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Most of you are resellers
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I would like to start by stating I am the owner of www.backycorp.com and other affiliated domains. I do use several different services some of which were metioned above as well as others that are not mentioned above.
Earlier this year my company was hit with many clients that were unable to pay there bills credit cards and paypal subscriptions were getting declined and cancelled. I saw what was a profitable business decline to me spending money out of my own pocket to pay for the free clients. And paying clients decline to almost nothing. I refunded each and every client that paid in advance for services when I closed down for a short period to re-organize out of my own pocket. How many people do you know that would refund clients. I could have easily closed up show and told people fall in line. I think thats just a shady way of doing business and I do not conduct business that way.
Yes I am a reseller of hostnine I am working on building this business back up slowly. I also am always into many different projects at once. Being a reseller is not a bad thing, I am not sure why looking at the posts people think that is a bad thing. Have you checked out HostNine's service? If you have not I suggest that you do. My reseller account is not limited to just one server. I have access to each and every server that is in there network allowing me to offer my clients the ability to pick the server location. I am sorry for the mis quote I did. At one point HostNine did have a Hong Kong server and I should have been more up to date. We live and we learn I will make sure to check on such things from time to time so I do not mis-represent myself.
I use several different services and even have a couple of VPS out there but it does not matter what type of account people have its the type of service they get. When I stated in the hosting business back in 2002 I was on a reseller account and I must tell you that reseller account was better than the server I eneded up going to, the data center had so many issues it was not even funny. Just as the saying goes "you cannot judge a book by its cover."
Mike I would like to thank you for those kind words. I have known Mike for a long time and he knows my philosophy on providing a quality service to my clients.
I would like to point out that the person that originally started this thread has not and is currently not a client of Backy Corp. They have never tried my sevice. I would like to offer 6 months free to this person so they can try out my service and see what type of person I am and what type of company I run. Please contact me and we can get that setup if you are interested.
I believe that everyone is entitled to there there free speach and I do appriciate that the member of this forum choose to exercise that right. As the saying goes "I may not agree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it."
If this thread ends up hurts my standing in the web hosting community so be it, but in the end I know I was providing a quality service and insuring that my clients had what they needed to succeed and that is at the end of the day all that matters to me.
Earlier this year my company was hit with many clients that were unable to pay there bills credit cards and paypal subscriptions were getting declined and cancelled. I saw what was a profitable business decline to me spending money out of my own pocket to pay for the free clients. And paying clients decline to almost nothing. I refunded each and every client that paid in advance for services when I closed down for a short period to re-organize out of my own pocket. How many people do you know that would refund clients. I could have easily closed up show and told people fall in line. I think thats just a shady way of doing business and I do not conduct business that way.
Yes I am a reseller of hostnine I am working on building this business back up slowly. I also am always into many different projects at once. Being a reseller is not a bad thing, I am not sure why looking at the posts people think that is a bad thing. Have you checked out HostNine's service? If you have not I suggest that you do. My reseller account is not limited to just one server. I have access to each and every server that is in there network allowing me to offer my clients the ability to pick the server location. I am sorry for the mis quote I did. At one point HostNine did have a Hong Kong server and I should have been more up to date. We live and we learn I will make sure to check on such things from time to time so I do not mis-represent myself.
I use several different services and even have a couple of VPS out there but it does not matter what type of account people have its the type of service they get. When I stated in the hosting business back in 2002 I was on a reseller account and I must tell you that reseller account was better than the server I eneded up going to, the data center had so many issues it was not even funny. Just as the saying goes "you cannot judge a book by its cover."
Mike I would like to thank you for those kind words. I have known Mike for a long time and he knows my philosophy on providing a quality service to my clients.
I would like to point out that the person that originally started this thread has not and is currently not a client of Backy Corp. They have never tried my sevice. I would like to offer 6 months free to this person so they can try out my service and see what type of person I am and what type of company I run. Please contact me and we can get that setup if you are interested.
I believe that everyone is entitled to there there free speach and I do appriciate that the member of this forum choose to exercise that right. As the saying goes "I may not agree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it."
If this thread ends up hurts my standing in the web hosting community so be it, but in the end I know I was providing a quality service and insuring that my clients had what they needed to succeed and that is at the end of the day all that matters to me.
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When I posted my first response, I had only read the first post, and noticed that the OP was referring to my friend William. I didn't notice that the majority of the people who responded were actually disagreeing with the OP.
It's nice to see that most people, those who have experience in hosting, do not think badly of those with a reseller. As I said, in the long run, it usually a lot safer, and much less of a hassle for the host!
To the OP, if you ever try to start a web hosting business, I'd be interested to see if you choose a reseller to start with, or if you go with a dedi or VPS. I will be willing to bet that you choose a reseller :wave:.
