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"Unlimited" Issues *read*

Man why do the english invent such a word called unlimited. it causes many flames.:mad:



So what if there is no unlimited? Even if that means there is a limit, it is also a very big one.
 
What sells:

Unlimited

or

200mb limit


The Unlimited does.

Its like advertising a car, it can go real fast... (say 160KPH or around ~80MPH +) yet the law limits you at 100KPH - so arent car makers falsely advertising their product? Sure their car can do over 200KPH, but you can not do more then 100KPH.....
 
Originally posted by amz


:jump: :rofl: :jump: :rofl: :jump: :rofl: :jump: :rofl:

That's funny .... that means their so-called "unlimited"
accounts are more restrictive than our accounts *ROFL*
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But he still delivers exactly what he promises, and I'd bet he makes a killing off of it.

This is the logic behind Host ultra's unlimited.

For all of you people talking about 'I am going to upload a lot of stuff to your server THEN you will know that unlimted doesn't exist.' Well, I would love to see that. He doesn't allow download sites or even photogalleries, and he has a 1mb file size limit. So, I DARE you to make a site that uses a ton of bandwidth using only small graphics for your site and ASCII. HTML uses a tiny bit of bandwidth, and Hostultra has limited his service to only people who have HTML sites, and he does not allow the kind of sites that use a lot of transfer. SO, the people who use his service within the terms of his service will never have to worry about bandwidth because he has enough to cover it.

For everyone who says 'Well, then I suppose you would be able to take all of yahoo's traffic the?'. No, that would be stupid. All of the sites that get a lot of traffic, or use a lot of bandwidth without any downloads get a lot of traffic because they spend millions of dollars on advertising. If you set up a website on hostultra, and bought a TV ad for during the superbowl, you would be an idiot.

There is also the fact that when a person's site gets real popular, they will move it to paid hosting. Paid hosting is dirt cheap, and if someone puts out a couple of dollars a month, they can get AD FREE hosting, and they will if their site is popular because they don't want their vistors to have to see Hostultra's pop-ups all the time.

Also, unlimited can exist because there is a not an unlimited supply of visitors to a webpage. There are a finite amount of users, and a finite amout of users who visit a certain web page. You can say that 'I can go to the page an unlimited amout of times'... well actually you can't, unless you are immortal. There are a finite amout of people at any given time, and their lifespan is also finite.

So, broken down this is how Hostultra's offer of unlimited works.
Since the people who have webpages on his site can only use a finite amount of bandwidth, and he lets them have that finite amout they have NO LIMIT on the bandwidth they use. Therefore allowing their data transfer usage to be unlimited.

Now, when someone without violating Hostultra's TOS or AUP has their site closed down because of bandwidth, then you can flame him. Otherwise I suggest you all shut up.
 
Originally posted by amz


:jump: :rofl: :jump: :rofl: :jump: :rofl: :jump: :rofl:

That's funny .... that means their so-called "unlimited"
accounts are more restrictive than our accounts *ROFL*
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Yes, I quoted the same post twice in a row, shame on me.

Anyway... AMZ, you have nothing to roll on the floor and laugh about. It seems that YOU TOO offer unlimited bandwidth.
From the AMZ TOS:
There is no directly specified transfer limits on a FREE hosted accounts.
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If there are no limits, then it is unlimited, as that is the definition of unlimited.

So you must also have this 'so called "unlimited"' thing going on too.

You say that Hostultra's account are more restriced then yours? I BEG to disagree.
Again, from the AMZ TOS:
The following file types are forbidden on FREE hosting accounts: .ZIP, .EXE, .ARJ, .LHA, .SIT, .CAB, .RAR, .WMA, .MP3, .RM, .RAM, .RA, .MOV, .QT, .AVI, .MPG, .MPEG, MP3, AU, and any other file format that AMZ Web Hosting deems usage restricted on FREE hosted accounts.
Which is any file type that can be of any size, or do any damage as far as bandwidth.

This next one if actually from the signup page:
FREE web hosting accounts are for the purposes of personal web sites only. No file or image only sites. That is the same policy as Hostultra.

I find this one to be hilarious:
In extreme circumstances, we may impose a $5 / GB charge upon high traffic users.
Hostultra has SOOO got you beat on this one.
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So basically, you offer exactly what Hostultra offers, except that you offer CGI and mySQL and you restrict disk space, and you make people post in your forums. Wow, you have nothing to laugh about now!
 
