you were told to write something in Japanese for the first time. Majority of the world's population don’t speak english so it will be stupid of us to assume they do. heck I saw some people in my town who cant even speak proper english and they are Americans. at least those folks are trying to get their point across towards a majority of people. I’ve been to some non speaking website and it was horrible since i didn’t have a clue what were they saying (and those were "European" website).. My point is "something is better than nothing" ..
3. On your website you have mentioned that
.. okay this is what got me confused .. is it people who are Asians their requests are bogus or the people who are not Asians can request bogus things? .. Please let me know.. thanks
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This thread has nothing to do with who hates Asians. You are looking at it completely wrong, and I would like to know exactly where I ever said that I disliked them. Why is it that people always have to look at the stupidest damn things and then spin them around and blow them out of proportion?
As for creampuffy, look at this. Every damn post since that person has joined this board has been identical? Do you consider it to be spam? I do, and it should not be tollerated. So don't get into the little details about "well they don't know english" and all that crap. If they are going to make an English site, and target the English market, then it should be in correct English.
And even all that stuff is not the main purpose of this topic. It was created to discuss the ignorance and stupiditiy of the average free hosting consumer, as well as the ignorance and stupidity of the averge free hosting provider. If you read over the whole topic, then why did you pull out the irrelivent items and target them?
You see on my site that it says "Bogus requests from asians will be discarded, etc" and then you have to bring that up? It has nothing to do with a personal disliking of them, or even this thread. You are obviously not in my position so you would not have any idea what it is like to get over 200 emails daily from these people. That is not an exaggeration either. The typical request that I got would look something like this:
If I just gave out hosting to every damn person that sent me a request that looked like that, I would have been out of business a long time ago. Do they expect me to give them an account when they can't even provide to me accurate infomation?
I frequently do traces on the IP addresses of those you fill out the free request form, and over 90% of the time, they come from China. Sometimes I get requests from a Chinese IP address, but at the same time, they fill out the form using a fake address from the United States.
I can refuse hosting to whoever I please, and I can also provide hosting to whoever I please. And I would like to let you know that after I put up that notice about 2 years ago, the amount of fake requests that I was receiving was cut by around 80%.
As for creampuffy, look at this. Every damn post since that person has joined this board has been identical? Do you consider it to be spam? I do, and it should not be tollerated. So don't get into the little details about "well they don't know english" and all that crap. If they are going to make an English site, and target the English market, then it should be in correct English.
And even all that stuff is not the main purpose of this topic. It was created to discuss the ignorance and stupiditiy of the average free hosting consumer, as well as the ignorance and stupidity of the averge free hosting provider. If you read over the whole topic, then why did you pull out the irrelivent items and target them?
You see on my site that it says "Bogus requests from asians will be discarded, etc" and then you have to bring that up? It has nothing to do with a personal disliking of them, or even this thread. You are obviously not in my position so you would not have any idea what it is like to get over 200 emails daily from these people. That is not an exaggeration either. The typical request that I got would look something like this:
If I just gave out hosting to every damn person that sent me a request that looked like that, I would have been out of business a long time ago. Do they expect me to give them an account when they can't even provide to me accurate infomation?
I frequently do traces on the IP addresses of those you fill out the free request form, and over 90% of the time, they come from China. Sometimes I get requests from a Chinese IP address, but at the same time, they fill out the form using a fake address from the United States.
I can refuse hosting to whoever I please, and I can also provide hosting to whoever I please. And I would like to let you know that after I put up that notice about 2 years ago, the amount of fake requests that I was receiving was cut by around 80%.
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I receive requests like that all the time until we switched to a forum system. They were from Asians. I would go as far as to mention them on my site, but the overall poverty of the Asian continent, the susceptibility of people here to give them huge chunks of space for free, and the amount of technology available to them makes them a continuous entity here.
This thread has been very interesting and I wanna say a few things:
1) I am asain.
2) I am a new host.
3) I agree with deeplist's comments on certain asain users being abusive in requesting free hosting. My hosting company started a free hosting contest a few weeks ago and my mail box was flooded with many free hosting requests from a few people from china. When a few added me on msn they constantly asked me for hosting, almost every time I logged online. When I told them that their site had to be in english for me to verify the content and such 1 person said I was looking down and discriminating against asains and threatened to post that on a forum such as FWS. This is just...no words can describe the shock I was in. My point is that some asain customers and clients/users are just too stubborn. I agree that english isn't their 1st language and it is difficult but when I offered to speak in Chinese they still asked and requested and even threatened the same things.
4) Not all new hosts are run by inexperienced and "kiddies". Our hosting company (digitalworldhost.com) is a new company but we have taken every thing very seriously (registration of company name with Canadian government, tax papers, local advertisements in newspaper and etc). It makes the job of a new host very hard when so many "veteran hosts" are talking down to us. So please be fair
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5) I think it is unfair to look down at people who wish to use Cpanel. It is simply the most popular thing, kind of like peer pressure. You don't look at people who demand windows or Microsoft Office Word or something as dumb or "noobs". It is simply the market standard and most accepted form of the software.
1) I am asain.
2) I am a new host.
3) I agree with deeplist's comments on certain asain users being abusive in requesting free hosting. My hosting company started a free hosting contest a few weeks ago and my mail box was flooded with many free hosting requests from a few people from china. When a few added me on msn they constantly asked me for hosting, almost every time I logged online. When I told them that their site had to be in english for me to verify the content and such 1 person said I was looking down and discriminating against asains and threatened to post that on a forum such as FWS. This is just...no words can describe the shock I was in. My point is that some asain customers and clients/users are just too stubborn. I agree that english isn't their 1st language and it is difficult but when I offered to speak in Chinese they still asked and requested and even threatened the same things.