No problem William, just stateing facts!
It's nice to see that most people, those who have experience in hosting, do not think badly of those with a reseller. As I said, in the long run, it usually a lot safer, and much less of a hassle for the host!
To the OP, if you ever try to start a web hosting business, I'd be interested to see if you choose a reseller to start with, or if you go with a dedi or VPS. I will be willing to bet that you choose a reseller :wave:.
No problem William, just stateing facts!
I believe that most people are resellers unless they have a datacenter. Even if you have a datacenter, you resell bandwidth.
I have a VPS and Dedicated Server right now. It took a very long time to learn the information that I know on managing a full server. I manage both servers by myself at the moment without no problems although I have almost 200 accounts on both servers. You can't get a VPS and Dedicated Server without management and expect to jump in. It took many servers to mess up to even make it where I am. I did it the hard way by experimenting with servers although not a lot of people have the cash flow to accomplish this task. I run both servers at a loss on the internet but I enjoy what I do as a hobby.:wink2:
I have a VPS and Dedicated Server right now. It took a very long time to learn the information that I know on managing a full server. I manage both servers by myself at the moment without no problems although I have almost 200 accounts on both servers. You can't get a VPS and Dedicated Server without management and expect to jump in. It took many servers to mess up to even make it where I am. I did it the hard way by experimenting with servers although not a lot of people have the cash flow to accomplish this task. I run both servers at a loss on the internet but I enjoy what I do as a hobby.:wink2:
Pfft! Great now I got to find a towel to get the coffee off my monitor! :lol:I only trust those big companies like SoftLayer and ThePlanet.
Oh how I wish I could say what I know about both of those ...
However, since both are my clients for another company I own, I guess I shouldn't!
I personally have well over 30 years professional experience as a unix server administrator, security consultant, and programmer with well over a decade specifically focusing in web hosting and have owned a number of web hosting firms along the way and have seen many rise and fall. And as you said in your statement above, I generally do not think anything bad about resellers just by them being resellers and I actually go out of my way to help new start ups even if they do technically compete with me sometimes.build-a-host said:
Where I think badly about them is those who think they are little gods and don't know crap, refuse any help, and go massively overboard with overselling beyond their limited resources or capability to manage things and then find themselves in a very great deal of trouble. The wiser newbies and the ones who usually are the ones to make it are the ones who accept help and advice from those with more experience and know their own limitations expanding along the way only as they are able.
Now regarding your final statement as to the advice of a new startup for web hosting, I would advise starting with a reseller account as you can generally get support and help from the host above you who can often help if you get yourself in trouble and it is a very good way to begin on a low budget.
The next logical step after reseller account one you get enough users and / or funding to support it is to get a full dedicated server. With that comes a lot more to manage but you can also hire a 3rd party management company to help you such as <<snipped>> until you feel more confident with managing an entire server yourself and then continue to expand from there.
As a network security specialist, I absolutely DO NOT recommend ever using a VPS for providing web hosting services unless you want to get yourself into some very serious trouble because there are extremely dangerous security holes in VPS servers which by their design CANNOT BE CLOSED and most people running VPS based hosts are completely unaware just how dangerous it is running a hosting service off of a VPS account! For a personal account with limited root control, a VPS is generally alright but providing public hosting accounts is a very bad idea!