If you are sick of the issue, why did you post in a thread about it that went a whole day with getting a post?

The issue was settled, and then you post saying you are sick of. You accomplished nothing except postcount++.
 
Sigh... When will people learn? Gayowulf hit it dead on.

Unlimited Space/Bandwdith - Sorry but it truly doesn't exist. Read Gayowulf's post, you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

Unmetered - Typically used in the same deceptive manner. It's always unmetered until you use to much and someone has to pay the bill, as such it's not truly unmetered as if you use to much they will find out who used to much and either make you pay or will remove your account.

RackShack.net was mentioned here as offering unlimited or unmetered bandwidth, that is simply not true. Look at the site and look at the offer, its limited by its very nature. Look at the data transfer they are moving, can you offer this much with your unlimited/unmetered accounts? No, you can't.

http://www.rackshack.net/aboutus/networks.asp

All it takes is one customer to loose business because you suspended him or your provider suspended you. Then one lawsuit, and you will be picking up the tab for your deceptive advertising.

I think I'm just going to copy and paste this message when people ask about unlimited space/bandwidth. With that said I'll bet unlimited dollars that someone asks about unlimited space/bandwidth again in the next month. ;)
 
Yes, I've also heard of dedicated server providers providing a dedicated connection line with unlimited (unmetered) transfer as well - or, they give you a transfer limit, but they allow you to burst up to the bandwidth (speed) you need.
 
Originally posted by HostUltra


YES THERE IS!
Rackshack unmetered/unlimited server here
http://www.rackshack.net/compaq10mbps.asp
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That's "unmetered" not UNLIMITED! And it's limited to 10 Mbps so it's not unlimited! Get it? Your a host, you should know that, come on, get with the program!

And they don't mean the same thing (unmetered/unlimited). So why not change the unlimited to "unmetered" on your site. (read above)

bigperm: Any free service that offers "unlimited/unmetered" will soon learn that they can't offer unlimited/unmetered due to costs and change the service. Sure, nobody will be able to "abuse" the service, but I'm sure a few people will be able to (i.e. warez masters etc). Why not avoid the problem and LIMIT the service before it get's out of hand. The problem here is that nobody has a *big* site, and most people go with a free hosts because they DON'T want to pay! If I did a site about pop cans, and got millions of hits per day, I'm not going to pay for hosting, let the free host put banners on my site. But when those banners don't pay for the transfer (actual usage), and the server gets slow, the host cuts me off, there is your unlimited LIMIT, "but it said UNLIMITED"!! The day hostultra gets a big user, he'll change his policy or lose money. Right now, I bet only a few go over 1 GB mark. httpd processes would use a good chunk of systems resources (cpu/ram) when serving a site (a big site). By the stated policy below, he COULD cut your account because your using too much. So how is his service unlimited?? His policy is setup to say "if you do any thing wrong, we'll cut you" and his site says "abuse us". This is another good example of a two faced unlimited host (free or not).

You people can sit here and bitch and wine all you want "unlimited is not real", "yes it is", "no it's not", "yes it is". No provider has a unlimited connection, so they can't offer any sort of unlimited service. If you fall for a "unlimited" disk space/transfer plan, hope you enjoy the moves. :D

Limitations.

The Service is subject to the following limitations:

a.File Size. Files larger than 1 Mb cannot be uploaded to the hostultra.com servers, such files will be deleted automatically without notice to User.
b.CPU Resources. User acknowledges that the Service is provided on a shared server and agrees not to engage in any activity that could overwhelm the server with heavy CPU usage or that requires a disproportionate amount of the resources of the hostultra.com server, including without limitation, use of highly active CGI scripts or chat scripts.
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to The Elf:

You might want to go and reread my post. I described, is exquisite detail how HostUltra's business model allows him to offer unlimited space and bandwidth without being dishonest.

It's a loophole really... he offers unlimited space and bandwidth, but limits the content of the sites, effectively keeping any high bandwidth sites off of his service.

Also, he explained elsewhere, the for every page view that doesn't use 16mb of bandwidth, he makes money. Since it's tough for a simple HTML page to use 16mb on a single page view, I am sure he is making enough money to cover the bandwidth costs.

