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[deeplist]

But to get back on topic here, I have a way that we could try to keep this unnecessary critisizim at a minimal.

How about everytime we see somebody complaining about a free host simply because they don't offer enough space, of don't have all the scripts they think needed, how about you point it out and show them the error of their ways.

Hopfully we can start an epidemic and get more and more people to show their helpfull side rather than their worthless two cents every posts that hacks at free webspace providers such as myself and many others who use this forum.

 

[Muttle.com]

But then again, there's the rich kid that has the money to buy the expensive lunch everyday, finish it off with ice cream, and wash it all down with a couple milk shakes. This same kid comes on the internet, and sees webhosting for $4 a month, and finds it absolutely abhorrent that someone would want to charge him for the 10 gigabytes of transfer they throw in, preferring maybe a $5 yearly charge.

I see the same thing with incentivized offers. People will jump through hoops, sign up for all kinds of offers, fill in surveys, give away all kinds of personal details, and give all their friend's email addresses to be spammed, all for a $2 reward they will likely never see as the minimum payout is $50, and it took them a week of hard work to get that far. My point is that people will do anything to avoid having to pay a few bucks on the internet. They'll put up with autospawning popups, shoddy uptime, having their email addresses spammed all over the place, and all for being able to use less than a gigabyte of transfer a month, which would cost you maybe a buck or two a month (from the right place, never pay more than $3 a gigabyte).

How hard is it really to make $4 a month off of a site to warrant hosting? This brings me to my next point: if your site can not make enough money to cover the costs, then maybe it's not making the freehost much either, so you really can't complain.

 

[we647]

the true meaning of free,or the so call free ones

theres different degrees of free, in the true sense, if something free u dont expect nothing in return. like giving a gift.

now we see various parts of free, the free ones like host.sk,dont ask for nothing as an example.free in the true sense

some reguire a txt link, nothing wrong with that. to the ones require u to run a static ad,which nothing wrong with that .

to giving away your personal info [to be sold or whatever] to the extreme to get something"free". and trying to dlexes files with a million popups

like some are doing now. everything wrong with that!!!!!

and everything in between,


so maybe the topic or forum should be." ill provde this if u do that in return for my services"

and not say its free because its not. unless u use the true sense and spirit of what free means

 

[Muttle.com]

so maybe the topic or forum should be." ill provde this if u do that in return for my services"

and not say its free because its not. unless u use the true sense and spirit of what free means

From Dictionary.com, when used as an adjective, as it is here:

Free adv.
1. In a free manner; without restraint.
2. Without charge.


As you can clearly see, it fits the second meaning, as you are charged nothing. Now, some may call ads restraining, so let's look at that term:

restraint n.
1. The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained.
2. Loss or abridgment of freedom.

The first definition uses the word in the definition, and therefore is nothing but confusing, so we'll use the second one. Now, freedom as we see it is the ability to do whatever you want
within the rules or laws. For example, America is called the land of the free, because although you can do most what you want, you cannot kill someone or do anything that harms others. In a similar way, freehosting allows most anything that won't harm them (others) or your fellow freehosters (others). Therefore, in the context and way we use the word freedom, most freehosts are without restraint in the way that's deemed appropriate to ensure survival of the service, and are fully entitled to call themselves, "free" hosts .

 

[we647]

using free

LETS BREAK IT DOWN FROM US, FREE USERS
Free adv.
1. In a free manner; without restraint.

this is what most people think as free

restraint n.
1. The act of restraining or the condition of being restrained
this is what most people thinK of not free.



the "FREE" hosting is a service on both ends, if u place a ad on a free site as a CONDITION OF YOUR SERVICE THAN THE PERSON THAT HAS THAT SITE IS PROVIDING U WITH WITH HITS= A INCOME

SO IN THE END I STILL STAND BY:
so maybe the topic or forum should be." ill provde this if u do that in return for my services"

and not say its free because its not. unless u use the true sense and spirit of what free means.


dont get me wrong, ill provide my service of being hosted by your service of providing me of that service

in otherwords a tos,lol and ads,

but not dl exes files in a million pop-ups or using my personal info to sell

 

[Muttle.com]

Re: using free

Originally posted by we647
SO IN THE END I STILL STAND BY:
so maybe the topic or forum should be." ill provde this if u do that in return for my services"

and not say its free because its not. unless u use the true sense and spirit of what free means.

Actually, what I probably could have summed up in a sentence instead of quoting a dictionary is: when you have a driver's license, do you refer to it as a "driver's license" or "a peice of plastic entitling me to operate a motor vehicle, though not above the posted speed limit and not even that high when in bad weather, and may not be operated while intoxicated or under the influence of any drug, may not be used as a weapon, must stay on the correct side of the road..." and etc.

We'll go with free hosting and leave it implied that nothing in life is fully free, even churches collect donations (and people understand that they too have costs, why not on the web?).

