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Worst browsers?
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KapTinKiRk
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i agree, i installed it and found out there is no menu at the top... and i couldn't get rid of the huge sidebar... damn Microsoft to hell. Right now I use IE 5.5 and Netscape 6 PR3.... Netscape crashes too much, but it has potential.
I haven't used many other browsers apart from the big 2. I've meddled with Opera and I like its speed, thats about it.
I haven't used many other browsers apart from the big 2. I've meddled with Opera and I like its speed, thats about it.
I use IE 5.5... which I like pretty well... it allows you to do more then Netscape.. I do agree though, Netscape does error a lot... but there's something very homey about it.
I used to have Netscape until my computer almost crashed, and I had to cut down on things; I was firmly advised to get rid of Netscape.. v_v
I had NeoPlanet for a while (not knowing it was an internet browser... haha) But it kinda stunk @_@ Besides..., people are used to netscape, and exspecially IE... so you should work with them so people view your page right ^_^
What irks me half to death is that people use different resolution... so it's so hard to know what to resolution to make your page so people view it right! Ah! @_@
Ah oh well, I can just blabber on!!! v_v
~CW
I used to have Netscape until my computer almost crashed, and I had to cut down on things; I was firmly advised to get rid of Netscape.. v_v
I had NeoPlanet for a while (not knowing it was an internet browser... haha) But it kinda stunk @_@ Besides..., people are used to netscape, and exspecially IE... so you should work with them so people view your page right ^_^
What irks me half to death is that people use different resolution... so it's so hard to know what to resolution to make your page so people view it right! Ah! @_@
Ah oh well, I can just blabber on!!! v_v
~CW
I use both IE5 and netscape 4.7 parallel
My experience is that you do as s*hitty HTML code as you like and IE doesn't care...it somehow autocorrects things...It does not care if there is ending TABLE-tag missing or links are written like:
http://mysite.com\folder\mypage.html
Netscape forces people to write the HTML properly - which is GOOD!
It is just with every MS product - they think user is dummy and they try to make the life "easier" *phew*
NS looks often better though as I said it requires a bit work to do everything right...
IE is a bit more reliable but it mixes cookies and messes things when using it. But I like some features they have (links changes color on mouse over and so on)
Haven't tried Opera, but downloaded it - It is even more strict with HTML-code than NS. I was going to use it as "validator" which means that probebly if I get everything looking good in Opera it mostly will look good in NS and IE too (note, this is justa theory, haven't tried it yet!)
My experience is that you do as s*hitty HTML code as you like and IE doesn't care...it somehow autocorrects things...It does not care if there is ending TABLE-tag missing or links are written like:
http://mysite.com\folder\mypage.html
Netscape forces people to write the HTML properly - which is GOOD!
It is just with every MS product - they think user is dummy and they try to make the life "easier" *phew*
NS looks often better though as I said it requires a bit work to do everything right...
IE is a bit more reliable but it mixes cookies and messes things when using it. But I like some features they have (links changes color on mouse over and so on)
Haven't tried Opera, but downloaded it - It is even more strict with HTML-code than NS. I was going to use it as "validator" which means that probebly if I get everything looking good in Opera it mostly will look good in NS and IE too (note, this is justa theory, haven't tried it yet!)
My HTML coding is correct... The probs I have with NS seem to be with tables. Most of my sites require the tables to be a certain size for it all to look good and for some reason things size different in NS... If you have both browsers, take a look at http://www.alexiacafe.com in both and you'll see. It looks great in IE, but seems to be out of whack in NS. I don't know about Opera... I don't have it, but if someone does and would like to let me know how it looks, it would be appreciated. 
I just looked..
I just looked in Opera at http://www.alexiacafe.com and it looks exactly the same to me, I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference if I hadn't have known..
Oh yeah..worst browser, it depends, I hate IE for many reasons, I also hate Netscape for many reasons. All I can say is GO OPERA!
I just looked in Opera at http://www.alexiacafe.com and it looks exactly the same to me, I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference if I hadn't have known..
Oh yeah..worst browser, it depends, I hate IE for many reasons, I also hate Netscape for many reasons. All I can say is GO OPERA!
NC_TOM
I can get u banned.
Originally posted by Mandrake
My HTML coding is correct... The probs I have with NS seem to be with tables. Most of my sites require the tables to be a certain size for it all to look good and for some reason things size different in NS... If you have both browsers, take a look at http://www.alexiacafe.com in both and you'll see. It looks great in IE, but seems to be out of whack in NS. I don't know about Opera... I don't have it, but if someone does and would like to let me know how it looks, it would be appreciated.
I have the same problem all the time. That's the only reason that I have Nutscrape on my computer anyway. You need to be really careful with your tables, and use less table tags. To see an example, check out http://www.netcabins.com/newdesign/oldindex.html in IE but then compare it to how it looks in NS. I have fixed this so it looks fine in both browsers, at http://www.netcabins.com/newdesign/newindex.html . You can take a look at my coding for reference as it might help you out.
