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Get out the rating scale...

Looks excellent! I give it a 9 in IE4+ but a 4 with NS4+.

It looks bad on Netscape. Spacing and sizing is horrible.
It looks like you designed it for IE only because you used IFRAMES...


I think you should have a different version of the site for Netscape users if you're planning to keep this layout.
 
He probably intended for the scrollbar to be the same color as the background...
Very good organization! 9
I think maybe it would be better if the visitor knew where to go up and down on your scrollbar.
 
I will change the color of the scrollbar but I am not going to work with Netscape. Sure I may lose a little business if someone goes there who is using NS but that god damn browser is way to finicky :p

And yes, maybe next week there is an option of sending NS users to a diff page.

Mekhu
 
Originally posted by Mekhu
I will change the color of the scrollbar but I am not going to work with Netscape. Sure I may lose a little business if someone goes there who is using NS but that god damn browser is way to finicky :p

And yes, maybe next week there is an option of sending NS users to a diff page.

Mekhu
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Yeah, send them to a text-only page. :D
 
Not to offend, but it really doesn't look very good for a web design company to not even be able to make their own website cross-browser compliant.

I'm not a designer, but I try to make all my sites identical in Netscape 6 and IE 5 (haven't tried IE 6 yet) and have them degrade well in Netscape 4. If your HTML is so browser dependent that you actually have to make separate pages for each possible browser that could be used, I think it's time to go through a "clean up" your code.

And, one more word of advice. Never, never, never build your website using only one browser then after it's finished try to patch it up so it looks "okay" in the others. When I'm laying out a new page, I have three sometimes four browsers open simultaneously and I make sure that after every change I make nothing unexpected is happening in any of them. It may seem like a lot of work, but it saves you an immense amount of trouble in the end.
 
Dusty, I understand exactly what you are saying. My old web-site was completed using cross browser compatability and it looked like shit. Coding for Netscape means you are going to lose a lot of the minor things that make your page looks really good.

So why not make to versions, this way you don't "punish" the people using IE with a shit page.

Mekhu
 
A properly written page will look almost if not exactly the same in IE and NS. NS strictly adheres to web standards, whereas IE will let you be a sloppy as you want and it cleans up after you. A bad looking page is not the fault of Netscape, it's the fault of the designer. Loose a lot of minor things? Such as...? Nothing on your website can't be done in Netscape (save the scollbars, then again, even they can be replicated in NS but I don't recommend it).
 
This is where I definately beg to differ with you. Give it, I am only 19 and in my first year of web design at college but I do not agree with you sloppiness theory when it comes to Internet Explorer. Things such as i-frames, css, etc have nothing to do with being sloppy but with the limits of NS.

I agree that a well designed page should work in both, this is why I designed my last page the way I did however. With the ability to use the tools that IE has to offer, you can offer IE users a better and more "pleasent" online experience.

I must say that Netscape has come a long way since 4.x and that yes NS 6.x supports a lot more features. However, things such as css, custom form fields, etc are still lacking compared to what IE offers.

Basically it comes down to the fact that I feel I would much rather offer an IE user all that their browser can handle and when it comes to NS you'll get what I give you.

Now, on another note, as a designer I must design with all browsers in mind when it comes to a client site, when that time comes I will...

If you look at my portfolio you'll notice pretty much all those sites only work in IE. This is because when I started web-design, I worked for a local company that taught me many bad habits :(

Thanks for all you input,

Mekhu
 
Originally posted by Mekhu
Dusty, I understand exactly what you are saying. My old web-site was completed using cross browser compatability and it looked like shit. Coding for Netscape means you are going to lose a lot of the minor things that make your page looks really good.

So why not make to versions, this way you don't "punish" the people using IE with a shit page.

Mekhu
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No kidding. Make it server side though so no one knows it. Use PHP to check the browser and then print the right page.

I give your site a 9 because it's great! The only thing I didn't care for was the IFRAMES because I'm against frame completely.
 
I just like the idea of the main page not having to reload each time the user selects an option.

Mekhu
 
You've not yet answered my question. What on your website can't be done in Netscape? Netscape supports CSS, iFrames, I'm not certain what you mean by "customer form elements" but it probably supports those too.

If I had the time I'd re-write your page and show you how it can be made to look identical in both IE and Netscape, but I don't. Maybe latter tonight or tomorrow. My point is you can, if you're careful, build a website that looks and works exactly the same in IE and Netscape, and I'm not talking about just a simple static page either.

IE is notorious for allowing sloppy code, from simple things like unclosed tables to more complex things like scripting. That's one of the reasons IE is so popular. Let's say Bob is making his first page. He makes it using the browser that came with his computer, IE. He's new to building websites, and makes many mistakes, but he doesn't know that because IE "fixes" them for him. Joe wants to look at Bob's page, but since it's so poorly written he has to use IE. Joe gets used to using IE and starts using it exclusively. Joe decides to build a website, he uses IE... it goes on like that.
 
Man, I have no clue why you are feeding off this sloppy thing. I am very interested in you making the page work in Netscape (keep it the EXACT same as it is in IE).

Look forward to seeing what you come up with,

Mekhu
 
I'm not saying your code is sloppy per se, I'm just saying it's a known fact that IE allows very ill-written code to pass.

Like I said, I don't have time right now. I'll see about later tonight, if not, certainly sometime tomorrow.
 
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