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"Alcohol ruins Aboriginals".

Reminds me of "All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff (referring to marijuana) is what makes them crazy."
Source: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm
I don't know what you mean by that comment, if you're inferring my comment was racist you need to have a hard look at yourself - it is common knowledge that Aboriginal's bodies are not built for alcohol consumption, it's a quantifiable unquestioned fact - backed up by history. When the Europeans came and settled in Australia there were 3 things that killed the aboriginals - 1. Europeans killing them, 2. European diseases and 3. Alcohol. Anyone who knows even just a tiny bit about history knows that. It was a combination of Alcohol and European disease that killed off the entire Tasmanian aboriginal population after European settlement. Everyone knows that, it's a fact.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=21112
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=146&ContentID=57376

By the way, I see the way international media responded to the recent action in the NT as both disrespectful and dishonest. The situation occurred exactly as I described it in my previous post (and I've not read any government reports on it - I'm going by my friends who have had first-hand experience in aboriginal communities in the NT over the past 10 years). I see international media claiming:

1. Aborigines face alcohol ban after report on child sex abuse
2. Australia bans alcohol on Aboriginal land

Both are rubbish. The law is indiscriminate - all people in the Northern Territory are treated equally under the new legislation restricting alcohol - not just Aboriginals. I could have said clearly that it needed to be done way before the federal government did anything - and there are plenty of other people I know that have been aware of the crisis far before any government report - and most people in Australia have been aware of many of the specific problems aboriginals have been facing (like high youth-suicide and high crime rates) even if they've not been aware of the child abuse that's been happening.

For people who claim the Church "covers up sexual abuse allegations and doesn't act upon them" they should be far more concerned with the Northern Territory Labour Government who has known for many years about the abuse (I know people who have personally informed members of the government years ago that action needed to be taken) - and yet the government didn't act, and did ignore the problem. What the Catholic Church in America (in particular) has done in regards to "covering up sexual abuse allegations" is no worse then any government that has done the same thing.

When a 10 year old gets pregnant you don't think "oh what a little ----" - you think "how long has this abuse been going on for?" - It could have been going on for 4 or 5 years and then she started menstruating and bang she's pregnant. That's the kind of abuse that happens there and next to child trafficking it is the very worst form of child abuse there is.

Sep clearly knows about this, he's an Australian. Sep would also be aware that there have been about 500 people with some form of leadership in an Australian church (not necessarily a Christian church) found guilty of sexually assaulting a minor. I agree, that's a lot. But they were hardly all priests, most of them did not involve penetration; and I believe you'll find in the vast majority of those cases no one from the church has tried to cover anything up (besides the perpetrator themselves). <edit> I should also point out that the figure I quoted does not mean they abused children from the church, and also that it's obvious that a paedophile is going to try and exploit any opportunity to have contact with children. That means, for instance, that a paedophile is likely to try and seek out leadership in a church so they can abuse the children, and it is the Church's responsibility to prevent this from happening. </edit> He has been dishonest on this point, and has not recognized the Christian efforts that have gone towards preventing child abuse, which way outweigh the actions of a few criminals who have committed these crimes. Furthermore, 1 in 4 girls, and 1 in 7 boys in Australia are sexually abused - so it's hardly surprising around 500 people with some form of leadership in an Australian church have been found guilty of child abuse.
 
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I don't know what you mean by that comment, if you're inferring my comment was racist you need to have a hard look at yourself - it is common knowledge that Aboriginal's bodies are not built for alcohol consumption, it's a quantifiable unquestioned fact - backed up by history. When the Europeans came and settled in Australia there were 3 things that killed the aboriginals - 1. Europeans killing them, 2. European diseases and 3. Alcohol. Anyone who knows even just a tiny bit about history knows that. It was a combination of Alcohol and European disease that killed off the entire Tasmanian aboriginal population after European settlement. Everyone knows that, it's a fact.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ontentID=21112
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ontentID=57376

By the way, I see the way international media responded to the recent action in the NT as both disrespectful and dishonest. The situation occurred exactly as I described it in my previous post (and I've not read any government reports on it - I'm going by my friends who have had first-hand experience in aboriginal communities in the NT over the past 10 years). I see international media claiming:

1. Aborigines face alcohol ban after report on child sex abuse
2. Australia bans alcohol on Aboriginal land

Both are rubbish. The law is indiscriminate - all people in the Northern Territory are treated equally under the new legislation restricting alcohol - not just Aboriginals. I could have said clearly that it needed to be done way before the federal government did anything - and there are plenty of other people I know that have been aware of the crisis far before any government report - and most people in Australia have been aware of many of the specific problems aboriginals have been facing (like high youth-suicide and high crime rates) even if they've not been aware of the child abuse that's been happening.
Prohibition solves all of societies problems!
Remember how well it worked for us?
Oh, and alcohol is the devil.

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Seriously. So there's a high rate of youth crime and suicide among Aboriginals. Have you been to Los Angeles? The ---- happens no matter where it is. Stop trying to be a nanny and let people exist without your overbearing morals.
 