Tom
NC_TOM
I can get u banned.
An old, old opinion of mine
Here's a strong, old opinion of mine. All browsers suck. Browsers should load all pages perfectly (which IE does), they should NEVER/very rarely crash (which IE mostly holds up to), they should be fast (which I guess Opera does), and they should ACTUALLY MAKE SOME SENSE. I really like IE but Netscape has a few things that IE should have but doesn't. Little things. Favorites should be called Bookmarks; favorites is a stupid name for that and Bookmarks is cool. IE should have a built-in file viewer or should be able to use a file viewer of your choice.. not just Notepad. If someone could hack all 3 of the browsers and take the best features of them and put them together, we would have a nice browser. Really, anyone who wants to make a whole new browser will get a look from me. I really hate all browsers except IE and that one isn't too amazing either.
Another thing, browsers should automatically adjust the view of web sites, so that no matter what resolution your screen is in, the page is viewed in 640*480 or 800*600 resolution size. That way pages would look good for ALL users and people wouldn't have to use percentages, etc. in their coding just to make their design look slightly better than terrible for most of the other Internet users.
[Edited by NC_TOM on 11-08-2000 at 04:26 PM]
Here's a strong, old opinion of mine. All browsers suck. Browsers should load all pages perfectly (which IE does), they should NEVER/very rarely crash (which IE mostly holds up to), they should be fast (which I guess Opera does), and they should ACTUALLY MAKE SOME SENSE. I really like IE but Netscape has a few things that IE should have but doesn't. Little things. Favorites should be called Bookmarks; favorites is a stupid name for that and Bookmarks is cool. IE should have a built-in file viewer or should be able to use a file viewer of your choice.. not just Notepad. If someone could hack all 3 of the browsers and take the best features of them and put them together, we would have a nice browser. Really, anyone who wants to make a whole new browser will get a look from me. I really hate all browsers except IE and that one isn't too amazing either.
Another thing, browsers should automatically adjust the view of web sites, so that no matter what resolution your screen is in, the page is viewed in 640*480 or 800*600 resolution size. That way pages would look good for ALL users and people wouldn't have to use percentages, etc. in their coding just to make their design look slightly better than terrible for most of the other Internet users.
[Edited by NC_TOM on 11-08-2000 at 04:26 PM]
The biggest problem I have with Netscape is that is misinterperets a lot of HTML and still fails as of the latest 4.X release to support basic HTML standards that have been in use for several years now (such as the IFRAME tag). Basically, it seems like Netscape stopped all real development 2-3 years ago and has since been working on commercializing the product and adding more useless programs to the default install.
Also, I hate to say it, but the Netscape 6 preview looks like crap. Even a friend of mine who is a die-hard Netscape fan said if the final Netscape 6 looks like that, he might have to switch to IE.
It really would be better for the web if everyone used one browser. There would be no need to worry about designing pages to work in a number of browsers, nor would there be a worry of visiting a site that was optimized for a browser other than the one you're using and having it look awful or be completely unusable.
Also, I hate to say it, but the Netscape 6 preview looks like crap. Even a friend of mine who is a die-hard Netscape fan said if the final Netscape 6 looks like that, he might have to switch to IE.
It really would be better for the web if everyone used one browser. There would be no need to worry about designing pages to work in a number of browsers, nor would there be a worry of visiting a site that was optimized for a browser other than the one you're using and having it look awful or be completely unusable.
KapTinKiRk
New Member
I blame it on AOL buying out Netscape... and I also blame the downfall of ICQ on AOL too.
Checked alexiacafe with both browsers and...
...well, it looks better with IE - have to admit, but to make it look good in NS too, you have to define the width of cell for each cell. Try with these attributes:
(this was copied below your applet-ticker)
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=33%>
<FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif" SIZE="1">
<B>GRAND OPENING!</B><BR>We're happy to an
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=17%>
<A HREF="http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/p
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=50%>
<FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif" SIZE="1">
<B>FROM THE WEBMASTER!</B><BR>First off
To make everything look good in NS you have to use strict HTLM which means not to forget to defive every single attribute, tedious, but you get clean code.
Hope this helps
(your page is slow like a hell... too much third-party content!!)
Originally posted by Mandrake
My HTML coding is correct... The probs I have with NS seem to be with tables. Most of my sites require the tables to be a certain size for it all to look good and for some reason things size different in NS... If you have both browsers, take a look at http://www.alexiacafe.com in both and you'll see. It looks great in IE, but seems to be out of whack in NS. I don't know about Opera... I don't have it, but if someone does and would like to let me know how it looks, it would be appreciated.