Nice post toad, I agree completely. I have added + rep for you. :beer:
The Crasher
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ok , its a bit to big to read all of the posts but i readed a few of them
lets start with this small story that can explain a lot of things and is maybe easy to for some "resellers" under us
lets turn the time back a lot of time
before i started with webhosting was i just a freehoster ( a leecher from a freehost)
i got 300mb space and a bit of traffic , nice to train your skills with cpanel and so
after 3 months , i got a lot of friends and wanted to host them and want to earn a bit of cheap money , so i got myself a master reseller of a company i found
seems that it was a realy bad company (cheap but BAD )
1 day up and 2 days down , that all the time ... nice for you and your friend
funny part , 1 month goes great and then you can forget it , and no refund (you pay per year .. there goes your hard earned 40$)
ok , so i desided to move again and founded a other better reseller (after 3 rip offs) , a bit more expensive but a lot better , still some downtime but better (70$)
so , for a reselelr , you never know how trustworry they are , some are cheap and good , others are exensive and are realy bad
then after the resellers , i was tired of it that i coulnd do a thing , that i dont have root acces and stuff , so i desided to move to a vps
i learned to work with whm on the reseller because it is easy to learn there (exept that you are limited on the stuff you can do , but perfect for a basic of it )
after the vps , i learned to work complete with whm , setting up settups , working with ssh , installing and configuring firewalls , setting up your hardly security setting and so on
now , the vps is still in use (because paid for a year) and it still give trouble , but a bit less then a reseller but depending on company ofcourse
3 months it was going great , then it went down for a couple of times and then it goes great again , so up and down :S
because the downtime always tooks more then 2 days , so i desided to move to dedicated servers , tired of everything that goes down and so
now the problem , i know 2 company's that are doing fraude , you do a small order and it goes fine , you want to grow and do a big order and bang... game over ( ordered a server for a lot of money and i still dont have my server for about 6 months now .... check directclanhosting fraude and you know enouf )
so i looked again for other company's that could give me colo/dedi servers
i founded a great 1 and now i got about 3 differend servers
it is useless to go to colo if the price of a dedicated server is cheaper and easyer
specialy when you can make nice deals with your providers and that you can trust them
so to make a point
you need to start somewhere, and if you grow then you need to be carefully
because no1 can be trust and you need to do everything on your own if you want it great
els , do like life and take some risks
@toad
to answer your last thing you says
that a vps isnt secure
it is not completly true , depending on system you use to create vps systems
and how the system works
and it is still up to the buyer to protect the vps , its only to the server owner to protect the root
Thank you
Greets from The Crasher
lets start with this small story that can explain a lot of things and is maybe easy to for some "resellers" under us
lets turn the time back a lot of time
before i started with webhosting was i just a freehoster ( a leecher from a freehost)
i got 300mb space and a bit of traffic , nice to train your skills with cpanel and so
after 3 months , i got a lot of friends and wanted to host them and want to earn a bit of cheap money , so i got myself a master reseller of a company i found
seems that it was a realy bad company (cheap but BAD )
1 day up and 2 days down , that all the time ... nice for you and your friend
funny part , 1 month goes great and then you can forget it , and no refund (you pay per year .. there goes your hard earned 40$)
ok , so i desided to move again and founded a other better reseller (after 3 rip offs) , a bit more expensive but a lot better , still some downtime but better (70$)
so , for a reselelr , you never know how trustworry they are , some are cheap and good , others are exensive and are realy bad
then after the resellers , i was tired of it that i coulnd do a thing , that i dont have root acces and stuff , so i desided to move to a vps
i learned to work with whm on the reseller because it is easy to learn there (exept that you are limited on the stuff you can do , but perfect for a basic of it )
after the vps , i learned to work complete with whm , setting up settups , working with ssh , installing and configuring firewalls , setting up your hardly security setting and so on
now , the vps is still in use (because paid for a year) and it still give trouble , but a bit less then a reseller but depending on company ofcourse
3 months it was going great , then it went down for a couple of times and then it goes great again , so up and down :S
because the downtime always tooks more then 2 days , so i desided to move to dedicated servers , tired of everything that goes down and so
now the problem , i know 2 company's that are doing fraude , you do a small order and it goes fine , you want to grow and do a big order and bang... game over ( ordered a server for a lot of money and i still dont have my server for about 6 months now .... check directclanhosting fraude and you know enouf )
so i looked again for other company's that could give me colo/dedi servers
i founded a great 1 and now i got about 3 differend servers
it is useless to go to colo if the price of a dedicated server is cheaper and easyer
specialy when you can make nice deals with your providers and that you can trust them
so to make a point
you need to start somewhere, and if you grow then you need to be carefully
because no1 can be trust and you need to do everything on your own if you want it great
els , do like life and take some risks
@toad
to answer your last thing you says
that a vps isnt secure
it is not completly true , depending on system you use to create vps systems
and how the system works
and it is still up to the buyer to protect the vps , its only to the server owner to protect the root
Thank you
Greets from The Crasher
Apparently you don't really understand what I was talking about in my previous post. Your reply also makes it abundantly clear that you missed the point completely given that you are talking about the server owner "protecting root" which has absolutely nothing to do with anything that I was discussing regarding VPS servers! I am actually talking about a major vulnerability of VPS servers that exists because of the manor in which VPS technology is implemented to be able to work on current PC processors.
VPS technology has a couple of very serious inherent technical flaws that opens up several very serious security vulnerabilities and there is no way to close those security holes any any Intel based (or compatible) processor. It does not matter what the VPS account holder does or even what the server owner does to try to "protect root" as you put it!
As I told you in the previous post and again in this one, there is no way to close the security holes opened up using VPS accounts at least not via software which should give you a very big clue in and of itself.
Those who know what I am actually talking about probably don't use VPS servers anyway and those who don't know probably shouldn't else it might lead to a lot of server hacking out in the wild and we're actually fairly lucky such incidents have only been in isolated groups thus far over the years yet the primary problem still remains.
