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Erm, from last month, i've been waiting for RedRival to reopen their signups, until now, it isn't opened yet. Hmm, what's with them? So now, i have to go back to a freehost: Brinkster.com formerly eWebCity.com.

I know, Brinkster might not be the best or ideal webhost, but i can live with it. I like the asp support though, because i use <includes>, you know, i'm the lazy type of guy who never bothers to copy and paste the sidebar navigational menu of any kind.

Erm, just thought if there was a FWP with these features:

At least 20MB of space
Full cgi-bin support
SSI
*ASP, PHP support (not supported is ok)
Subdomain
*No ads (Banner is ok, but there should be an option for users to manually place the code)
*FTP (Browser upload is ok, but when there's CGI support who cares about browser uploads?)

Yep, that should be my basic requirements, if there really is a free host with these features, please tell me, i mean, those not found in this site. Bandwith is not a problem as i don't really know how to use em to the max. I didn't know about Gcities until i came to the forums. ;) Thank you in advance. :)
 
I don't know much good web hosts. Here's one I guess..

http://www.f2s.com

- 20 Mbytes of web space
- Frontpage 2000 support
- Advanced PHP4 scripting
- Perl cgi scripting
- Webalizer website statistics
- website Search Engine
- Database Servers
- http://www.YOURNAME.f2s.com ('cept they won't have you as YOURNAME.f2s.com I find that stupid)
- No ads
 
Greetings,

RedRival is currently in an upgrade phase and will hopefully be reinstating signups within a few weeks(just to let everyone know what's going on over here). :)

Farewell,
 
one thing though...I don't believe f2s.com has the option of ssi(the <includes> thing)...at least, it never worked when I tried them out.
 
try netcabins
i jus signed up there
and everything works very well so far
im pleased with it

or if ya wanted you could use hypermart
 
That I have no doubt of since Red Rival has never been a stable host. I can imagine that you must have to make a lot of excuses. (Gee, I wonder why? Maybe the NO ADS THING? Perhaps if you actually made some money things would be a lot more stable? DUH!)
 
Greetings,

I'm only referring to your insinuation that our upgrades and not accepting new users is related to the fact that we do not force ads. The fact of the matter is quite the opposite, really. RedRival is expanding past the limits of what our current system allows. Stopping new signups gives quality assurance to our current users, and future assurance to new users that, when they sign up, they can be assured of stability and speed. Since no one could know the logistics of our current system, and the upgrade path we must take, suffice to say our current system would not be able to sustain the many thousands of new signups we would be accepting while we went through the upgrade process. In our situation, forcing ads and drawing in just that much more money, wouldn't affect the upgrade process. Other FWP's procedures may be different than ours, and in their case, your opinions might be valid; in this case, they are not.

Farewell,


[Edited by Peo on 11-25-2000 at 05:02 PM]
 
I must say, redrival is the only ad free webhost I trust. F2S does have outside funding so they are a possibility but they could go at any time. Redrival has been around for quite a while and is showing that boundaries can be pushed. Though I generally agree with Ron about fly by night FWPs, he is also closed minded in his theory about things never changing; that there is only one way to produce revenue, etc. Redrival is living proof that Ron is wrong. Thanks a lot, Matt, I know all the redrival members love you!

-chris.
 
Care to explain Crosswinds then?!?! ;)

If they couldn't do it how do you expect Red Rival to? Red Rival in their wildest dreams will never be as big as Crosswinds yet they couldn't sustain ad-free hosting. What are the chances of any other ad-free FWP lasting?
 
perhaps that is the point.

Are crosswinds and redrival the same company? No. Do they have the same costs, user membership, or business plan? No. That's like comparing IBM and Apple. They offer the same thing, but have different methods of acheiving it.
 
Greetings,

Chris put it best, I suppose.

You seem to think all ad-free FWPs follow the same business model. Am I hinting at the fact that an ad-free host, relying solely on advertising can't make it? Not necessarily. Given enough content which visitors will find useful, interesting, informative and entertaining, advertising can be used in order to provide the revenue source to maintain and profit modestly while providing a much needed service to the user community, at large. As it is, some sites just can not contain advertising, as it may conflict with the subject matter, or perhaps defeat the purpose of the site. Ad-free, and cost free hosting is a service that many people are glad is still available, albeit hard, and getting harder, to find. Not-for-profit organizations, for example, standing for an issue which may conflict with the random advertising put on them at their host, simply would not have a site, if not for ad-free, cost-free hosting.

Of course, we all naturally have differing opinions on the matter, but there is definitely a niche market there to be filled, there are numerous ways to make money besides advertising directly via the site(sales, opt-in email marketing, etc.), and, as such, an ad-free, cost-free host can, in fact, be profitable. The way in which one company goes about attempting to profit from ad-free hosting has no direct correlation with the success of another company, simply due to the fact that advertising is not the only revenue stream available to online businesses.