<edit>Sorry for the off-topic discussion about the meaning of words, I'm sure neither of us intended to change the flow of the thread </edit>

 

[we647]

hey muttle, i still believe in free lunch

i just got a free lunch at the casino, but cost me a 100.00 to get it

just joking, but like i said there various degrees of free. us users see free different than u providers thats all, the root of problem. sumed up in a nutshell.

also people by human nature tend to complain, free or not as we see in alot of the threads.

also we see and post alot of free info, either here or at our own boards, i promote alot of u free hosts, and give honest reviews i think from what i see here and my own experience with that host.

we give and take that feedback and process it to the best of our abilities, to use, to expand on it , or just throw it out,

but that lies the beuty of having open forums,to learn!

 

[allanh]

So, would the pharmacetical companies' freebies to doctors considered as "freebies"? Or should they be called "payment" for doctors to prescribe their drugs? I love those free pens they give and certainly don't feel obliged to repay those companies with favours. But on the other hand, those companies expected doctors to use their drugs.

Anyway, I think that it is useless to argue over the definition. After all, it is a free society and there is such thing as freedom of speech. You can't stop people from talking about you and webhosts ( free or not) should accept that as a fact.

 

[Muttle.com]

You're right, freedom of speech does exist, but I believe an issue should be brought up with the host before the host is badmouthed on a forum, and may not even know it, therefore having no chance to defend themselves. You may not care if people talk about you behind your back, but in the business world, it hurts .

 

[zz4]

free ========

I read these forums over time and am baffled by the amount of people in here that demand great space..big bandwidth...all the fancy stuff...cgi,perl,php,asp,etc.etc. Sure...I love the perl ability but maybe I have to pay for it? I see people that demand that their 30 year collection of mp3's be hosted free.


Complain about FREE ? Some of it comes natural. If a free host is nothing but one big problem I kind of look at it like...it took me some time and effort to even sign up but the stupid place does not work most the time or is a big broken machine.Anybody know of these places?

Then theres the FREE that equals pay either in 48 hours or after they get out of their beta testing.

Then theres the 24/7 keeping up to your free hosting.Gotta keep tuned daily for the constant changes.Take a week vacation and your site is gone because you did not edit it every 72 hours.

oooo---the pop-ups !!!! everybody loves them !!!!! I guess they pay the host but pop-ups sell anything? -- or chase people away? I think most see pop-ups and EXIT FAST.


OK-- In the age of 'free is dead' I've paid for website hosting...now at 5 different places.... I'm non-commercial non-profit and just enjoy putting up websites. Sort of like the old educational internet.

NOW...what strikes me? Why o Why am I paying to put educational information on the web? I'm stupid. Next year..forget it....

The internet is close to being nothing but dialing up to 'the yellow pages'.(here in usa the phone books have a section 'yellow pages'...nothing but business)

No longer the free playground of the multi-millions.Its only usefulness is to try to sell something..or look to buy something.===kinda makes boring web-surfing....

In 2002 I see abandoned personal websites eveywhere.Anybody getting turned off by the 'yellow pages' internet?


So I look at it like if ANYBODY is nice enough to offer free hosting WONDERFUL !!!!! (minus a few of things mentioned earlier)

If its 5mb or 15mb minus all the fancy stuff its at least free space. Remember if you read a newspaper or magazine what you read is surrounded by ads.(but they don't pop out and ruin your nerves)


As to host who started this thread...thanks for anything FREE...--- but a 15k image limit? My grandmothers picture jpg might hit 150k. At least 150k covers most any normal photo image. Ever see a 15k photo jpg?

 

[deeplist]

Well for starters, I have a 25k limit, not 15k.

Also I do this so that it is fair for everybody I host. So not just one person with an image gallery of 50+ high-res pictures, each 100k+ is using up all the resources when a user opens up their gallery. As for posting high-res digital photographs. That is fine, but I don't want the enormously huge images eating up my bandwidth that I have to cover each month. They can always be sized down.

In my sence when it is a FREE host, that means it is free. You can not judge whether a host is free or not based on the services that are offered and if ads are displayed or not. It should be based on what YOU physicaly have to pay to use the service provided.

That brings me back to my very first point. If you are not paying a damn thing, there where do you have the room to complain. UNLESS (as posted before) the host provides faulty administration or shotty managment?!

 

[cirque]

Ehm, not so....

If someone demands that you put up with ads, it's NOT free.

 

[Jan]

Deeplist, I can empathise with you. I held off commenting all day, but kept an eye on this thread.

There was a time I avoided this particular forum because of all the trashy posts, the potty mouthed members that wanted the world for free. But now as a moderator I have to make a bit of an appearance in here.

I wish you luck with your hosting, but I don't think we can change the mentality of those that want everything for free. There will always be complaints, there will always be those who want unlimited, even though there have been countless posts saying "there is no such thing as unlimited!!"

There will always be those that abuse the terms of hosts, who end up closing them down with their illegal content, hence the banning of certain IP addresses. All the arguments won't change it, and I doubt many of the potty mouths have even read this thread or any others dealing with major hosting issues.