Bottom line is though that I don't recommend VPS servers. For anyone that can't go with a full dedicated server then my recommendation would be to fall back to a shared hosting environment but avoid VPS servers at least if you have any concern for any real security.
EDIT: PS ... Yes, I have hacked many test servers on different VPS platforms using the same exploit
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I have sent you a private message with more of the specific details
The Crasher
New Member
if you like , can you send it to me to ??
because i am realy wondering over what it goes then :S
so far i know is only hypervm with a realy big bug , and i know that some vps softwarez like openvz arent that stable because some bugs as the way they work (shared)
but for the rest i dont know over what kind of expload it goes :S
i never heard of it before and i coulnd find anything on the net over it exept here :s
Thank you
Greets From The Crasher
because i am realy wondering over what it goes then :S
so far i know is only hypervm with a realy big bug , and i know that some vps softwarez like openvz arent that stable because some bugs as the way they work (shared)
but for the rest i dont know over what kind of expload it goes :S
i never heard of it before and i coulnd find anything on the net over it exept here :s
Thank you
Greets From The Crasher
I hope I'm not included in those being mentioned. I'm not some simple reseller, And I've been around for well over a year.
Just because a few kids start hosts up during the summer, or hosts die after a year, don't assume they are on resellers. Besides, I started on a reseller, there is nothing wrong with that. Why should I spend $30+ a month when I have no clients?
Everyone is different. I know I'm not a dedicated web-host. I don't offer web-hosting as my target market. We are more of a technology company offering repairs, installations, and security. I had wanted to be a web-hosting company from the start, but found that market to be crowded.
I have many tips on how to start a company. I went through a lot to be registered as an LLC. Though, not everyone has to register as an LLC. I do recommend at least registering a business as a DBA.
If you want more tips, let me know.
And I've been around for well over a year.Just because a few kids start hosts up during the summer, or hosts die after a year, don't assume they are on resellers. Besides, I started on a reseller, there is nothing wrong with that. Why should I spend $30+ a month when I have no clients?
Everyone is different. I know I'm not a dedicated web-host. I don't offer web-hosting as my target market. We are more of a technology company offering repairs, installations, and security. I had wanted to be a web-hosting company from the start, but found that market to be crowded.
I have many tips on how to start a company. I went through a lot to be registered as an LLC. Though, not everyone has to register as an LLC. I do recommend at least registering a business as a DBA.
If you want more tips, let me know.
^ toad was just AMZ lol, dont listen to what he says hes just full of crap, he probably PM'ed you all about something to do with intel leaking info in to other vps's?
or some bull crap along the lines, hes always done this and hes always had over 30 years experience, but sometimes hes only had 20, it depends how he feels on the day. search AMZ for more info.
or some bull crap along the lines, hes always done this and hes always had over 30 years experience, but sometimes hes only had 20, it depends how he feels on the day. search AMZ for more info.
Hello,William and others
I did not mean to attack you when I posted this post. If some of my words hurt you at some point, I am sorry.
I posted this post with the title "Most of you are resellers" instead of "resellers are bad guys like someone". And there is none bad judgement on the resellers from big companies(except "byet" ones).
William, Toad and Mike, I believe that you guys got much more experience than me. If I start a web hosting business, I would hear some advice and suggestions from you guys.
And William, thank you for your offer. I'd contact you when I need a reliable host provider.
I have some hosting experience now, and find out that it's not easy to survive as small hosting providers. Even you spent all you time on your clients and some clients still not satisfied with your service. And if you are earning enough to support real life from hosting service, you are a lucky guy!
Good luck, everyone.
I did not mean to attack you when I posted this post. If some of my words hurt you at some point, I am sorry.
I posted this post with the title "Most of you are resellers" instead of "resellers are bad guys like someone". And there is none bad judgement on the resellers from big companies(except "byet" ones).
William, Toad and Mike, I believe that you guys got much more experience than me. If I start a web hosting business, I would hear some advice and suggestions from you guys.
And William, thank you for your offer. I'd contact you when I need a reliable host provider.
I have some hosting experience now, and find out that it's not easy to survive as small hosting providers. Even you spent all you time on your clients and some clients still not satisfied with your service. And if you are earning enough to support real life from hosting service, you are a lucky guy!
Good luck, everyone.
bariteau
New Member
You won't get any advice from toad as he is b& (banned) but here's one of my own:
Go local, most local small businesses don't have websites and don't know how much it can improve their business. Offer them a complete solution (hosting, web design and computer support). These are the ones that pay great. For myself, I charge a monthly fee for hosting + support and it's the best money maker I found.
Go local, most local small businesses don't have websites and don't know how much it can improve their business. Offer them a complete solution (hosting, web design and computer support). These are the ones that pay great. For myself, I charge a monthly fee for hosting + support and it's the best money maker I found.