Farewell,


[Edited by Matt on 11-26-2000 at 01:27 AM]
 
You seem to think all ad-free FWPs follow the same business model.
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They do! They all try to find other sources of revenue and fail miserably at it.

Given enough content which visitors will find useful, interesting, informative and entertaining, advertising can be used in order to provide the revenue source to maintain and profit modestly while providing a much needed service to the user community, at large.
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You're obviously NOT referring to Red Rival with that statement. Last time I checked (and I can't check right now since you technically don't exist at the moment) you didn't have any 'content'. What 'content' are you referring to?

As it is, some sites just can not contain advertising, as it may conflict with the subject matter, or perhaps defeat the purpose of the site.
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Perhaps they should pay for hosting then. It costs a whopping $5/month for no-frills hosting. Who can't afford that?

Not-for-profit organizations, for example, standing for an issue which may conflict with the random advertising put on them at their host, simply would not have a site, if not for ad-free, cost-free hosting.
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You seem to be inferring that not-for-profit organizations don't have ANY income at all. That's not true. Name me one 'not-for-profit' organization on earth that couldn't afford $5/month for a site. It wouldn't be much of an 'organization' if there wasn't any cashflow now would it?

Of course, we all naturally have differing opinions on the matter, but there is definitely a niche market there to be filled, there are numerous ways to make money besides advertising directly via the site(sales,
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'Sales' of what? I can't think of anything that an ad-free FWP could possibly offer for 'sale' to its members (short of upgraded hosting options which would technically then make it a paid host). Can you?

opt-in email marketing, etc.)
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Just what everyone wants more of....SPAM! Opt-in or not it's still a pain in the butt. Do you belong to any opt-in email lists (newsletters excluded of course)? I sure don't and I don't have any intention of starting anytime soon. Why would I accept it from my host just for the account?

and, as such, an ad-free, cost-free host can, in fact, be profitable.
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Again, you musn't be referring to Red Rival with that sentence. If Red Rival was 'profitable' there wouldn't be any need to turn off signups now would there be? If it was profitable then turning off signups would actually slow your income. The more signups the more income if you're profitable.

The way in which one company goes about attempting to profit from ad-free hosting has no direct correlation with the success of another company, simply due to the fact that advertising is not the only revenue stream available to online businesses.
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You seem to be discreetly trying to distance yourself from Crosswinds with every sentence here. I seem to remember how you looked up to them and admired them and now that they've dropped the ball you're trying to prove how different you are. Rather ironic don't you think?

Farewell,
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I also find it ironic how you used to sign off with 'Bye...' and now you use 'Farewell'. Perhaps a sign of things to come?
 
Hello,
Greetings,

I should've clarified Opt-in Email Marketing, as I meant to refer to newsletters, digests, etc. with advertising opportunities in them, not necessarily advertising solely.

I don't refer to RedRival in any of my statements(I attempt not to) to remain objective. One should have no need of defending their business model. "Deeds Speak", as they say.

Granted, I don't know of many organizations that wouldn't be able to afford hosting, in today's ultra competitive market, but there are those few, most likely, small organizations that may not be able to afford hosting.

Sales of webmaster, hosting, developer, etc., related items. Software, books, music(I like to listen to music while doing work), office supplies. It needn't be utterly targetted towards hardcore webmasters.

Again, you equate being profitable to not being forced to turn off signups. I explained this a few posts up. Also, this is an entrepreneurial business, you don't start off with a half a million bucks to blow. You start by minimizing costs while maximizing efficiency, productivity and revenue and you grow each part from there. Once a suitable profit margin is met to allow the expenditures required to foresee and fend off these situations, then certainly one can buy tens of thousands in equipment expanding, and never reaching the critical mass where resources are satisfactorially aligned with revenue; hence waste, something businesses are always striving to cut.

I'm not conciouslly trying to distance RedRival from Crosswinds.net. Crosswinds.net is the reason RedRival became a reality and I still highly respect the personalities and attitudes of those who run it. My sole point was that each business had their own model of how to maintain profitability, and one can not judge one company on a generilization or on the business model of another company, as I'm sure you are unaware of the finer points of Crosswind's longterm goals.

If I sign off with "Farewell", instead of "Bye..."...what am I saying? Fare well..., fare thee well. Have a good day, or a wish to stay in good health, essentially.

Bye...
Farewell,
 
Some of us at RedRival told Matt we'd be more than happy to sign up for an opt-in newsletter - with ads. I think we suggested it to him. I hope that it works out.
 
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