4) Not all new hosts are run by inexperienced and "kiddies". Our hosting company (digitalworldhost.com) is a new company but we have taken every thing very seriously (registration of company name with Canadian government, tax papers, local advertisements in newspaper and etc). It makes the job of a new host very hard when so many "veteran hosts" are talking down to us. So please be fair
. 5) I think it is unfair to look down at people who wish to use Cpanel. It is simply the most popular thing, kind of like peer pressure. You don't look at people who demand windows or Microsoft Office Word or something as dumb or "noobs". It is simply the market standard and most accepted form of the software.
I think about every free webhost gets requests from Aisians. I have a few.
Here's one of many:
The reply-to name that was included in the email header said his name was xiansheng jia.
Although not all Aisians are like this, many are.
I don't look down on people who use cPanel, its the people who use cPanel because that's the only control panel they've heard of. If people would read this thread with their eyes and not their emotions they would know what we are talking about.
The kiddie hosts who think that just because they have a reseller account they can host the world are the ones we look down upon.
Here's one of many:
The reply-to name that was included in the email header said his name was xiansheng jia.
Although not all Aisians are like this, many are.
I don't look down on people who use cPanel, its the people who use cPanel because that's the only control panel they've heard of. If people would read this thread with their eyes and not their emotions they would know what we are talking about.
The kiddie hosts who think that just because they have a reseller account they can host the world are the ones we look down upon.
ComputerHelpWorld, you are proof that Asians can speak fluent English if they try. Your company is sensible. Not one of those "I'll give you 10 GB space and 100 GB bandwidth if you post on a forum" hosts. Our host is also quite new buy sensible none the less. As for CPanel, I now only offer it to people who actually need it and am currently getting a smaller CPanel server.
There needs to be more hosts, regardless of ethnicity, like computerhelpworld. I would consider him a good, serious host. The exception that I, and others talk about quite frequently.
From a buisness standpoint, cPanel makes sense to offer. Many people want it, many are familiar with it, and those wo aren't can adapt quickly. I personally do not use cPanel, but I offer it nonetheless.
From a buisness standpoint, cPanel makes sense to offer. Many people want it, many are familiar with it, and those wo aren't can adapt quickly. I personally do not use cPanel, but I offer it nonetheless.
I think users from china are a little desperate at times because it is hard to find a reliable host from within china and few free hosts allows sites to be just in chinese.
But you'd think such sites with good hits and ads would be able to pay for hosting. But some how the money made from ads is used elsewhere. That sometimes makes me wonder; I mean a site with 300ish unique hits a day and has clicksors or google ads or anything can make quite a bit of money. At least 10 bucks a month and that is plently to get some good reliable hosting. Some people are just too greedy though, but others I guess are in a tough situation. So it still comes down to the part of the free host to review each application with an open mind, or at least in my opinion.
But you'd think such sites with good hits and ads would be able to pay for hosting. But some how the money made from ads is used elsewhere. That sometimes makes me wonder; I mean a site with 300ish unique hits a day and has clicksors or google ads or anything can make quite a bit of money. At least 10 bucks a month and that is plently to get some good reliable hosting. Some people are just too greedy though, but others I guess are in a tough situation. So it still comes down to the part of the free host to review each application with an open mind, or at least in my opinion.
I judge a application by 2 main things.
Language, Spelling, Grammar, etc
Purpose
I host a Bosnian radio show, they didn't speak good english when they submitted their application, but their idea sounded interesting. It is not all based on ethnicity or language. It is the purpose that counts.
Language, Spelling, Grammar, etc
Purpose
I host a Bosnian radio show, they didn't speak good english when they submitted their application, but their idea sounded interesting. It is not all based on ethnicity or language. It is the purpose that counts.
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.. LMAO
.. as for the asians who pick the kiddie sites that meant to be down in few days.. my opinion is .. let them make their own mistakes.. why bother??
as for the abusive requests.. i think switching to forum is the best solution however it pretty much sucks (i hate it) but if you make people apply on the forum (just one post) rather than filling up a form things might be better..
Im very new to directadmin. I've only started to use it for a month now, and allready i love it due to its simplicity :wink2:
Come on, whats more important. Doing your work correctly in a simple interface you understand or in a interface that looks really good, but too dam complicated.
Im not saying cPanel is complicated for me, but if a noob was to use it for the first time, he'd have to go through the manual :biggrin2:
Come on, whats more important. Doing your work correctly in a simple interface you understand or in a interface that looks really good, but too dam complicated.
Im not saying cPanel is complicated for me, but if a noob was to use it for the first time, he'd have to go through the manual :biggrin2:
Ken96 said:
LOL. Thanks for pointing that one out. :wink2:
Ken96 said:
True. They go with the kids who offer "unlimited" resources. But any half-educated person knows that unlimited only goes as far as the host's wallet can stretch.
Because once their host goes down in a week, they come and bombard real hosts with tons of requests. Those requests are worse than spam, because you have to wade through those and see if it actually is a real application. Anything that has the subject "Ph4rm!cyee 4 free" or "C!l!4s cheep!" or "\/!agra", you can automatically delete. But when its an application, you actually have to open the email.DarkEyes said:
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