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Problems with Asian users?

Efil

Efil

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I'll appreciate if you could discuss (elaborately) any problems you have (or believe may have had) encountered with Asian users. As an Asian netizen myself, I'm particularly interested in these kind of issues, and I hope we can come up with something that will address these issues and provide solutions to them.

A significant number of our community members are Asians, and though we are not here to rule the world...I believe we are not exactly what you may dread about. :biggrin2:
 
I've met quite a few perfectly nice Asians as well, there's a couple of them that frequent the IRCs I am on regularly. In fact other than the usual talk about the great firewall and it being notoriously easy to get past, they are the same honest hardworking people you can find anywhere else.

The problem with allowing subscriptions from Asian countries is these signups are far more frequently used for spam and fraud purposes than from other regions. I've heard horror stories from my upstream provider about signups from the asian markets sending several thousand phishing emails per hour, and in at least one incident he was actually picked up by a federal government officer for questioning because one of his customers had used their account to send threatening messages to the government.

It's just one of those where most likely if you talk to somebody first and make an arrangement to host them you should be fine, since you kind of know who they are and what they're making. The problems come in when you try to post a relatively automated signup system, it ends up collecting so much bad traffic from such regions that it becomes hazardous to a business's reputation.
 
Hey. Hey. Stop talking about Asians in common. We are not bad people. There may be some of them. But we are playing decent :D
 
The abuse rate from *most* Asian countries is higher than than normal, but less than the abuse rate from middle eastern countries. There is nothing you can do to change that, it is what it is. Not saying all are bad, but from statistics, it's true.
 
jphilipson said:
well, when from personal experience, every exploit, or hacking attempt I see in my own free hosting and working in the hosting industry comes from mostly the middle eastern countries, followed by the far east. So that makes it a TRUTH for me, not a lie.
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to be honest, it could a the same user registering accounts using different IPs.
most asian country's ISP are giving dynamic IP to their users.
so when these abusive users get their IP banned, they will just restart their modem and get a new IP and continue to do something abusive.
these acts might be 1 of the reason why the statistic is shown that way.
 
CS Squad said:
to be honest, it could a the same user registering accounts using different IPs.
most asian country's ISP are giving dynamic IP to their users.
so when these abusive users get their IP banned, they will just restart their modem and get a new IP and continue to do something abusive.
these acts might be 1 of the reason why the statistic is shown that way.
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Anyway that's correct. We just need to restart our modem or router to get a new IP. But we don't use it to fraud signups :/ We restart our connection when we lost our internet connection. (it happens most of the time:) )
 
We cannot say with 100% accuracy that Asians are good or bad users. I am also aware of the fact that many spammers do come from Asia. Not to mention our finetraders gmail account being spammed by Japanese email spammers (mostly porn site related) every minute of an hour, but hey, the statistics shows that English spams are rather outrageous. Sometimes I even learn from their tactics and make fun of it myself.

Seraphim said:
The problems come in when you try to post a relatively automated signup system, it ends up collecting so much bad traffic from such regions that it becomes hazardous to a business's reputation.
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I can see for now that automatic sign up scripts are suffering the most damage, does this banning by region really works? As far as I can see, it will only take one spammer or cracker to knock-down your server, and not all bad Asians live in Asia...not to mention the bad non-Asians.
 
CS Squad said:
to be honest, it could a the same user registering accounts using different IPs.
most asian country's ISP are giving dynamic IP to their users.
so when these abusive users get their IP banned, they will just restart their modem and get a new IP and continue to do something abusive.
these acts might be 1 of the reason why the statistic is shown that way.
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Listen, I'm not saying all Asians are bad people. Or all Middle Eastern people are. Trust me on this topic, I'm a systems admin for a hosting company with hundreds of servers as well as my own free hosting. I don't think it's the same people cycling their modems.
 
hmm, this topic reminds me on 1 of the thread about wanted to IP ban the whole range of china IP.... u forget who was the 1 who posted it...

anyway, from wat i see, banning the whole IP range is not really a good solution...
coz there is possibilities that those bad guys from china will use other country's proxy to bypass the ban.

and i often see ppl is using china proxies to do bad things as well.... while these bad guys most of them is not from china...

anyway, wat i mean is, spammers and phishers are at everywhere in the world, it is hard for us to determine where r they come from or where r they "really" come from....
 
I have a few paid users on paid services, and their account looks pretty clean. But on free server, I see abuse from asian countries.
 
I am thinking of building an Asian filter community site that will serve as the gateway for those Asians who are good users. Right now we have a network of good community members from Thailand, Vietnam, China, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong, India and Japan. What you will do as a free webhost is to direct all your Asian signups (applications) to this community site and our community site members will do the manual checking and verifications of these Asian applicants. We then forward to you with joint responsibility, all the applicants that we have confirmed as legit users. What do you think? Anyone willing to participate in this idea?
 
To be honest, talking from quite a good few years of experience, and I hate being stereotypical. The asian community can either be the most reliable or the most threatening. But there's frauds and spammers from every area. Some of my sites have been broken into but only by the Turkish. I've dealt with someone from the UK on it.

Its just theres more of it in certain parts of the world because of laws and how freely they get let off.
 
In my experience, abusers are everywhere in the world. There is no a specific locations for them. Check out a Hackers forum if you want a proof.
ABUSERS EVERYWHERE !!!
 
JonnyH said:
But there's frauds and spammers from every area. Some of my sites have been broken into but only by the Turkish. I've dealt with someone from the UK on it.
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Do you mean, there's a third party in UK who suffered a loss/damage and filed a claim on you?


JonnyH said:
Its just theres more of it in certain parts of the world because of laws and how freely they get let off.
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I agree. And I'm always concerned about how we can weed "some" of them out for the benefit of those who have reasonable needs.
 
Efil said:
Do you mean, there's a third party in UK who suffered a loss/damage and filed a claim on you?
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No not really, someone had a problem with our free host, broke in. We traced him back and reported him to the ISP.
 
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