I have no problem with your file size, for a nice legitimate site it is ample. Any bigger and I would probably leave their sites anyway
(my larger site has over 2,000 files, space taken 30Mb, with 90Mbs to spare)

The main reason for this post is, whilst many support you, there will be 75% that don't, because they want everything - NOW. Spoilt kids maybe? Maybe they should ask daddy to get them paid hosting

 

[deeplist]

Well said Jan, you hit it right on.

 

[cirque]

Well, I guess there are some fine lines here. Sometimes hosting are for "free" - no payment, no ads, no posting in some forum. Good.

But more often than not, you see offers involving pop-ups, ads, banners, links. These aren't for free. I agree with you that it's stupid to start a row over the fact that you HAVE to put up with this (after all they're part of the deal), I can not see how you can say that it's the same as free hosting.

So I think people have the right to bash their host if they are requested to put up banners all over their site. You could turn everything around: "I'll put your ads on my site if you give me space and transfer".

 

[Jan]

Originally posted by cirque
So I think people have the right to bash their host if they are requested to put up banners all over their site. You could turn everything around: "I'll put your ads on my site if you give me space and transfer".

I think you are missing the point. The hosting IS free for you, but it costs the host to have YOU on board. Who pays for that? They are not millionaires out to do a good turn for hangers on. They need to offset costs, and whilst I don't agree with the hosts who have multiple popups/unders, you should expect SOME form of advertising.

You don't want ANY advertising? Simple, go without at least one junk food a month and pay for hosting

 

[deeplist]

The word free (as stated above) means involving NO cost. When you don't pay nothing, that is free. When you don't pay anything but there is an ad. That is STILL free. I don't understand why you guys think that just because there is an ad displayed on your pages that makes it NOT free? You still are not paying anything are you?

Why do you think this is even called "FreeWebSpace.net"

FREE is withough cost. If for a moment I did look at things the way you guys did, then why would anybody ever make a forum to discuss YOUR version if a free host? There are very few hosts that YOUR so called FREE fits into. That forum would die.

 

[deeplist]

Here is a little something I just thought of. Take the add at the very top of this page for example:

Free Web Hosting - With Netfirms FREE Hosting you get 25MB Diskspace, 1GB /Month Data Transfer, FrontPage Server Extensions, Full CGI / Perl, Free Subdomains, WebStats, Counters, and Friendly Support - all for FREE!

Ahemm . . . notice in the heading: "Free Web Hosting"
Also notice at the ending: "All for FREE!"

As for what I know (and I am 100% sure on this), doesn't NetFirms place a banner ad of every page? Yes, they do. And why does this say "FREE" on it then according to your definition.

Are you suggesting the webmaster who placed this doesn't know what "FREE" really means, or are you guys just ignorant punks who has twisted views to justify your cheep penny pinching ways?!

 

[Jan]

Originally posted by cirque
Well, I guess there are some fine lines here. Sometimes hosting are for "free" - no payment, no ads, no posting in some forum. Good.

But bad when you offer hosting and never follow it through. here are just two threads of yours where you made an offer and didn't follow it up. :confused2

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28670
http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26378

At least these hosts are trying to do the right thing, okay some are very shonky and don't last 2 days, but they do make the attempt.

 

[Mazinkaiser]

First and foremost, this is when I wish that the English language had less words that mean the same thing and more words for things that mean different aspects of one thing. There's this whole raging debate about what constitutes as "free" or not. Free as in "without restraint" means freedom of movement or action. Free as in "free webspace" means "you don't have to pay us a cent." And we're going to argue on lexicons because the English language, is, arguably one of the most ridiculous in existence. Think of it, in what other language does burn UP and burn DOWN have similar (but not exact) meanings? (you burn up something, but burn down a building...) or the plural for mouse is mice but the plural for house isn't hice. We have so many ways of saying the same thing, and no way to say others.

Think of the greeks, they had over 10 different words (I think) that can only be translated as "love" - (I know eros - where we get the word erotic- and agape, or love between siblings)


Now for the medicine post, in one sense, they are free because doctors don't pay for it - they are samples. On the other hand, they are not free because the cost of making them is still passed on to the consumer. This is one reason medicines in my country are ridiculously expensive - lots of money on advertising and give aways for doctors. (and the give aways there in the US are MUCH better - I remember getting ballpens that dry up after two days...)


I still stand by my, er...stand! , which is I'll take what you give me, and I'll be grateful, but I shouldn't expect too much for free. The Chinese have a culture that shows the proper attitude towards this: if ever one is given a gift, he should try to politely refuse at first (to show that he is ashamed to take something for free), but eventually take the gift with smiles and bows (even if the gift isn't exactly tops on one's wish list). ALSO, the next time HE has a chance to give a gift to the first giver, it should be of equal or greater value. I know. I get a lot of free gifts from my in-laws and I feel sick that I haven't given them much back yet (just starting out in life...)

Sigh. End of rant. :confused2