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*SIGH*

Ben, I should -neg you for your comments, but I'm not going to.

The.N.T.IS.NOT.ON.PROHIBITION. Get your facts straight.
Seriously. So there's a high rate of youth crime and suicide among Aboriginals. Have you been to Los Angeles? The ---- happens no matter where it is. Stop trying to be a nanny and let people exist without your overbearing morals.
Aboriginal Suicide is Different - Used as the TITLE of a report on a GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.

Your comments are highly offensive, Ben. I've already received enough negative feedback for this thread defending the truth by siding with reality and providing facts and in context.

"Eh, I agree with Sep/Judge Fudge, you're influenced too much by the media."

-wow, I could have sworn about 0.0% of anything I've said came from a general media source. :tired2:
 
If it's not about prohibition then why did you express positive sentiment towards a region-wide alcohol ban?

"Aboriginal suicide is different." So is youth suicide in Japan. So is suicide here in Atlanta. Every place on earth isn't going to have the same negative stimuli that influence someone's decision to take their own life. How about you stop trying to act like a nanny and let people get on with their lives? You obviously need a reality check. Only Christians are inherently good, Aboriginals can't take care of themselves / handle alcohol so we need to do something / stop them from drinking, etc.

All this coming from the man who thinks drug dealers should receive life in prison. Meksilon, you really need to learn how to not interfere with others lives unless they seek out your help. I don't know anything about the child abuse situations and I wasn't referring to that, by the way.
 
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If it's not about prohibition then why did you express positive sentiment towards a region-wide alcohol ban?
:tired2: I said it's a dry state I never said alcohol was banned.
"Aboriginal suicide is different." So is youth suicide in Japan. So is suicide here in Atlanta. Every place on earth isn't going to have the same negative stimuli that influence someone's decision to take their own life. How about you stop trying to act like a nanny and let people get on with their lives? You obviously need a reality check. Only Christians are inherently good, Aboriginals can't take care of themselves / handle alcohol so we need to do something / stop them from drinking, etc.
Okay, now you do get a -neg rep. :tired2: Stop putting words in my mouth Ben. I never said only Christians are inherently good. :tired2: I never said Aboriginals can't take care of themselves. :tired2: And the FACT their bodies cannot handle alcohol is a proven scientific fact. Aboriginals who abuse alcohol are a magnitude more likely to die from alcohol related diseases then anyone else. :tired2: Show some ******* respect for them and stop saying their problems don't exist and that we shouldn't be doing anything.

Your comments about aboriginal suicide not being different is completely outrageous - I don't think I've ever felt more offended in my life. You don't seem to know anything about their situation and yet you think you have a more valid opinion then that of the majority of the Australian people? :tired2:

If I receive one more neg rep I leave the forum. Feel free to do it now.

Bye.
 
:tired2: I said it's a dry state I never said alcohol was banned.

Okay, now you do get a -neg rep. :tired2: Stop putting words in my mouth Ben. I never said only Christians are inherently good. :tired2: I never said Aboriginals can't take care of themselves. :tired2: And the FACT their bodies cannot handle alcohol is a proven scientific fact. Aboriginals who abuse alcohol are a magnitude more likely to die from alcohol related diseases then anyone else. :tired2: Show some ******* respect for them and stop saying their problems don't exist and that we shouldn't be doing anything.

Your comments about aboriginal suicide not being different is completely outrageous - I don't think I've ever felt more offended in my life. You don't seem to know anything about their situation and yet you think you have a more valid opinion then that of the majority of the Australian people? :tired2:

If I receive one more neg rep I leave the forum. Feel free to do it now.

Bye.
I would, but I already negged you. Oh, and I didn't say it wasn't different - I said every suicide demographic is different. Aboriginals aren't going to commit suicide because they're worried about not getting into college and dishonoring their family, and likewise the Japanese tend to not commit suicide because they dishonored their set and pissed off another set and will be killed soon anyways. Speaking of putting words in my mouth, oh and what I said wasn't a quote from you verbatim, but inferred from your posts earlier in the topic. You don't see us trying to be a nanny to everybody that wants to commit suicide. I admit I don't know the finer details of this "suicide epidemic" in Australia, but from what I gather in this topic it's just a bunch of condescending, elitist ----s that are trying to interfere in someone else's business.
 
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I admit I don't know the finer details of this "suicide epidemic" in Australia
Then you don't know that Australia has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I have better things to do then to argue with uneducated people who show no respect and have a clear lack of general knowledge and get all their knowledge from Wikipedia. :tired2:

I've been negged, I'm gone.
 
Then you don't know that Australia has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I have better things to do then to argue with uneducated people who show no respect and have a clear lack of general knowledge and get all their knowledge from Wikipedia. :tired2:

I've been negged, I'm gone.

you cant go, you have an excellent taste in movies and your cannibal holocaust is a great read ;[
 
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