...well, it looks better with IE - have to admit, but to make it look good in NS too, you have to define the width of cell for each cell. Try with these attributes:
(this was copied below your applet-ticker)
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=33%>
<FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif" SIZE="1">
<B>GRAND OPENING!</B><BR>We're happy to an
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=17%>
<A HREF="http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/p
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=50%>
<FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif" SIZE="1">
<B>FROM THE WEBMASTER!</B><BR>First off
To make everything look good in NS you have to use strict HTLM which means not to forget to defive every single attribute, tedious, but you get clean code.
Hope this helps
(your page is slow like a hell... too much third-party content!!)
Re: I just looked..
Thanks for checking... I used to have Opera on my system, but it was a beta, I believe, and it expired. Wasn't too bad from what I recall though.
Has anyone here ever used one called TOBE (The Other Browser/E-mail)? I tried it once and it showed promise, but needed further development. Never have gone back to see if a newer version has been released.
Originally posted by chococat
I just looked in Opera at http://www.alexiacafe.com and it looks exactly the same to me, I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference if I hadn't have known..
Oh yeah..worst browser, it depends, I hate IE for many reasons, I also hate Netscape for many reasons. All I can say is GO OPERA!
Thanks for checking... I used to have Opera on my system, but it was a beta, I believe, and it expired. Wasn't too bad from what I recall though.
Has anyone here ever used one called TOBE (The Other Browser/E-mail)? I tried it once and it showed promise, but needed further development. Never have gone back to see if a newer version has been released.
Re: Checked alexiacafe with both browsers and...
It helped it quite a bit.. THanks. I had figured I probably should define something in there, but like everyone says; with IE, you can be lazy and it still works. Simply defining one cell size and then having an image define another worked. With NS, it did not.
Interesting... About two weeks ago, I had someone comment that they thought my site was pretty fast for all the 3/p that I have there. I have noticed some slow times to it lately... I think it's the stock ticker that's holding it up. Never had any slowness before that.
Originally posted by kyber
Originally posted by Mandrake
My HTML coding is correct... The probs I have with NS seem to be with tables. Most of my sites require the tables to be a certain size for it all to look good and for some reason things size different in NS... If you have both browsers, take a look at http://www.alexiacafe.com in both and you'll see. It looks great in IE, but seems to be out of whack in NS. I don't know about Opera... I don't have it, but if someone does and would like to let me know how it looks, it would be appreciated.
...well, it looks better with IE - have to admit, but to make it look good in NS too, you have to define the width of cell for each cell. Try with these attributes:
(this was copied below your applet-ticker)
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=33%>
<FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif" SIZE="1">
<B>GRAND OPENING!</B><BR>We're happy to an
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=17%>
<A HREF="http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/p
<TD ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP WIDTH=50%>
<FONT FACE="MS Sans Serif" SIZE="1">
<B>FROM THE WEBMASTER!</B><BR>First off
To make everything look good in NS you have to use strict HTLM which means not to forget to defive every single attribute, tedious, but you get clean code.
Hope this helps
It helped it quite a bit.. THanks. I had figured I probably should define something in there, but like everyone says; with IE, you can be lazy and it still works. Simply defining one cell size and then having an image define another worked. With NS, it did not.
Interesting... About two weeks ago, I had someone comment that they thought my site was pretty fast for all the 3/p that I have there. I have noticed some slow times to it lately... I think it's the stock ticker that's holding it up. Never had any slowness before that.
Re: Re: Checked alexiacafe with both browsers and...
It could have been my connection too - never know
I noticed that orbit cycle -banners were *very* slow...
and perhaps that applet too ...
cheers,
kyber
Interesting... About two weeks ago, I had someone comment that they thought my site was pretty fast for all the 3/p that I have there. I have noticed some slow times to it lately... I think it's the stock ticker that's holding it up. Never had any slowness before that.
It could have been my connection too - never know
I noticed that orbit cycle -banners were *very* slow...
and perhaps that applet too ...
cheers,
kyber
Re: Re: Re: Checked alexiacafe with both browsers and...
Yeah... I think it was around the time that I added OrbitCycle that it seemed slower to me at times... I was testing them out for the future when I start selling ad space on some of my sites... Right now they're running banners for some of the free services I use. I may check out some other similar services to see if there's any speed increase.
Originally posted by kyber
Interesting... About two weeks ago, I had someone comment that they thought my site was pretty fast for all the 3/p that I have there. I have noticed some slow times to it lately... I think it's the stock ticker that's holding it up. Never had any slowness before that.
It could have been my connection too - never know
I noticed that orbit cycle -banners were *very* slow...
and perhaps that applet too ...
cheers,
kyber
Yeah... I think it was around the time that I added OrbitCycle that it seemed slower to me at times... I was testing them out for the future when I start selling ad space on some of my sites... Right now they're running banners for some of the free services I use. I may check out some other similar services to see if there's any speed increase.