I know that there is no such thing as 'unlimited' bandwidth or space and I don't use any host that offers either. I pay for my hosting and I get what I pay for.

BUT! Like I said before, when Hostultra closes down a site that is within his TOS and AUP for using too much space or bandwidth, then feel free to flame on. Otherwise you are going to have to settle with being wrong.
 
Unlimited bandwidth doesn't exist, period. Every data transfer method has a limit, gigabit ethernet may be incredibly fast but there is still a limit. A single line would be fine for most of us but not all. High usage sites are usually download related, adult sites, and other questionable sites such as emulation/rom/basically whenever the content is questionable.

For it to be truly unlimited they would have to agree to add more servers as needed with no maximum bandwidth capacity. Even if the network card isn't the limiting factor the servers speed may be. There are always conditions that limit usage.

As long as they are clear about their offer I have no objections. I just dislike deceptive advertising where something is unlimited or unmetered until you use to much. RackShack clearly specifies the limit: "10 mbps Network Connection" and tossed the word un-metered in to simply specify that you may use the full 10 mbps.

True unlimited can't exist as resources are always limited but beyond that companies usually only offer what can make them money and giving you everything for nothing doesn't work out financially. This is why you don't see many free hosting companies that offer you free hosting without advertising on your page, emails from sponsors, or other ways to get money from your account.
 
"Files larger than 1 Mb cannot be uploaded to the hostultra.com servers" <== This is what I'm laughing at .

That alone makes the site extremely restrictive ... more so than
a block on specific file types.

In example, we have a lot of users that have heavy FLASH
based web sites ... very often the streaming flash files are
far in excess of 1MB

It is also very common for users to store their original BMP,
TGA, or PSD graphics files along side their web images on
the web site. Those files also tend to be quite large.

The same goes for PHP scripts. It is very common for PHP
scripts to be more than 1MB. We see that every day on
thousands of web sites.


And for your FYI, we do not specify a specific limit on TRAFFIC
.... exactly what that says ..... that is by no means unlimited
and if you think it is, that is your own mistake. Each user is
evaluated on their site content and compared with the
averages of other users with similiar content to determine
their TRAFFIC limits. Instead of specifying one set limit
that applies to everyone, we evaluate each user on a case
by case basis and set limits accordingly.

(PS: you confused TRAFFIC and BANDWIDTH)

Oh by the way, the posting requirement isn't a limitation to
the hosting accounts but rather it is actually an enhancment.
The whole point is to deliberately slow down the new signups.

Providers that just plain offer "unlimited" everything or a lot
of features are usually overwhelmed with more users than
they can handle at a pace faster than their own expansion
will permit. Tech support tends to get crappy and they also
start over extending the resources by assigning the very same
web space to many users on the idea that some users might
not use their entire web space. The raw mass number of
users and overfilling of the servers causing intense slowdown
and the hosting provider ultimately dies ..... it's the same
cycle that repeats itself over and over again. You all know
what I'm talking about.

The posting requirement we have is one of the methods we
use to prevent that exact situation .... plus most of our users
actually love it and yes, we do get many praises for having it.

The other line item I hinted on above is YES, the web space
we assign to your account is guaranteed. We do not assign
your web space to anyone else on the presumption that you
probably won't use all your space. If you have 60MB as you
limit then that is precisely what you actually have .... not a
whover claims it first gets it deal like you find most places.
 
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Originally posted by amz
Providers that just plain offer "unlimited" everything or a lot
of features are usually overwhelmed with more users than
they can handle at a pace faster than their own expansion
will permit. Tech support tends to get crappy and they also
start over extending the resources by assigning the very same
web space to many users on the idea that some users might
not use their entire web space. The raw mass number of
users and overfilling of the servers causing intense slowdown
and the hosting provider ultimately dies ..... it's the same
cycle that repeats itself over and over again.
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Crosswinds.net is overwhelmed with more than a million users and they don't show any signs of dying (they are slow because of this though, but Tony Holmes said that their millions of users is actually an advantage, as CW has always been able to allow unmetered traffic, because with that many members, the cost per user is small).
 
Originally posted by unrage
i have unlimited space = 20 gb
and
i have umlimited bandwith = 70 gb
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I guess you never went to school. To not know what unlimited is.
 
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